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#1 Shanks2424

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 08:41 PM

My son Gavin is 8 turning 9 in February. I wanted to get him some lessons from a good teacher. We live in Bethalto Illinois. I am 45 miles north of St Louis Missouri. I feel like getting him some lessons from a pro that works with juniors would be better then me. When it comes to the golf swing I feel like I know enough to help him but I am dad. He tends not to listen to me and figured someone that's not dad would be a better fit.


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#2 jj9000

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 08:24 AM

View PostShanks2424, on 04 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

He tends not to listen to me and figured someone that's not dad would be a better fit.

Welcome to the club.

Regardless of how much you know...and how little a 3rd party may know...father doesn't know jack in their eyes.

Drives me crazy.

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#3 heavy_hitter

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 11:14 AM

View Postjj9000, on 05 December 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View PostShanks2424, on 04 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

He tends not to listen to me and figured someone that's not dad would be a better fit.

Welcome to the club.

Regardless of how much you know...and how little a 3rd party may know...father doesn't know jack in their eyes.

Drives me crazy.

Truth.  Tired of paying for the same thing his coach will tell him.

Edited by heavy_hitter, 06 December 2018 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 02:10 PM

Just a thought that I read somewhere ... often times constructive “advice” or coaching from a parent is construed by a child as a criticism, even when not intended that way.  So the child goes into defense mode...which can include the idea that said parent doesn’t know anything :).  I think that is at least part of the reason why a third party instructor is a good idea. Then mom/dad can be spectators and supporters.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 02:28 PM

this is highly dependent on culture

young American children do not have the same honor and respect for parents that other countries' kids do


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 02:34 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 05 December 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

this is highly dependent on culture

young American children do not have the same honor and respect for parents that other countries' kids do

I like broad brush-stroke generalizations.

Watch this...young American children have more honor and respect for parents that other countries' kids do.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 02:36 PM

I think culture may dictate how the child shows their response, but I don't think it changes the fact that children often tend to process coaching from a parent as a criticism.  That's the point.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 03:20 PM

View Postjj9000, on 05 December 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 05 December 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

this is highly dependent on culture

young American children do not have the same honor and respect for parents that other countries' kids do

I like broad brush-stroke generalizations.

Watch this...young American children have more honor and respect for parents that other countries' kids do.

I'm glad you like it

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 03:29 PM

I don't think anyone has answered OP's question.

Mr. 2424 - I would recommend looking at your local courses for instructors that are working with other juniors.  Part of making this a success is ease of access.  If you have to travel or if getting to the course is more of an inconvenience than it needs to be then you are less likely to follow through with it.  You can find a lot of good junior instruction just by looking at Instagram... junior coaches typically love posting that stuff online.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 03:40 PM

View Postwlm, on 05 December 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

Just a thought that I read somewhere ... often times constructive “advice” or coaching from a parent is construed by a child as a criticism, even when not intended that way. So the child goes into defense mode...which can include the idea that said parent doesn’t know anything :). I think that is at least part of the reason why a third party instructor is a good idea. Then mom/dad can be spectators and supporters.


Yeah, have found this out through experience, and some reading. My daughter doesn't want me to judge her stroke, or provide commentary on the outcome. She wants me to be there, to have fun and to provide support.


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 03:43 PM

View Postjj9000, on 05 December 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View PostShanks2424, on 04 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

He tends not to listen to me and figured someone that's not dad would be a better fit.

Welcome to the club.

Regardless of how much you know...and how little a 3rd party may know...father doesn't know jack in their eyes.

Drives me crazy.
That is so the truth

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 03:45 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 05 December 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

this is highly dependent on culture young American children do not have the same honor and respect for parents that other countries' kids do

Alternate view: Parent's determination of what is best for their kids is often not really what is best for the child. Let's be honest, very few of us have taken any courses or studied research on how to parent. We mostly 1) figure it out as we go and 2) base our parenting on either a blind adherence to what our parents did, or a knee-jerk reaction to absolutely NEVER do what they did.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 04:23 PM

View Postleezer99, on 05 December 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

I don't think anyone has answered OP's question.

Mr. 2424 - I would recommend looking at your local courses for instructors that are working with other juniors.  Part of making this a success is ease of access.  If you have to travel or if getting to the course is more of an inconvenience than it needs to be then you are less likely to follow through with it.  You can find a lot of good junior instruction just by looking at Instagram... junior coaches typically love posting that stuff online.
I was asking for suggestions he had a coach  that he did a group lessons with but he moved to Kansas City and he realy helped Gavin but I am looking for local I dont care about driving 45 mins for a lesson. Our home course was StoneWolf Golf Course in Fairview Heights Illinois and thats 35 mins away. I can look up pros in my area but what i was asking was other parents suggestions in my area thats all

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 05:22 PM

View PostShanks2424, on 05 December 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 05 December 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

I don't think anyone has answered OP's question.

Mr. 2424 - I would recommend looking at your local courses for instructors that are working with other juniors.  Part of making this a success is ease of access.  If you have to travel or if getting to the course is more of an inconvenience than it needs to be then you are less likely to follow through with it.  You can find a lot of good junior instruction just by looking at Instagram... junior coaches typically love posting that stuff online.
I was asking for suggestions he had a coach  that he did a group lessons with but he moved to Kansas City and he realy helped Gavin but I am looking for local I dont care about driving 45 mins for a lesson. Our home course was StoneWolf Golf Course in Fairview Heights Illinois and thats 35 mins away. I can look up pros in my area but what i was asking was other parents suggestions in my area thats all

Do you play US Kids Local tournaments? Contact your tour director as they may have some suggestions.

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#15 Shanks2424

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 05:27 PM

View Postwildcatden, on 05 December 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

View PostShanks2424, on 05 December 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 05 December 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

I don't think anyone has answered OP's question.

Mr. 2424 - I would recommend looking at your local courses for instructors that are working with other juniors.  Part of making this a success is ease of access.  If you have to travel or if getting to the course is more of an inconvenience than it needs to be then you are less likely to follow through with it.  You can find a lot of good junior instruction just by looking at Instagram... junior coaches typically love posting that stuff online.
I was asking for suggestions he had a coach  that he did a group lessons with but he moved to Kansas City and he realy helped Gavin but I am looking for local I dont care about driving 45 mins for a lesson. Our home course was StoneWolf Golf Course in Fairview Heights Illinois and thats 35 mins away. I can look up pros in my area but what i was asking was other parents suggestions in my area thats all

Do you play US Kids Local tournaments? Contact your tour director as they may have some suggestions.
We have not yet we were thinking about trying it out this year.


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 05:32 PM

he's only turning 9, and this isn't even until February?

please sir, take a pass on formal "lessons". he'll be burnt out by all of you before he even gets to 12,13,14 (when lessons should begin).

edit: current instruction should be as complicated as "go ahead and grip it an rip it buddy".

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 05:42 PM

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 05 December 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

he's only turning 9, and this isn't even until February?

please sir, take a pass on formal "lessons". he'll be burnt out by all of you before he even gets to 12,13,14 (when lessons should begin).

edit: current instruction should be as complicated as "go ahead and grip it an rip it buddy".

this

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 06:51 PM

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 05 December 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

he's only turning 9, and this isn't even until February?

please sir, take a pass on formal "lessons". he'll be burnt out by all of you before he even gets to 12,13,14 (when lessons should begin).

edit: current instruction should be as complicated as "go ahead and grip it an rip it buddy".

For one he has had lessons at our home golf course and he enjoyed it. I took lesson when I was his age and I am 34 and I have not lost my love for the game I am not pushing my son to play he pushes me to play more. I played more golf last year then I have in the last 5 years because of my son. I have not been able to play because of my job. But now that I have better hours and dont work on the weekend he is the one that makes me want to play on the weekends instead of just going to the range. He was the one that asked me to sign him up for drive chip and putt. He is the one that is always watching golf on youtube and I catch him putting in his room by himself. The reason for getting him lessons is he listens better to other people about sports then he dose dad.  After drive chip and putt this year he asked his Grandfather my dad who taught me the game to help him with his driver. My dad cant always help him with his game because of my dads job and his bad back. So please refrain from telling me what to do or not to do I started this topic to find out what suggestions into what PGA Teaching pros in the St Louis area are suggested.

Edited by Shanks2424, 05 December 2018 - 07:00 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 07:49 PM

View Postjj9000, on 05 December 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View PostShanks2424, on 04 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

He tends not to listen to me and figured someone that's not dad would be a better fit.

Welcome to the club.

Regardless of how much you know...and how little a 3rd party may know...father doesn't know jack in their eyes.

Drives me crazy.

My son’s coach is great. He actually incorporates the father-son dynamic into the lessons. He “coaches” me on what to say—in front of my child, and gets my son to agree to the advice that’s being given to ME. Then, when we are away from the coach and I talk, it’s only the things his coach has said.  It’s still not 100% successful but it’s much better than if I did it on my own

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 08:09 PM

View PostPinewood Golfer, on 05 December 2018 - 07:49 PM, said:

View Postjj9000, on 05 December 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View PostShanks2424, on 04 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

He tends not to listen to me and figured someone that's not dad would be a better fit.

Welcome to the club.

Regardless of how much you know...and how little a 3rd party may know...father doesn't know jack in their eyes.

Drives me crazy.

My son's coach is great. He actually incorporates the father-son dynamic into the lessons. He "coaches" me on what to say—in front of my child, and gets my son to agree to the advice that's being given to ME. Then, when we are away from the coach and I talk, it's only the things his coach has said.  It's still not 100% successful but it's much better than if I did it on my own

My son's coach likes to embarrass me with chipping challenges.


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#21 BertGA

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 08:45 PM

 leezer99, on 05 December 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

 Pinewood Golfer, on 05 December 2018 - 07:49 PM, said:

 jj9000, on 05 December 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

 Shanks2424, on 04 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

He tends not to listen to me and figured someone that's not dad would be a better fit.

Welcome to the club.

Regardless of how much you know...and how little a 3rd party may know...father doesn't know jack in their eyes.

Drives me crazy.

My son's coach is great. He actually incorporates the father-son dynamic into the lessons. He "coaches" me on what to say—in front of my child, and gets my son to agree to the advice that's being given to ME. Then, when we are away from the coach and I talk, it's only the things his coach has said.  It's still not 100% successful but it's much better than if I did it on my own

My son's coach likes to embarrass me with chipping challenges.

I think you need to dedicate a couple months to that and stop getting embarrassed!

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 09:13 PM

Shanks2424-  It sounds like your son is very passionate about the game and thirsty for more...which is what we all want in the end.  It sounds like trying some more formal instruction is a great next step.  Gotta feed the fire ... or at least keep it stoked! Ime at a similar stage with my 8 year old.   If his life has good balance, you are not going to burn him out.  Best of luck in your search for the right teacher!

Edited by hangontight, 05 December 2018 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 09:25 PM

 BertGA, on 05 December 2018 - 08:45 PM, said:

 leezer99, on 05 December 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

 Pinewood Golfer, on 05 December 2018 - 07:49 PM, said:

 jj9000, on 05 December 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

 Shanks2424, on 04 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

He tends not to listen to me and figured someone that's not dad would be a better fit.

Welcome to the club.

Regardless of how much you know...and how little a 3rd party may know...father doesn't know jack in their eyes.

Drives me crazy.

My son's coach is great. He actually incorporates the father-son dynamic into the lessons. He "coaches" me on what to say—in front of my child, and gets my son to agree to the advice that's being given to ME. Then, when we are away from the coach and I talk, it's only the things his coach has said.  It's still not 100% successful but it's much better than if I did it on my own

My son's coach likes to embarrass me with chipping challenges.

I think you need to dedicate a couple months to that and stop getting embarrassed!

It's really bad... could be a year long project.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 09:45 PM

 hangontight, on 05 December 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

Shanks2424-  It sounds like your son is very passionate about the game and thirsty for more...which is what we all want in the end.  It sounds like trying some more formal instruction is a great next step.  Gotta feed the fire ... or at least keep it stoked! Ime at a similar stage with my 8 year old.   If his life has good balance, you are not going to burn him out.  Best of luck in your search for the right teacher!

Hangontight you hit the nail on the head my son is very passionate about golf. This all started a year and half ago when he asked for a set of golf clubs. I found a set for a good price. And he fell in love with the game. His mom asked him if he wanted to play baseball again this year and he said nope I want to play golf. She asked his this same question many times over a 2 week period and his answer never changed. I was the same way when my dad bought me my very frist set of clubs. Adams St driver-5 wood and a set of Ram FX Oversize irons 3-pw with ram wedges and a ram anser style putter. I was hooked from then on.

Edited by Shanks2424, 05 December 2018 - 09:51 PM.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 12:18 AM

My son is now 13 and by the age of 9, I had taken him as far as I could and so we started with private lessons on and off.  While you have to keep it fun for the kid, part of what keeps a kid's interest and motivates - and most importantly, makes it fun, is continued improvement.  By finding the right instruction, our son kept improving and his love of golf grew deeper and faster the more he kept improving.  Particularly if a kid has some aptitude for the golf swing, I think early instruction can be helpful in setting the kid on the right course.  I am not talking about lots of detail and over coaching or taking the fun out of it, but rather starting with the fundamentals of good grip, good set up, etc. - things that the kid can build on with practice and over time.  When we found my son's current coach a few years ago (after hit and miss with a couple of others), it was clear that he had a "multi-year" plan and knew how to sequence the instruction, which is so critical, and equally as important he seemed to know how to explain things and build a base of knowledge through the sequencing such that over time my son, even at 13, "knows" the ins and outs of a good swing, what to look for and feel in the swing and how to correct his own swing when he is having problems on a given day.  I didn't know it at the time, other than this coach seemed to be very good, but these aspects have been key to my son's progress and ones which if I knew then what I know now, I would have asked prospective coaches about.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 12:31 AM

 Shanks2424, on 05 December 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

 hangontight, on 05 December 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

Shanks2424-  It sounds like your son is very passionate about the game and thirsty for more...which is what we all want in the end.  It sounds like trying some more formal instruction is a great next step.  Gotta feed the fire ... or at least keep it stoked! Ime at a similar stage with my 8 year old.   If his life has good balance, you are not going to burn him out.  Best of luck in your search for the right teacher!

Hangontight you hit the nail on the head my son is very passionate about golf. This all started a year and half ago when he asked for a set of golf clubs. I found a set for a good price. And he fell in love with the game. His mom asked him if he wanted to play baseball again this year and he said nope I want to play golf. She asked his this same question many times over a 2 week period and his answer never changed. I was the same way when my dad bought me my very frist set of clubs. Adams St driver-5 wood and a set of Ram FX Oversize irons 3-pw with ram wedges and a ram anser style putter. I was hooked from then on.

This is terrific and a great sign for the future.  Because golf takes so much practice and dedication to learning, fostering this early passion can cause it to really blossom....and it is wonderful when the kid gets there on their own.  My son went through something similar, though a bit older older, when he told us that as much as he liked baseball, it took too much time away from golf to continue - also told us the same about going away to summer camp.  I was reluctant to listen, thinking that the decision making was premature (and we were concerned about burn out) but after further family discussions my wife and I decided to go with his decision and see how it went.  As it turned out, our son was 100% correct in what he wanted to do and what he wanted to devote himself to.  This past summer he spent 6-7 days a week at the golf course or at tournaments - probably 40-50 hours a week - and we had to force him to take a day off now and then.  At least for our son, passion fostered dedication and focus on golf to the exclusion of other activities was the right call based on his personality and drive to improve.  You have to be vigilant as each kid may have a different path which may not always be straight, but him pulling you out to the golf course rather than the opposite is such a wonderful thing.... the father son time you will spend is so priceless - it truly turns into hundreds of hours together in a way that just cannot be replicated with other activities and other sports (mostly where the parents are just watching and not participating).  I probably play on average 30+ rounds a year with my son (I think in 2017 we hit 45 rounds) and I never get tired of it and never lose sight of how special that time is.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 12:58 AM

Shanks I can help answer, you can do a search on the forum for St. Louis golf instructors. I know because I have in the past searching. One name is Brian fogt, he’s the pro at Bellereive ountry club. Last I checked he was 150 an hour, not sure you want to spend that kinda money though.

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#28 Enad23

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:39 PM

Check out MARIA PALOZOLA, very impressive resume and has winter clinics to private lessons with her or staff.  If we lived closer to St Louis I would have my 8 yr old working with her.   She is a 2 time top 50 US Kids instructor.

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#29 BloctonGolf11

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 09:29 AM

 Kenny Lee Puckett, on 05 December 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

he's only turning 9, and this isn't even until February?

please sir, take a pass on formal "lessons". he'll be burnt out by all of you before he even gets to 12,13,14 (when lessons should begin).

edit: current instruction should be as complicated as "go ahead and grip it an rip it buddy".

This is such an overstated generalization. There is nothing wrong with a child as young as 9 or even 8 having formal lessons. My son takes a lesson once a week for 30 minutes because he wanted to and asked to after his first PGA Jr. League season. His teacher specializes in working with children and as an educator myself I can tell you he does an EXCEPTIONAL job with the youngsters. Every 3 or 4 months we take a month off and my son steps away from golf completely to focus on other things and when he asks to start back up he starts back up. Make sure they are taking breaks and balancing their life with a wide range of activities and they will not burn out. Each child is different and should be looked upon with what is appropriate for that child.
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#30 Shanks2424

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:23 PM

 BloctonGolf11, on 07 December 2018 - 09:29 AM, said:

 Kenny Lee Puckett, on 05 December 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

he's only turning 9, and this isn't even until February?

please sir, take a pass on formal "lessons". he'll be burnt out by all of you before he even gets to 12,13,14 (when lessons should begin).

edit: current instruction should be as complicated as "go ahead and grip it an rip it buddy".

This is such an overstated generalization. There is nothing wrong with a child as young as 9 or even 8 having formal lessons. My son takes a lesson once a week for 30 minutes because he wanted to and asked to after his first PGA Jr. League season. His teacher specializes in working with children and as an educator myself I can tell you he does an EXCEPTIONAL job with the youngsters. Every 3 or 4 months we take a month off and my son steps away from golf completely to focus on other things and when he asks to start back up he starts back up. Make sure they are taking breaks and balancing their life with a wide range of activities and they will not burn out. Each child is different and should be looked upon with what is appropriate for that child.


I 100% agree with you. Since its winter time we are on our brake we still talk about golf and he grabs his putter when ever he wants. we will try to hit the driving range a few times during the off season. I dont like to hit the range during the winter because even thoe i keep my clubs indoors all year around and never leave them in my car. I cracked the face of 1 of my titleist drivers and one of my talyormade drivers when hitting outside in the winter range session.


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