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Is the 4i on it’s last leg?


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#1 Solidstrike

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 07:29 PM

Many of us remember when the 1i iron was replaced with driving irons, then the 2i was replaced with hybrids, then recently the 3i has essentially disappeared from modern sets, or from perception as it was rebranded to be a 4i.  I would think that the 4i is next.  

Do your think it’s on its last leg?

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 07:36 PM

Not even close. Maybe in gi and sgi sets were the 4i is 21* or less loft. Because the majority of players who need a gi set arent able to elevate a jacked 4i.

But in traditional sets cbs and mbs that still have a 24* 4i theyll be here forever.

Most traditional cb and mb sets still come with a 3i. I still game a 3i.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 07:38 PM

I stopped carrying my 4 iron very recently, replaced it with a 22* hybrid that serves as a 4 and 3 iron, my 5 iron is 25*.  Partly because of stronger iron lofts these days.

My Srizon Z765s have stronger lofts so my PW-5 Iron (46* to 25*) are comparable to my old Tommy Armour 845s 9I to 4 Iron (44* to 24*).

Edited by theothertwo, 04 December 2018 - 07:48 PM.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 07:39 PM

I don't think the set has changed all that much for decent players. I totally understand a higher handicap using more hybrids as they are easier to hit.

But i think most guys with <10 indexes the sets have barely changed. Most 4 irons today are like 21-23 degrees. That is what a 3 iron used to be and most guys in this handicap range still use 4 irons

If you use a 3 iron, there's a good chance it's 18-20 degrees, which is what a 2 iron used to be.

I regularly use a 18 degree iron.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 09:25 PM

12 index got rid of my 4 hybrid over a year ago, love my 4 iron

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 09:34 PM

I just recently picked a 3 and 4 iron back into the bag. Early results are good.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 09:48 PM

Never thought about it, but I can’t even remember using my 4 iron on the course this year.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 10:33 PM

I still play one if at all possible. I am not as accurate with a hybrid, which is all mental, and probably not as consistent in terms of contact with a 4 iron. But I find it easier to aim a 4 iron than a 4 hybrid. I do think a 22 degree 4 iron is where I want to be launch-wise. About to try a new one.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 10:39 PM

Going by the 24/38 rule most 4 irons are extinct.  I certainly havenít carried one in a while.  With the hollow driving irons and hybrids it doesnít really make sense for me.  While Iíd love a 4 iron I think the 23 degree utility I have just lets me get away with more
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 10:40 PM

I'm high single digit.  My new set coming z785 was ordered 5-PW.  I will be using 23 degree 4 utility iron, srixon u65 with steel shaft.  It's a monster off tee and easy off deck. Could easily bag the 3 and 4 iron but I dont carry any hybrids so this is a better setup for me.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 10:41 PM

As a player that uses traditional lofts (22*-48*) in irons, definitely not planning on dropping any of those clubs for hybrids- could possibly see a practical use once speed diminishes or face substantially different playing conditions more commonly.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 10:50 PM

View PostLaymanM, on 04 December 2018 - 10:40 PM, said:

I'm high single digit.  My new set coming z785 was ordered 5-PW.  I will be using 23 degree 4 utility iron, srixon u65 with steel shaft.  It's a monster off tee and easy off deck. Could easily bag the 3 and 4 iron but I dont carry any hybrids so this is a better setup for me.

Driver, 3 and 5 wood.  4 utility, 5-PW, 50/55/60.  I think it should all depend on what courses you are playing.  For me, the utility iron will get used off the tee on a lot of holes.
do you have a big gap between your 5 wood and the 4 utility?
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:02 PM

View PostC&#045;rad, on 04 December 2018 - 10:50 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 04 December 2018 - 10:40 PM, said:

I'm high single digit.  My new set coming z785 was ordered 5-PW.  I will be using 23 degree 4 utility iron, srixon u65 with steel shaft.  It's a monster off tee and easy off deck. Could easily bag the 3 and 4 iron but I dont carry any hybrids so this is a better setup for me.

Driver, 3 and 5 wood.  4 utility, 5-PW, 50/55/60.  I think it should all depend on what courses you are playing.  For me, the utility iron will get used off the tee on a lot of holes.
do you have a big gap between your 5 wood and the 4 utility?

Not really.  15-20 yards.  I can choke up on 5 wood to take some off if needed.  I'd rather have a slightly bigger gap there than at low end of my bag.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:04 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 04 December 2018 - 07:39 PM, said:

I don't think the set has changed all that much for decent players. I totally understand a higher handicap using more hybrids as they are easier to hit.

But i think most guys with <10 indexes the sets have barely changed. Most 4 irons today are like 21-23 degrees. That is what a 3 iron used to be and most guys in this handicap range still use 4 irons

If you use a 3 iron, there's a good chance it's 18-20 degrees, which is what a 2 iron used to be.

I regularly use a 18 degree iron.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:11 PM

Not a chance. I use my 21* 3i all the time. 18* 2i as well, on occasion, and it's not even a driving iron style.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:21 PM

I can hit a 4 iron pretty good most of the time from a tee or fairway but I can hit the 4 hybrid from just about any lie better. So for me I choose hybrid. Itís one of my favorite clubs and I feel more confident with it.
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 11:25 PM

Only if u are....
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 11:32 PM

Absolutely. All these 3 and 4 iron loving golfers will have to keep playing their old sets when in 5 years they go to get new irons and boom, no 4 irons!

Here's the trend I just thought of: the lowest number iron in your iron set will equal the number of wedges in your bag. LOL

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:42 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 04 December 2018 - 07:39 PM, said:

I don't think the set has changed all that much for decent players. I totally understand a higher handicap using more hybrids as they are easier to hit.

But i think most guys with <10 indexes the sets have barely changed. Most 4 irons today are like 21-23 degrees. That is what a 3 iron used to be and most guys in this handicap range still use 4 irons

If you use a 3 iron, there's a good chance it's 18-20 degrees, which is what a 2 iron used to be.

I regularly use a 18 degree iron.

Good post. My Z945 blade 4-iron is at 22* and is only 1* strong to spec. Its a disguised 3-iron with shorter shaft length.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:23 AM

My irons are either jpx-ez 25-45 deg (5-pw). Or, mp-30 23-48 deg (4-pw). I keep the 22 deg 4hy in the bag with either set. The gapping is better with the jpx 5-p than the mp-30 4-p and I rarely use the 4 iron anymore so I expect there’ll be less sets with 4 irons on the market in the future.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:48 AM

Golfers who are good nao strikers and likectge look of an iron will game one. Those who need help in the lon game will abandon it for somethin more forgiving

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:11 AM

Well I won't be ditching my 4-iron any time soon.

Paid extra to get a 3-iron  in my set, though that isn't in just now due to how I have the bag set up.

I can only speak for myself, but I still feel my misses are much smaller with an iron than with a lofted wood or a hybrid.

Only reason I have a hybrid in the bag is for versatility - namely being able to shift it out of lies in the rough I wouldn't fancy getting an iron on and being able to hit out a very high shot if required.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:40 PM

I am a low handicapper who plays a four hybrid. Makes total sense. Easier to hit, more consistent and forgiving. Higher launch to hold greens...

Take the ego out of play and a hybrid makes more sense in all forms in my opinion.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:08 PM

Don't think so, it might end up with a different number on the bottom, but don't see it going anywhere.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:28 PM

Last legs as in disappearing like the 2i? No, but in practical use, probably. Of my "more avid than average" friends (call them single digit players, if you'd like), a couple still carry a 4i, but I almost never see them being used. Most use a hybrid mainly because the balls land from a more vertical trajectory and therefore stop more predictably. With this group, it's more about that than being able to strike it reliably.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:47 PM

If I could've found a 4 iron to match my current favourite set of irons, I wouldn't use a hybrid. But I couldn't, so I do.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:28 PM

Taking a 4 iron out is kinda like saying player's clubs are on the way out. No matter how much equipment can make the game easier, there will be players that prefer both.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 06:23 PM

I use my 4 iron a lot. I use it on short narrow par 4s all the time off the tee. I still have a 4H but the iron is so much more accurate with the same distance.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 06:33 PM

I think for the majority of ams the 5i is the longest iron they can consistently hit off the deck, so fo GI sets I can understand the 4i being replaced with hybrids/Di. But I agree in players irons there will always be a place for 4i, but 10 years ago we had the same argument about the 3 and it's now a special order for most player iron sets.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:15 PM

Nah.


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