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#1 leftysviewuk

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 03:20 AM

Hello all,

I went for an iron fitting yesterday and knowing roughly which iron head I was targeting, I was very curious to see which shaft flex would fit.

Since I started playing 5 years ago, whenever I've been fitted its always been with the old favourite...... True Temper Dynamic Gold S300

Since my handicap has been dropping over the years, I've predominantly played Mizuno irons.
MP30 - TTDG S400
MP32 - TTDG S300
MP60 - TTDG S300

On every fitting I've had my swing speed with a 6 iron is roughly 86 - 87 mph

So yesterday I was measured again, all clubs were 6 iron. Average speed over 10 swings.

MP60 - TTDGS300 - Average 87 mph
X20 Tours - Project X 5.0 - Average 87 mph
AP2           Project X 5.5 - Average 91 mph..........?
X20 Tours - Project X 6.0 - Average 87 mph

The averages for all were very close, with limited deviation. I've heard of many people who's played 6.0 as a conversion to an S300, but I know that many consider project X to play a little firmer to flex and sometimes a little on the stiffer side.

Based on the fitting I was recommended a Project X in 5.5, which I have to agree with, considering the ball flight, carry, distance and accuracy.

Anyone else had a similar experience to this.
Thanks in advance.
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Posted 11 June 2008 - 03:38 AM

I spoke to a club fitter over the weekend about this and he said that while the standard Rifles 6.0 come out as sightly stiffer than S300, the Project X are a completely different beast and that 5.5 are much more similar to S300 flex.

Don't be put off by the apparently low flex, if it's right for you then you will be blowing it by someone who couldn't check their ego at the door and insisted on getting PX 6.0 if they previously used S300. Interestingly, the same guy said that when you go too stiff with PX your spin rates can actually go up. This confuses people so if they start at 6.0 they move up to 6.5 and even 7.0 in an effort to control their spin when the best thing to do would be to go down a flex. Has anyone heard of this situation?

Nice setup by the way - Cally woods and Mizuno irons. It's a pity you couldn't get to try the MP60's with Project X. I snuck into the Mizuno Tour van a few weeks ago and there were a surprising number of iron sets in their with PX in.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 03:58 AM

View Postbloodredsun, on Jun 11 2008, 09:38 AM, said:

I spoke to a club fitter over the weekend about this and he said that while the standard Rifles 6.0 come out as sightly stiffer than S300, the Project X are a completely different beast and that 5.5 are much more similar to S300 flex.

Don't be put off by the apparently low flex, if it's right for you then you will be blowing it by someone who couldn't check their ego at the door and insisted on getting PX 6.0 if they previously used S300. Interestingly, the same guy said that when you go too stiff with PX your spin rates can actually go up. This confuses people so if they start at 6.0 they move up to 6.5 and even 7.0 in an effort to control their spin when the best thing to do would be to go down a flex. Has anyone heard of this situation?

Nice setup by the way - Cally woods and Mizuno irons. It's a pity you couldn't get to try the MP60's with Project X. I snuck into the Mizuno Tour van a few weeks ago and there were a surprising number of iron sets in their with PX in.

Very interesting comments regarding the flex and spin rate. This could explain to an extent why we see so many bags with 6.0's, 6.5's and above.

Earlier last year I was playing a set of TM LT's with Project X in 6.0
Lets just say I sold them on after I was getting too much spin with these. They launched stupid high and even five irons into receptive greens were reversing too much...

I'd recently been to a Callaway demo day and tried the X20 Tours in a 5.0 and a 6.0. I hit both well, but found the 5.0 felt too springy (distance control issues...!) and the 6.0 a little wooden..  Myself and the pro thought that I would fit a 5.5 better, it was good to see that the results on the flightscope backed this up.
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Edited by leftysviewuk, 11 June 2008 - 04:08 AM.


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Posted 11 June 2008 - 04:29 AM

I as well have about a 90 mph with a six and was fit into a px 5.5. I love this shaft.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 07:43 AM

Were th X-20 Tours flighted Project X versus the regular Project X in the AP2?  The stock Project X shafts in these two clubs are different.   I'm not sure that I would have expected to produce such different swing speeds but they are definitely a different animal which produce different spin and flight characteristics.

As an aside, I've been testing the Project X (non-flighted).  I currently play regular rifles in a 6.0 and am finding the 5.5 more than enought shaft.  IMO, because the butt is so stiff in the Project X it feels much stiffer than it is actually playing (the 5.5 "feels" stiffer than my regular rifle 6.0, but is not unplayable).  But a 6.0 in Project X is much stiffer than either an S300 or a 6.0 in regular rifles.


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Posted 11 June 2008 - 07:56 AM

I have been testing iron shafts and reading a lot about it on the wrx shop forum. These are cut and pasted from there:



DGS300 = 5.8FCM
PX5.5 = 6.0FCM
PX6.0 = 6.5FCM

DGX100 = 6.8FCM

5-iron specs

..........................cut shaft wt.(grams).....frequency(CPM).....torque

Dynamic Gold R300........110.9.....................304..................1.80

Dynalite Gold S300...... . 108.1..................... 307..................1.82

Rifle 5.5........................107.7......................319..................1.78
Dynamic Gold S300........114.4.....................320..................1.66

Project X 5.5.................106.4.....................321..................1.60
Dynamic Gold S400........115.4.....................322..................1.66
Rifle 6.5........................114.4......................328..................1.66
Dynamic Gold X100........114.9.....................329..................1.62

As you can see, a project X 5.5 is almost the same as S300.  I have had the same experience as you have and my swing speed is exactly the same as yours 86-87 average with the 6 iron.  Project X is at least half a club longer than the S300.  For me it averaged out to be 8 yards longer.  

Edited by My better is better, 11 June 2008 - 07:59 AM.


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Posted 11 June 2008 - 08:02 AM

All good information and responses, seems to back the validity of my fitting, given the
shafts tested.

I've seen many threads on here regarding the Project X, just hoping to help fellow members out who are also keen to try the Project X.

As for the question regarding the 5.5's being a standard Project X or the Flighted one, as per the X20 tours, that was probably one detail I missed. In fairness though the fitter did specifically make this one up from the Titleist fitting cart such that I had the full relevant range of flexes to test.

Many thanks

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 10:31 AM

Keep in mind that when you go with a longer than stock shaft with the PX, the FCM goes up while the FCM goes down when you lengthen DG shafts. Titleist told my fitter than my PX 5.5 shafts played more like a PX 5.7 would because of the extra 1/2" in length.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 10:45 AM

View Postsidewinder, on Jun 11 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

Keep in mind that when you go with a longer than stock shaft with the PX, the FCM goes up while the FCM goes down when you lengthen DG shafts. Titleist told my fitter than my PX 5.5 shafts played more like a PX 5.7 would because of the extra 1/2" in length.

S-

Thanks sidewinder, good info for the membership. Apart from being a lefty and struggling to obtain decent gear to test, I've always been fairly standard in terms of loft, lie & length. I'm a 5ft 10 Golfer, whom actually hits the standard criteria for a change.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 10:48 AM

I play the satin project x's in 5.5 and couldn't be happier. I've picked up almost a full club over my prior shafts (DG S300). I contribute this to the slightly lighter shaft and the stiff butt med tip characteristics of the Project X shafts.

Interestingly enough my 6 iron SS was about 85 with the DG's and 89 with the Project X's.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 04:17 PM

Another vote for PX 5.5 converting from DGS300.  I couldn't even draw the ball with PX 6.0 without hitting it like a hook.  Went to 5.5 and there it is...the draw is back.
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Posted 15 June 2008 - 04:31 PM

I think picking a shaft has alot to do with the clubhead, so you really need to hit some before you decide. But here's my experience with hitting a few different setups.  

I've tried mp-57's with a dgs300's and it felt a little to stiff, i had a mid ball flight and was a little inconsistent.  

Then i tried the callaway prototypes with project x 6.0's, higher ball flight but misshit's were very inconsistent- some low, and some that take off when you hit it perfect but it seems too stiff still.  

Then i tried the x-forged with project x 6.0's and it was a whole different story. High ballflight and consistent distance, even slower swings the shaft still kicked. The lower center of gravity in the heads really change the feel of the shaft to me.

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 10:04 AM

generally:

Projext X (non-flighted) 5.5 = S300
Project X (non-flighted) 6.0 = S400
Project X (non-flighted) 6.5 = X100

I specified non-flighted because i don't know enough about the flighted shafts to make a comment

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 11:03 PM

Can somebody please explain to why I hit a set of MP-32's with the Project X 5.0s's so well last fall. I was hitting my buddies sticks and literally flagged it all round, he then told me they were 5.0 which I assume are a R-300. That blew me away...

I have played a S-300 for the last ten years and finally decided to try a P x 5.0 in my 6 iron. I will reshaft it probably tomorrow and play it this weekend.
Question is that I have been specked at 94 mph on the 6 iron and usually float it out there about 175 with a baby cut. Is the 5.0 to soft for me???  Is a 5.0 very similar to a S-300???

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 04:51 PM

See I currently play with Taylormade MB TP's 6.5 got um a lil'bargain, basically my buddy bought um and couldnt hit it was far to stiff and a just a little light. its all about personally prefrence personally I play X Shafts in my Driver, Fairway Wood, and Hybrids and normal shaft in my wedges.

So I personally think trial and error is the way foward, different heads and shafts work differently together.


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Posted 17 June 2008 - 07:33 PM

View Postkvnhlstd, on Jun 17 2008, 12:03 AM, said:

Can somebody please explain to why I hit a set of MP-32's with the Project X 5.0s's so well last fall. I was hitting my buddies sticks and literally flagged it all round, he then told me they were 5.0 which I assume are a R-300. That blew me away...

I have played a S-300 for the last ten years and finally decided to try a P x 5.0 in my 6 iron. I will reshaft it probably tomorrow and play it this weekend.
Question is that I have been specked at 94 mph on the 6 iron and usually float it out there about 175 with a baby cut. Is the 5.0 to soft for me???  Is a 5.0 very similar to a S-300???

I play 5.5's and hit my 6 iron around 170 with a small draw and a smooth tempo. I would say 5.5 to 6.0 would be a better fit at that ss without seeing how quick your transition is.
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Posted 17 June 2008 - 07:37 PM

I just compared 6.0 flighted vs. 5.5 non-flighted on a Vector and the numbers were very similar.  Anyone know why or experience the same?  Also, don't the flighted shafts vary in weight throughout the set?

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 10:05 PM

I ordered a combo set of mizuno 57/32 with px 6.5 in them.  I should be getting them friday.  I tried the KZ Evo with 6.0 and all I would get would be high almost ballooning fades like my driver before I got it reshafted.  My fitter said that the shaft was too weak so he gave me a xflex from a stiff for my driver that is.  My speed is about 110-113mph.  Basically I want to know is that will 6.5 be stiff enough?  I'm pretty smooth but make a good descending blow.  I was told I make a good aggressive move.  I almost think it will be too much but I hope im wrong.  Any help will be appreciated.

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 08:45 AM

View PostMatzi, on Jul 23 2008, 11:05 PM, said:

I ordered a combo set of mizuno 57/32 with px 6.5 in them.  I should be getting them friday.  I tried the KZ Evo with 6.0 and all I would get would be high almost ballooning fades like my driver before I got it reshafted.  My fitter said that the shaft was too weak so he gave me a xflex from a stiff for my driver that is.  My speed is about 110-113mph.  Basically I want to know is that will 6.5 be stiff enough?  I'm pretty smooth but make a good descending blow.  I was told I make a good aggressive move.  I almost think it will be too much but I hope im wrong.  Any help will be appreciated.

At 110-113mph with an aggressive move at the ball, 6.5 should be fine. I certainly wouldn't go any stiffer....7.0 is like rebar.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 12:03 PM

View PostMy better is better, on 11 June 2008 - 07:56 AM, said:

I have been testing iron shafts and reading a lot about it on the wrx shop forum. These are cut and pasted from there:



DGS300 = 5.8FCM
PX5.5 = 6.0FCM
PX6.0 = 6.5FCM

DGX100 = 6.8FCM

5-iron specs

..........................cut shaft wt.(grams).....frequency(CPM).....torque

Dynamic Gold R300........110.9.....................304..................1.80

Dynalite Gold S300...... . 108.1..................... 307..................1.82

Rifle 5.5........................107.7......................319..................1.78
Dynamic Gold S300........114.4.....................320..................1.66

Project X 5.5.................106.4.....................321..................1.60
Dynamic Gold S400........115.4.....................322..................1.66
Rifle 6.5........................114.4......................328..................1.66
Dynamic Gold X100........114.9.....................329..................1.62

As you can see, a project X 5.5 is almost the same as S300.  I have had the same experience as you have and my swing speed is exactly the same as yours 86-87 average with the 6 iron.  Project X is at least half a club longer than the S300.  For me it averaged out to be 8 yards longer.  

Was this comparison with the current Project X shafts or the Original satin Project X's?




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Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:26 PM

I play 6.5 in my ZB blades and was hitting them pretty good but felt that maybe I should drop down.
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 06:23 AM

View Postjones137, on 24 July 2008 - 08:45 AM, said:

View PostMatzi, on Jul 23 2008, 11:05 PM, said:

I ordered a combo set of mizuno 57/32 with px 6.5 in them.  I should be getting them friday.  I tried the KZ Evo with 6.0 and all I would get would be high almost ballooning fades like my driver before I got it reshafted.  My fitter said that the shaft was too weak so he gave me a xflex from a stiff for my driver that is.  My speed is about 110-113mph.  Basically I want to know is that will 6.5 be stiff enough?  I'm pretty smooth but make a good descending blow.  I was told I make a good aggressive move.  I almost think it will be too much but I hope im wrong.  Any help will be appreciated.

At 110-113mph with an aggressive move at the ball, 6.5 should be fine. I certainly wouldn't go any stiffer....7.0 is like rebar.


px 7.0 is not rebar; att least fine for me and works for me see sig.
also for me  PX 7.0 more spin killing and better ball flight than px 6.5
to each his her own

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 08:24 AM

I played S300's for my whole life but the 680's I bought had PX 6.0's in them. I went into Golfsmith to use their Mizuno iron fitter and it turns out, PX 6.0 is what I was fitted to so I lucked out there.

Having only played a couple rounds with them, I do notice slightly better control with the longer irons. If I need to go after the ball, the clubhead definitely feels more stable. On smooth swings, it doesn't matter of course.

It's interesting that in irons I get fitted to a stiff+ but on my driver, I absolutely need an X or X+ due to the launch and spin and I generate.
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 08:29 AM

View Postjwolfe910, on 11 June 2008 - 04:29 AM, said:

I as well have about a 90 mph with a six and was fit into a px 5.5. I love this shaft.

Same here. Love the ball flight with every iron in my bag now. I have the original satin's thought, not the new chrome ones.

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 08:32 AM

View Postjones137, on 11 June 2008 - 10:48 AM, said:

I play the satin project x's in 5.5 and couldn't be happier. I've picked up almost a full club over my prior shafts (DG S300). I contribute this to the slightly lighter shaft and the stiff butt med tip characteristics of the Project X shafts.

Interestingly enough my 6 iron SS was about 85 with the DG's and 89 with the Project X's.

PX's are lighter, which makes sense that your ss was faster with them.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 03:56 AM

ive just got a set of x22 tours with the flighted 5.0 in them now i normally play nippon 950,now these seem really stiff compared to my nippons,what swing speed do you need as mine is only 73 with a 6 iron and what size tip would i need if i need to reshaft my x22 tours cheers
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Posted 11 October 2011 - 11:34 AM

I'm going to project x from my dgx200's,  my shafts are 1" longer, I can't find anywhere to hit the 6.5 and 7.0 and so far everyone I've talked to has split. Half say because they're a full inch longer to go 7.0 and others say 6.5 will be plenty stiff. I don't know my iron swing speed, my driver average ss is 142, my 6 iron carry distance is 205 yards but fight a hook with my dgx200's, anybody have some insight that may help me?

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:21 PM

People going from 6.0s to 5.5 dont you think the dispersion is larger on misses?

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:33 PM

Just sold my set with S300 and I am looking to try something new, probably Project X but don't know which one to get. I am thinking 5.5 or 6.0 but as I am getting stronger I think that the 6.0 will last me longer.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 02:26 PM

It's an interesting take...I played PX 6.5 in my R9 TP's, have them in my 2011 TM MB's...I hit my r9 6 iron 200-205....last night I was 210 out and absolutely nutted a 5 iron...it was dusk and tough to see...but it was the best swing I put on a ball all day and thought I went over the green....walked up and found it 5 feet short of the green...my R9 TP's were 1/4" long from their standard and these MB's are stock length...but I used to choke down a bit on the r9's.....I just couldn't explain this...it literally could have been the best swing I've put on a ball all season..shocked when it came up short. Can't explain it.


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