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#1 Mr Titleist

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 01:57 PM

Hi All,

Any tips to avoid this position on the takeaway/ backswing?

No matter what I try, I cannot get rid of it. Tried to introduce some wrist hinge but obviously not working!!!

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 02:15 PM

Look up the "No turn cast golf drill" by Monte on youtube. Worked wonders for me. Listen carefully how to do it correct, especially about turning your arms, not only forearms. Will feel awkward at first, but the ballflight will speak for itself.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 02:23 PM

Keep trail arm straighter...

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 02:28 PM

https://youtu.be/tDt6N0eF-T8

Pete Cowens axe drill. Will sort that, no problem.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 03:13 PM

Suffered this for years, best way i find to keep it in check is just to practice a hell of a lot of half swings to get my wrist hinge starting properly and the shaft more vertical at the halfway point, you can add a freezer every few shots as well to get a feel for where you're at, then you can then work on other stuff like the Faldo drill, Cowen's axe drill or whatever to get to the top and practice that. I've found lots of repetition and half swings make it feel a bit easier, it's all in that first foot of the takeaway unfortunately, and i find you need to have everything set up as if you're hitting a shot, so ball, position, target, etc, otherwise it's easy to just practice perfect without the added thoughts of a real swing.

Good luck anyway, there are many ways to get out of position, i tend to rotate a little flat and suck the club in, then swing miles in to out, i find in my half swing practices it's the rotation of the body that's my issue, this and late wrist hinge, there are just so many ways to go wrong unfortunately, the arm swing illusion stuff is good as well, it certainly seems to stop the arms being sucked round with the body if that's your issue.


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Posted 01 December 2018 - 03:28 PM

Have to have more torso turn.   Right arm straight as mentioned can help.   Or hold an alignment stick ( can push it into the grip too) on grip and keep it on your side and drag it down your left leg.

Here’s an example of torso.   Note how much his chest has turned by club parallel versus your chest.  https://www.instagram.com/p/Blfmp92HLQO/

Edited by glk, 01 December 2018 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2018 - 03:58 PM

Meh. Not sure I’d call that an inside takeaway.  I’d class an inside takeaway as excessive early forearm roll which is not an issue here. Clubface is too open but that’s a grip or wrist condition issue.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 07:37 PM

Not an inside takeaway at all.  But face is too open

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:41 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 01 December 2018 - 07:37 PM, said:

Not an inside takeaway at all.  But face is too open

Dan, if you see this... How do you recognize “inside take-away” form a dtl video? I would have characterized this as inside (not terrible).


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 12:07 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 01 December 2018 - 07:37 PM, said:

Not an inside takeaway at all.  But face is too open

I was thinking the same, the camera seems to be lined up with his body and not hands or target line. If it's an inside takeaway, I'd say only very little.  Other than the toe-up/open face, picture 3 looks like a pretty decent position to me.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 01:08 PM

View Postwmblake2000, on 03 December 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 01 December 2018 - 07:37 PM, said:

Not an inside takeaway at all.  But face is too open

Dan, if you see this... How do you recognize “inside take-away” form a dtl video? I would have characterized this as inside (not terrible).
Second frame is when club is parallel to the ground.  Camera angle there is high.  Clubhead is actually outside his hands from a decent camera angle

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 01:17 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 01 December 2018 - 07:37 PM, said:

Not an inside takeaway at all.  But face is too open

Phew. Was hoping you'd say this. I feel like I know what an inside takeaway is (ask me how I know!), and don't see it here.

Face looks open "early"/in a short distance away from the ball, but it's not by him pushing his hands away from his body while fanning the face open, even...

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 01:50 PM

Think he might be talking about this

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 01:58 PM

What's wrong with that? That doesn't look "inside" either.

Are you thinking he means that his back swing is too flat?

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 02:03 PM

OP,  you could release your right hip into a bigger pivot, which would allow your hands/arms to go inside more.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 02:09 PM

View PostKMeloney, on 03 December 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

What's wrong with that? That doesn't look "inside" either.

Are you thinking he means that his back swing is too flat?

Many instructors prefer the club pointing at ball line or inside at this point. Clubhead a bit inside which points shaft outside ball

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 02:26 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 03 December 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostKMeloney, on 03 December 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

What's wrong with that? That doesn't look "inside" either.

Are you thinking he means that his back swing is too flat?

Many instructors prefer the club pointing at ball line or inside at this point. Clubhead a bit inside which points shaft outside ball

But that's a different conversation than an "inside takeaway," isn't it? Now we're talking about the shaft angle half way back, right?

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 02:41 PM

View PostKMeloney, on 03 December 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 03 December 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostKMeloney, on 03 December 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

What's wrong with that? That doesn't look "inside" either.

Are you thinking he means that his back swing is too flat?

Many instructors prefer the club pointing at ball line or inside at this point. Clubhead a bit inside which points shaft outside ball

But that's a different conversation than an "inside takeaway," isn't it? Now we're talking about the shaft angle half way back, right?

Just trying to decipher what the OP might be talking about, he mentions takeaway/backswing and includes that frame

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 02:56 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 03 December 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

Just trying to decipher what the OP might be talking about, he mentions takeaway/backswing and includes that frame

I hear you. Me too. So, hopefully we'll get a better understanding of what the OP thinks the problem is, what the problem is commonly referred to, and then what the plan of correction might be.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:13 PM

Last I heard you don't hit the ball on the takeaway. I get how a good backswing puts you in a better position to make a good throughswing, but it's no guarantee, just like a so called poor backswing doesn't automatically mean a poor impact position. What I don't get is all this obsessing over backswing positions and positions halfway back etc. And in the case of the OP he's talking about the takeaway, which doesn't even look that inside if at all. Ray Floyd made a pretty good career out of a takeaway that went way inside. I know this doesn't answer the OPs question, but maybe the question itself is the issue. I don't know how you can possibly make a good swing if you are concentrating on takeaway positions.

Edited by playa, 03 December 2018 - 03:16 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:26 PM

View Postplaya, on 03 December 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

Last I heard you don't hit the ball on the takeaway. I get how a good backswing puts you in a better position to make a good throughswing, but it's no guarantee, just like a so called poor backswing doesn't automatically mean a poor impact position. What I don't get is all this obsessing over backswing positions and positions halfway back etc. And in the case of the OP he's talking about the takeaway, which doesn't even look that inside if at all. Ray Floyd made a pretty good career out of a takeaway that went way inside. I know this doesn't answer the OPs question, but maybe the question itself is the issue. I don't know how you can possibly make a good swing if you are concentrating on takeaway positions.
I think this is a valid comment, so the question goes back to the OP.
Why do you think you need to change that? Is it really causing a problem in your swing?  
Have you worked at all with an instructor who has identified this as a fault, or are you diagnosing your own videos?  If its the latter, my suggestion is to stop it.  Get someone qualified to watch your swing and give you instruction, or find an online video analysis service, but don't try to do it yourself.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:57 PM

Hi Everyone,

Many thanks for the responses.

My issue is just after halfway back the club is behind my hands. My backswing gets very flat with little to no wrist has hinge.

I am working with an instructor and tried to put in some wrist hinge from the start but just cannot seem to do it right.

Edited by Mr Titleist, 03 December 2018 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:58 PM

View Postplaya, on 03 December 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

Last I heard you don't hit the ball on the takeaway. I get how a good backswing puts you in a better position to make a good throughswing, but it's no guarantee, just like a so called poor backswing doesn't automatically mean a poor impact position. What I don't get is all this obsessing over backswing positions and positions halfway back etc. And in the case of the OP he's talking about the takeaway, which doesn't even look that inside if at all. Ray Floyd made a pretty good career out of a takeaway that went way inside. I know this doesn't answer the OPs question, but maybe the question itself is the issue. I don't know how you can possibly make a good swing if you are concentrating on takeaway positions.

Well then you might be surprised at what some people can do.  I don't know a single good player, and would highly doubt there are many pros, who haven't worked on their takeaway at some point in their golfing life.  Once you have something that works, you don't have to "concentrate" on it when swinging, but certainly would want to check it occasionally, especially if a particular swing issue arises.

The takeaway is part of the swing, whether inside, outside, straight up or somewhere in the middle, and it would be a more holistic approach to at least consider how it may or may not impact an individual swing.  And as was noted by iteach, there is a different issue than inside to consider in his takeaway.

Has anyone asked yet about his emotional state?

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 04:14 PM

View PostMr Titleist, on 03 December 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

Hi Everyone,

Many thanks for the responses.

My issue is just after halfway back the club is behind my hands. My backswing gets very flat with little to no wrist has hinge.

I am working with an instructor and tried to put in some wrist hinge from the start but just cannot seem to do it right.

You may find this old thread of interest. http://www.golfwrx.c...-pivot-in-sync/

Here's a great training station to work on it too - too start give your self some room and start with slow swings to gain confidence that you don't hit the sticks
http://www.instagram.../p/BlJU3HLgmpH/

Or hold the alignment stick on your grip (or you can push it into the grip) and do this drill - get the stick to point more at your toe line.   https://www.instagra.../p/Bhe5iCyFZko/

Edited by glk, 03 December 2018 - 04:18 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 04:37 PM

View PostMr Titleist, on 03 December 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

Hi Everyone,

Many thanks for the responses.

My issue is just after halfway back the club is behind my hands. My backswing gets very flat with little to no wrist has hinge.

I am working with an instructor and tried to put in some wrist hinge from the start but just cannot seem to do it right.

Try that last drill glk posted with the alignment stick brushing your thigh in backswing to give you a feel. It can be hard to swing down with that alignment rod though


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:19 PM

Point logo of golf glove towards ground on takeaway.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:28 PM

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Point logo of golf glove towards ground on takeaway.
Really? Wheres the logo on your glove?
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:28 PM

For years my swing looked eerily identical to that on the takeaway. For me the fix came with a change of intent. I now feel like the turn (chest + pivot) leads the hands back like I'm trying to sling the club up to the top with speed, which requires involving the big muscles. Letting the body go first keeps the hands in front more and results in a deeper less armsy turn with the club going away a bit more vertically, for me anyway. Wouldn't normally offer advice but in this case think it may help since our swings are (were) so incredibly similar.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 06:09 PM

View PostLondoner, on 04 December 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

View Postsjt4718, on 03 December 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

Point logo of golf glove towards ground on takeaway.
Really? Wheres the logo on your glove?

Look at any picture of a golf glove - easy to see where it is on most brands.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 09:45 AM

Usually the logo is above your knuckles where you fasten the velcro. Will feel very bizarre! Bring your hands inside towards your right pocket and keep the clubhead outside your hands not whipped around your body. When your right elbow folds your club will naturally come up to the top in position. Watch a rear video of Rickie Fowler to see it.


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