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Posted 01 December 2018 - 01:07 AM

Reed touching the sand with his fairway metal on his second shot on the 15th? Unless it’s a different classification in that sand hazard....

Love to hear your view after watching it...


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Posted 01 December 2018 - 01:09 AM

Sand or waste hazard?

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 01:51 AM

Awesome thread title. So descriptive.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 01:53 AM

Waste area.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 01:54 AM

Sand hazard at the Hero, watch his highlights on the tube, sorry... should have given more info in the title..


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Posted 01 December 2018 - 01:57 AM

Yea at the Hero.  That course has a lot of waste area.  Foot prints,  tire tracks all over em.  You can ground club.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 02:26 AM

Aaagh... waste area! All clear now...

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 02:28 AM

Isn't that rule changing too?  Another one of those "player's intent" things?

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 09:26 AM

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 December 2018 - 02:28 AM, said:

Isn't that rule changing too?  Another one of those "player's intent" things?

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 09:39 AM

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 December 2018 - 02:28 AM, said:

Isn't that rule changing too?  Another one of those "player's intent" things?

No.  Itís just very important your know if itís classified as a hazard or a waste area......as DJ knows all too well.

All the players get a detailed handout about this and any other local rules or oddities about the course before the tournament starts.  Whether they read it is another thing altogether.


Ps.  And original poster, edit  your title please.  Itís terrible. Just go to your first post and hit the edit button.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 10:10 AM

Thread is a waste area.
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Posted 01 December 2018 - 11:26 AM

Internet is definitely one.
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Posted 01 December 2018 - 03:40 PM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 01 December 2018 - 09:39 AM, said:

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 December 2018 - 02:28 AM, said:

Isn't that rule changing too?  Another one of those "player's intent" things?

No.  Itís just very important your know if itís classified as a hazard or a waste area......as DJ knows all too well.

All the players get a detailed handout about this and any other local rules or oddities about the course before the tournament starts.  Whether they read it is another thing altogether.


Ps.  And original poster, edit  your title please.  Itís terrible. Just go to your first post and hit the edit button.


At least these bunkers  donít have 100s of people camping inside them .  I mean can we just bulldoze whistling straights already ?  Iíll never ever get over that.  Hate the course because of that. How fans can sit in an actual bunker while a guy plays a shot from it is beyond me.  Calling that penalty with that optic took incredible something.  I just donít know what to call it.
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Posted 01 December 2018 - 04:30 PM

Can you take practice swings in waste area? And remove debri and such? I need to checkout the new WRX article on the new rule changes too. I saw you can now do all of that in red stake hazards in 2019. This will save me a lot of wear and tear on my irons being able to clear rocks and debri.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 04:36 PM

Did I see what?

Enjoy the chase.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 04:42 PM

View Postthevaporz, on 01 December 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

Can you take practice swings in waste area? And remove debri and such? I need to checkout the new WRX article on the new rule changes too. I saw you can now do all of that in red stake hazards in 2019. This will save me a lot of wear and tear on my irons being able to clear rocks and debri.

You always were able to, a waste area is not a hazard

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 04:44 PM

somebody got a semi at the chance to dunk on reed...

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 04:59 PM

View PostKrt22, on 01 December 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postthevaporz, on 01 December 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

Can you take practice swings in waste area? And remove debri and such? I need to checkout the new WRX article on the new rule changes too. I saw you can now do all of that in red stake hazards in 2019. This will save me a lot of wear and tear on my irons being able to clear rocks and debri.

You always were able to, a waste area is not a hazard

Thanks. I knew about grounding club but wasn't sure about practice swings. I never knew you weren't allowed to bring your bag into the hazard too. Like no part of your equipment can be grounded in the hazard, right (current rule)? I admit I am ignorant about lots of rules.

Edited by thevaporz, 01 December 2018 - 04:59 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2018 - 11:14 PM

I thought the rule regarding grounding a club in the sand was changing.  I need to look that up.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 12:32 AM

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 December 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

I thought the rule regarding grounding a club in the sand was changing.  I need to look that up.

Nope. You can now ground your club in a water hazard, you can inadvertently touch the sand and remove loose impediments in a bunker, but you still can't ground your club in a bunker


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Posted 02 December 2018 - 01:13 AM

But next year you can ground your club in a bunker to brace yourself from a fall, correct? I know some older guys at the club will appreciate this new rule for getting into and out of steep bunkers.

Edited by thevaporz, 02 December 2018 - 01:14 AM.


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Posted 02 December 2018 - 01:37 AM

Also,  signing an incorrect scorecard will be permissible as long as you did not feel it.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 04:11 AM

View PostKrt22, on 02 December 2018 - 12:32 AM, said:

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 December 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

I thought the rule regarding grounding a club in the sand was changing.  I need to look that up.

Nope. You can now ground your club in a water hazard, you can inadvertently touch the sand and remove loose impediments in a bunker, but you still can't ground your club in a bunker

2019 Rule: Under Rule 17:
  • There will no longer be any special restrictions when a ball is in a “penalty area” (the expanded designation for the area that includes what are now called water hazards).
  • A player will be allowed to touch or move loose impediments and touch the ground with hand or club (such as grounding the club right behind the ball) for any reason, subject only to the prohibition on improving conditions for the stroke (see new Rule 8.1a).
Also, I'm pretty sure touching even one grain of sand is considered "grounding" the club under the old rules.  That's what I was getting at initally, but it appears setting up with your club in the sand is okay under the new rules.  That I did not know.

Edited by soregongolfer, 02 December 2018 - 04:18 AM.


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Posted 02 December 2018 - 08:52 AM

View Postthevaporz, on 01 December 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

View PostKrt22, on 01 December 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postthevaporz, on 01 December 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

Can you take practice swings in waste area? And remove debri and such? I need to checkout the new WRX article on the new rule changes too. I saw you can now do all of that in red stake hazards in 2019. This will save me a lot of wear and tear on my irons being able to clear rocks and debri.

You always were able to, a waste area is not a hazard

Thanks. I knew about grounding club but wasn't sure about practice swings. I never knew you weren't allowed to bring your bag into the hazard too. Like no part of your equipment can be grounded in the hazard, right (current rule)? I admit I am ignorant about lots of rules.

View Postthevaporz, on 02 December 2018 - 01:13 AM, said:

But next year you can ground your club in a bunker to brace yourself from a fall, correct? I know some older guys at the club will appreciate this new rule for getting into and out of steep bunkers.

Ignorant?  Maybe not.  Misinformed?  Probably

You were always allowed to
- brace from fall or to keep your balance
- bring equipment into the hazard

Current 13-4

Exceptions:


1. Provided nothing is done that constitutes testing the condition of the hazard or improves the lie of the ball, there is no penalty if the player (a) touches the ground or loose impediments in any hazard or water in a water hazard as a result of or to prevent falling, in removing an obstruction, in measuring or in marking the position of, retrieving, lifting, placing or replacing a ball under any Rule or (b) places his clubs in a hazard.

And if there is a local rule, you can remove stones from bunkers.  Most courses have this local rule in place.  It should be on the scorecard.

Edited by Vindog, 02 December 2018 - 10:12 AM.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 09:01 AM

View Postsoregongolfer, on 02 December 2018 - 04:11 AM, said:

View PostKrt22, on 02 December 2018 - 12:32 AM, said:

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 December 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

I thought the rule regarding grounding a club in the sand was changing.  I need to look that up.

Nope. You can now ground your club in a water hazard, you can inadvertently touch the sand and remove loose impediments in a bunker, but you still can't ground your club in a bunker

2019 Rule: Under Rule 17:
  • There will no longer be any special restrictions when a ball is in a “penalty area” (the expanded designation for the area that includes what are now called water hazards).
  • A player will be allowed to touch or move loose impediments and touch the ground with hand or club (such as grounding the club right behind the ball) for any reason, subject only to the prohibition on improving conditions for the stroke (see new Rule 8.1a).
Also, I'm pretty sure touching even one grain of sand is considered "grounding" the club under the old rules.  That's what I was getting at initally, but it appears setting up with your club in the sand is okay under the new rules.  That I did not know.


I don't think those are accurate.  Here is new rule:



b. Restrictions on Touching Sand in Bunker

stroke at a ball in a bunker, a player must not:
  • Deliberately touch sand in the bunker with a hand, club, rake or other object to test the condition of the sand to learn information for the next stroke, or
  • Touch sand in the bunker with a club:


Red results in penalty.

Edited by Vindog, 02 December 2018 - 09:01 AM.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 05:43 PM

View PostVindog, on 02 December 2018 - 09:01 AM, said:

View Postsoregongolfer, on 02 December 2018 - 04:11 AM, said:

View PostKrt22, on 02 December 2018 - 12:32 AM, said:

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 December 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

I thought the rule regarding grounding a club in the sand was changing.  I need to look that up.

Nope. You can now ground your club in a water hazard, you can inadvertently touch the sand and remove loose impediments in a bunker, but you still can't ground your club in a bunker

2019 Rule: Under Rule 17:
  • There will no longer be any special restrictions when a ball is in a “penalty area” (the expanded designation for the area that includes what are now called water hazards).
  • A player will be allowed to touch or move loose impediments and touch the ground with hand or club (such as grounding the club right behind the ball) for any reason, subject only to the prohibition on improving conditions for the stroke (see new Rule 8.1a).
Also, I'm pretty sure touching even one grain of sand is considered "grounding" the club under the old rules.  That's what I was getting at initally, but it appears setting up with your club in the sand is okay under the new rules.  That I did not know.


I don't think those are accurate.  Here is new rule:



b. Restrictions on Touching Sand in Bunker

stroke at a ball in a bunker, a player must not:
  • Deliberately touch sand in the bunker with a hand, club, rake or other object to test the condition of the sand to learn information for the next stroke, or
  • Touch sand in the bunker with a club:


Red results in penalty.


Here's where I got it.  Maybe these USGA guys don't know anything about the rule ;)
http://www.usga.org/...or-changes.html

Edited by soregongolfer, 02 December 2018 - 05:45 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2018 - 07:05 PM

View Postsoregongolfer, on 02 December 2018 - 05:43 PM, said:

View PostVindog, on 02 December 2018 - 09:01 AM, said:

View Postsoregongolfer, on 02 December 2018 - 04:11 AM, said:

View PostKrt22, on 02 December 2018 - 12:32 AM, said:

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 December 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

I thought the rule regarding grounding a club in the sand was changing.  I need to look that up.

Nope. You can now ground your club in a water hazard, you can inadvertently touch the sand and remove loose impediments in a bunker, but you still can't ground your club in a bunker

2019 Rule: Under Rule 17:
  • There will no longer be any special restrictions when a ball is in a “penalty area” (the expanded designation for the area that includes what are now called water hazards).
  • A player will be allowed to touch or move loose impediments and touch the ground with hand or club (such as grounding the club right behind the ball) for any reason, subject only to the prohibition on improving conditions for the stroke (see new Rule 8.1a).
Also, I'm pretty sure touching even one grain of sand is considered "grounding" the club under the old rules.  That's what I was getting at initally, but it appears setting up with your club in the sand is okay under the new rules.  That I did not know.


I don't think those are accurate.  Here is new rule:



b. Restrictions on Touching Sand in Bunker

stroke at a ball in a bunker, a player must not:
  • Deliberately touch sand in the bunker with a hand, club, rake or other object to test the condition of the sand to learn information for the next stroke, or
  • Touch sand in the bunker with a club:


Red results in penalty.


Here's where I got it.  Maybe these USGA guys don't know anything about the rule ;)
http://www.usga.org/...or-changes.html


Well yeah, I mean  I got mine from the same place.  But maybe we are talking about two different things, with both being correct:  No you can't ground your club at address (if that's what you meant by setting up) but yes you can touch the sand while removing LOs.

Edited by Vindog, 02 December 2018 - 07:06 PM.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:43 AM

Sorry guys...clicked on full editor to beef up my heading but it won't open.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 04:43 AM

GGeneral area is a new term that replaced  'through the green' down here in Australia, this area covers everything except tee, bunkers,penalty area and green. Assuming it's the same in the US? So waste areas would fall under penalty areas? And would the same relief procedures apply?

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:00 AM

View Postlowheel, on 01 December 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

somebody got a semi at the chance to dunk on reed...

I like my bad boys in golf... Phil, Reed, Bubba, Sabatini, those you wanna see crumble and fall apart or want to see win against the odds, that's why I watch golf, it's like watching a thriller unfold and something to relate to at the same time.

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