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#61 jaw2k9

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:49 AM

Perhaps Toulon can start making headcovers with dancing things on them (4 or 5 is it?) pointed crowns for example - and see what the response is.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 12:22 PM

View PostFairwayFred, on 01 December 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

View Postdeep18, on 01 December 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Not defending Scotty (or anyone else) but especially in putters, everyone copies everyone else.  Yes there are a few examples of a groundbreaking design (like when the 2 ball came out) but for the most part, everyone is just tweaking everyone else’s ideas and around and around we go.

Even the 2 ball was "inspired" by Dave Pelz 3 ball putter.

The 2-ball was Pelz's baby too. I know for a fact. He sold the concept to Odyssey.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 12:47 PM

Not a scotty fanboy but nothing is more blatant than the Columbus/Notchback.  Lol

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 12:49 PM

Karsten is one under appreciated dude in the history of golf design
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 01:03 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 03 December 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Karsten is one under appreciated dude in the history of golf design
Really?

If someone so much as calls something ‘Newport style’ or another name other than the Anser they get an instant, stern history lesson from the next poster. God forbid you use anything other than the absolutely original head shape name to describe a putter around here. I love old Ping putters, have many but I feel like Karsten gets his due regularly around the putter world.

I’d say TP Mills is much more under appreciated than Karsten.

EDIT: In the “under appreciated” file, check out old Kirk Currie putters. Ahead of their time in many ways. Lots of modern putters features like sole plates and face milling, etc. can be found in those KC and Slazenger lines.

Edited by Scotty1140, 03 December 2018 - 01:09 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:31 PM

Are we talking about a head cover lookalike? Come on, brahs.

Toulon makes great stuff. Else does Scotty C. But this is a head cover...
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 04:22 PM

Lets be honest, how many designs can you actually come up with in a putter? Were not talking cars here, were talking putters. And even then car companies copy each other. Actually every company that has a competitor copies the other to stay up to date and competitive.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 04:56 PM

I think the problem is Mr. Cameron never gives credit where and when credit is due.  There are all his "original ideas" and people call his bullshtein, that's all.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:09 PM

Scotty hasn't made a good putter since the Buttonback in my opinion. Every one of his "original" designs have been horrible, including his latest "Concept X". He's made a living on making copies of other people's designs, tweaking them minimally, then slapping his name on them with a huge mark up. I Don't think they're worth what they go for from a build perspective, but people will pay just too see 3 cherry bombs and his name stamped on it.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:34 PM

Timmy?


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:39 PM

Naming your putters after cities is not the same thing?

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:48 PM

View PostMisc1600, on 03 December 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

Naming your putters after cities is not the same thing?
Lol. Nice catch!

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 09:03 PM

View PostMisc1600, on 03 December 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

Naming your putters after cities is not the same thing?

Good point.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 09:19 PM

View PostMisc1600, on 03 December 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

Naming your putters after cities is not the same thing?

For real!  I’ve been saying it for years.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 05:43 AM

View PostGolfer4Life, on 03 December 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

View Postpgagreg1, on 03 December 2018 - 06:19 AM, said:

They say all publicity is good. Good for Sean and good for Scotty.
People have been hating on Scotty for a long time and he just keeps rolling along.
I guess he doesn't need any internet trolls approval to do what he does.

Oh yes, the good ol' internet troll argument.  Nice try and very classy commentary.

Cameron gets the comments he gets because of his own doing.

Hello old Friend
Scotty has always acknowledged TP Mills and Karsten was inspiration for much of what he did.
But it is never enough for some people, they will always hate. They will have stories of how Scotty has wronged them or their friends.
Every story has 2 sides and people will choose to believe what they want.

Some people call Scotty Xexor as if it is some kind of derogatory name. The name comes from Scottys early names on tour. In the late 80's and early 90's cast Ping putters dominated to PGA tour.
Scotty was out there trying to get players to try milled carbon steel putter heads. Many people believe the carbon steel has a more consistent feel and performance when compared to cast. Owing to the fact that cast putter heads sometimes contain air pockets that effect feel and performance. Tour players would give their cast gamer to Scotty and ask him to copy the putter in the new milled carbon steel he was pushing. The nickname Mr. Xerox came from the players on the PGA tour. I don't know how he personally feels about the nickname.

As to the headcover if you look at it  you can see there are differences if you want to. If you look at the world through colored glasses it is a GD exact duplicate. How dare he. :pimp:


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 05:48 AM

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:16 PM

View Postpgagreg1, on 04 December 2018 - 05:43 AM, said:

View PostGolfer4Life, on 03 December 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

View Postpgagreg1, on 03 December 2018 - 06:19 AM, said:

They say all publicity is good. Good for Sean and good for Scotty.
People have been hating on Scotty for a long time and he just keeps rolling along.
I guess he doesn't need any internet trolls approval to do what he does.

Oh yes, the good ol' internet troll argument.  Nice try and very classy commentary.

Cameron gets the comments he gets because of his own doing.

Hello old Friend
Scotty has always acknowledged TP Mills and Karsten was inspiration for much of what he did.
But it is never enough for some people, they will always hate. They will have stories of how Scotty has wronged them or their friends.
Every story has 2 sides and people will choose to believe what they want.

Some people call Scotty Xexor as if it is some kind of derogatory name. The name comes from Scottys early names on tour. In the late 80's and early 90's cast Ping putters dominated to PGA tour.
Scotty was out there trying to get players to try milled carbon steel putter heads. Many people believe the carbon steel has a more consistent feel and performance when compared to cast. Owing to the fact that cast putter heads sometimes contain air pockets that effect feel and performance. Tour players would give their cast gamer to Scotty and ask him to copy the putter in the new milled carbon steel he was pushing. The nickname Mr. Xerox came from the players on the PGA tour. I don't know how he personally feels about the nickname.

As to the headcover if you look at it  you can see there are differences if you want to. If you look at the world through colored glasses it is a GD exact duplicate. How dare he. :pimp:

I understand your explanation and at least it’s better than the “trolling” argument.  What I believe about Mr. Cameron is based on my own experience, which it was relatively substantial in relation to collecting and buying into the whole thing.  I saw and experienced many things that left a bad taste in my mouth and really dropped him from the pedestal I had him on.  

Disappointment is even too light to described how I felt back then.  But life goes on and my opinion of him and his practices will never change.  He’ll continue to do what he does and that’s about it, he doesn’t care what anybody thinks.

Edited by Golfer4Life, 04 December 2018 - 01:18 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 10:55 PM

View Postcxx, on 02 December 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

There have been very few original designs that worked since the ping designs.  Most successful new designs gained popularity through performance in the hands of PGA tour pros.  The #7 with the horns on the back and that taylormade spider come to mind. Not even sure who gets the credit for those?
LOL, literally, Sean Toulon. He was Executive VP of product creation during the Spider design. So it looks like he knows a thing or two about design innovation. Not to mention all of the other “classics” he’s worked on during his TMaG Days.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:10 PM

Scotty has hit a new low, surprising because I didn’t think his designs could get much worse.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:06 PM

View Postdommer, on 06 December 2018 - 01:10 PM, said:

Scotty has hit a new low, surprising because I didn’t think his designs could get much worse.

Guy...it’s a head cover...

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:59 PM

Is it too late to get my popcorn?
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:34 PM

View PostMarkFromTheUK, on 06 December 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

Is it too late to get my popcorn?

I don't know, do you like your PXG? :D

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:59 PM

I'm not a fan of Scotty Cameron but this is a non-issue. Anyone who knows racing knows these headcovers mimic the Gulf racing color scheme. If anyone should be mad it's Gulf--but they're not mad because they don't exist anymore.

Sean Toulon needs to shut his mouth and concentrate on making better putters.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:06 PM

Scotty's last original idea.....the awesome, beautiful......Detour
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:23 PM

Nah.... David had this long before the detour 😂

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:52 PM

Why does every company have irons, woods, hybrids, the same shape?  How dare they?

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 11:47 AM

View PostZach Heusser, on 07 December 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

Nah.... David had this long before the detour �

That's the Detour 2. The original Detour was much more hideous!
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Posted 08 December 2018 - 11:54 AM

View PostMeanmachinemoe, on 08 December 2018 - 11:47 AM, said:

View PostZach Heusser, on 07 December 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

Nah.... David had this long before the detour �

That's the Detour 2. The original Detour was much more hideous!
Even Pontiac had the good sense not to do an Aztec 2
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Posted 08 December 2018 - 12:00 PM

Roger dunn santa ana has the putter and headcover in stock

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Posted Yesterday, 08:24 AM

View PostSoCalTitleist, on 08 December 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

Roger dunn santa ana has the putter and headcover in stock
.Those guys like to add their own markup to any Titleist limited release.

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