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So will Tiger call a penalty on himself at his OWN TOURNAMENT?


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#61 nbg352

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:26 PM

View Postdalehead, on 30 November 2018 - 05:24 PM, said:

So let me get this straight. Rules officials are no longer going to use slow motion replay to review possible rules infractions? The new standard is ask the player and if he doesn't realize he goofed up there is no penalty?

Yep. If it can't be seen with the naked eye then all is good.
And that is exactly how it should be.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:29 PM

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

That was an incredibly stupid thing to say on the part of the rules official that supposedly said that.
Why is it stupid?

Because its speculation there is no way he can know what the player did or didn't feel, to claim otherwise is stupid.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:32 PM

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

That was an incredibly stupid thing to say on the part of the rules official that supposedly said that.
Why is it stupid?

Because its speculation there is no way he can know what the player did or didn't feel, to claim otherwise is stupid.

In which case it goes to the player, if the player says they could not tell, case closed.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:35 PM

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

That was an incredibly stupid thing to say on the part of the rules official that supposedly said that.
Why is it stupid?

Because its speculation there is no way he can know what the player did or didn't feel, to claim otherwise is stupid.
Exactly. Woods said he didn't feel anything. The official agreed that in hitting a shot such as this, it would be very difficult to feel a double hit. The fact that you think it's stupid is probably reason enough for you to stay away from any officiating role.......
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:38 PM

No penalty.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:43 PM

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

That was an incredibly stupid thing to say on the part of the rules official that supposedly said that.
Why is it stupid?

Because its speculation there is no way he can know what the player did or didn't feel, to claim otherwise is stupid.
Exactly. Woods said he didn't feel anything. The official agreed that in hitting a shot such as this, it would be very difficult to feel a double hit. The fact that you think it's stupid is probably reason enough for you to stay away from any officiating role.......

With the rule as it is once Woods said he didn't feel anything case closed, no need for the rules official to start speculating.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:46 PM

I reviewed that the film numerous times, there was definitely a backswing (2 inches maybe), so it was not a scoop or push.  At the same time I suspect that with such a short backswing that the ball was hit twice, however, the video did not show it.  Not sure it would be possible to get the ball out without a double hit and go that far.

With no evidence to the contrary, you have to go with the. players statement.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:48 PM

Yeah, it went about 10 feet, all of it down hill......
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:49 PM

The rule changes can't come soon enough to stop BS discussions like this.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:51 PM

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 05:26 PM, said:

View Postdalehead, on 30 November 2018 - 05:24 PM, said:

So let me get this straight. Rules officials are no longer going to use slow motion replay to review possible rules infractions? The new standard is ask the player and if he doesn't realize he goofed up there is no penalty?

Yep. If it can't be seen with the naked eye then all is good.
And that is exactly how it should be.

OK, no more video. No more guys calling up and saying "So and So" broke a rule. Thanks for clearing that up.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:53 PM

View PostKrt22, on 30 November 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

That was an incredibly stupid thing to say on the part of the rules official that supposedly said that.
Why is it stupid?

Because its speculation there is no way he can know what the player did or didn't feel, to claim otherwise is stupid.

In which case it goes to the player, if the player says they could not tell, case closed.
Not quite completely true. If video at regular speed and not too "zoomed"  is a clear double hit or scoop it would be a penalty.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:56 PM

It’s his event, don’t ruin the party guys 😏😏

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:01 PM

View PostShilgy, on 30 November 2018 - 05:53 PM, said:

View PostKrt22, on 30 November 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

That was an incredibly stupid thing to say on the part of the rules official that supposedly said that.
Why is it stupid?

Because its speculation there is no way he can know what the player did or didn't feel, to claim otherwise is stupid.

In which case it goes to the player, if the player says they could not tell, case closed.
Not quite completely true. If video at regular speed and not too "zoomed"  is a clear double hit or scoop it would be a penalty.
By "too zoomed" I suspect that means that it cannot be zoomed more than that which would be considered the view provided by the "naked" eye of a normally sighted person...

Edited by nbg352, 30 November 2018 - 06:02 PM.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:08 PM

Would have like to see the comments on this board if Poulter had done the same “shot” 😂😂

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:15 PM

He held the club behind the ball and used all wrists. I’ve done it before. The ball came out soft because he probably hit a lot of obstruction before it hit the ball. No penalty.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:16 PM

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:17 PM

If thats not cheating it must be OK to just drag the ball into the hole with your putter, from 10 yards, 20 yards, wherever you like.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:18 PM

View PostFrankensteins Monster, on 30 November 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

He held the club behind the ball and used all wrists. I’ve done it before. The ball came out soft because he probably hit a lot of obstruction before it hit the ball. No penalty.
it came out soft because he was dragging it!
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:19 PM

Wonder if TC Chen felt a second hit?
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:20 PM

View PostSteele47, on 30 November 2018 - 04:43 PM, said:

View Postwildcatden, on 30 November 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

Geez Tiger, it's the Hero Challenge not Augusta. Just take an unplayable and proceed.


Perhaps this was a test run in prep for Augusta.
Not sure why he didn't take an unplayable? Looks like it would have been a drop in the native sandy area. Which isn't that bad.

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Geez Tiger, it's the Hero Challenge not Augusta. Just take an unplayable and proceed.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:25 PM

View PostLondoner, on 30 November 2018 - 06:17 PM, said:

If thats not cheating it must be OK to just drag the ball into the hole with your putter, from 10 yards, 20 yards, wherever you like.

And if you miss the hole you can also stop the ball from going too far away 😂😂

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:26 PM

View Posttatertot, on 30 November 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

Wonder if TC Chen felt a second hit?

Doesn't matter what he felt. You can clearly see with the naked eye at full speed that there was a double hit. In Tiger's case the ONLY way you know that the ball was scooped was because of high definition slow motion replay
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:34 PM

View PostNikeNerd, on 30 November 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

View Posttatertot, on 30 November 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

Wonder if TC Chen felt a second hit?

Doesn't matter what he felt. You can clearly see with the naked eye at full speed that there was a double hit. In Tiger's case the ONLY way you know that the ball was scooped was because of high definition slow motion replay

Thank you for stating the fact,  he did scooped the ball.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:35 PM

View Postimakaveli, on 30 November 2018 - 06:25 PM, said:

View PostLondoner, on 30 November 2018 - 06:17 PM, said:

If thats not cheating it must be OK to just drag the ball into the hole with your putter, from 10 yards, 20 yards, wherever you like.

And if you miss the hole you can also stop the ball from going too far away ����
just keep dragging it in a loop and have another go.  ��
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:36 PM

He didn't have much (any?) of a backswing which is okay if he was addressing the club well behind the ball. I can't tell from these camera angles if that is the case.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:39 PM

Well if that was not scooped out of there then show me what is. That ball was on the club face for about 10/12 inches. I think we'll see more of this on the tour now this has been passed.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:40 PM

Oh come on guys. He dragged it out with the club! Its cheating plain and simple.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:40 PM

View Posttatertot, on 30 November 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

Wonder if TC Chen felt a second hit?
Yep, according to his interview, he said he felt it.
It was also visible to the naked eye. No slo mo or zooming of cameras was necessary. Everyone in the vicinity saw it very clearly.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:42 PM

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And the double hit rule goes away at the end of the year.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:43 PM

View PostLondoner, on 30 November 2018 - 06:40 PM, said:

Oh come on guys. He dragged it out with the club! Its cheating plain and simple.
How can a ball that is ahead of him be dragged forward when Woods was behind it?
That is not possible...

Edited by nbg352, 30 November 2018 - 06:46 PM.

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