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So will Tiger call a penalty on himself at his OWN TOURNAMENT?


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#31 the bishop

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 03:49 PM

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 03:49 PM

View Postgolfnoob25, on 30 November 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

Video?

I don't have it... perhaps someone else does.  If all else fails, Golf Channel replays the entire round later today.  Set that DVR!

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 03:52 PM

View Postgolfnoob25, on 30 November 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

Video?



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Posted 30 November 2018 - 03:57 PM

wow... that doesn't look good.... :busted_cop:

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 03:59 PM

Maybe the Great One will weigh in.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:03 PM

Sweet jai alai move Tiger.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:05 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 30 November 2018 - 03:52 PM, said:

View Postgolfnoob25, on 30 November 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

Video?



Surprised a guy with bad ankles can even make contact on that kind of shot.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:07 PM

He can get the leaves outta my front yard with that move.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:09 PM

He should have done ......

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:16 PM

Lol that one angle looks like an attempt, the other one looks like he is moving the ball through the sand. I can't stop laughing.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:17 PM

Thatís just how he compresses it.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:19 PM

Got to wonder if they would have called a penalty on him if he had actually hand -grenaded it out of the bushes.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:35 PM

View PostDavePelz4, on 30 November 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

He can get the leaves outta my front yard with that move.

California could have used his help to prevent wild fires

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:38 PM

Geez Tiger, it's the Hero Challenge not Augusta. Just take an unplayable and proceed.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:43 PM

View Postwildcatden, on 30 November 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

Geez Tiger, it's the Hero Challenge not Augusta. Just take an unplayable and proceed.


Perhaps this was a test run in prep for Augusta.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:45 PM

View PostSteele47, on 30 November 2018 - 04:43 PM, said:

View Postwildcatden, on 30 November 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

Geez Tiger, it's the Hero Challenge not Augusta. Just take an unplayable and proceed.


Perhaps this was a test run in prep for Augusta.

Gusta be like

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:45 PM

Not the first time heís been cavalier with the rules. Any 10 handicap can feel it when they double hit a chip, no way Tiger Woods couldnít feel that.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:47 PM

definite scoopage. definite cheating.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:50 PM

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Not the first time he's been cavalier with the rules. Any 10 handicap can feel it when they double hit a chip, no way Tiger Woods couldn't feel that.
Even the guy that coined the "cavalier" line says it was okay per the rules. Which just like in the Senden ruling people are posting what they think should happen rather than playing by the rules.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:54 PM

View Postgolfandfishing, on 30 November 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

Not the first time he’s been cavalier with the rules. Any 10 handicap can feel it when they double hit a chip, no way Tiger Woods couldn’t feel that.
Not according to the authority that said he would NOT have felt it......

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:55 PM

View Postgolfandfishing, on 30 November 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

Not the first time he's been cavalier with the rules. Any 10 handicap can feel it when they double hit a chip, no way Tiger Woods couldn't feel that.
From the rough, standard chip, mega decel in to the ball..sure

Under a bush in a dodgey lie with a whacky swing, I doubt it.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:59 PM

View Postnbg352, on 30 November 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

View Postgolfandfishing, on 30 November 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

Not the first time he’s been cavalier with the rules. Any 10 handicap can feel it when they double hit a chip, no way Tiger Woods couldn’t feel that.
Not according to the authority that said he would NOT have felt it......

That was an incredibly stupid thing to say on the part of the rules official that supposedly said that.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:02 PM

Well that's a precedent another pro is going to point to at some time and not in a positive way.

Anyone who has played the game knows that with such a long follow through after such a short backswing it's hockey time and the direction the ball comes out only confirms that. You just can't move the ball 10ft or so with such a short backswing and a single hit.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:02 PM

View PostShilgy, on 30 November 2018 - 04:50 PM, said:

View Postgolfandfishing, on 30 November 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

Not the first time he's been cavalier with the rules. Any 10 handicap can feel it when they double hit a chip, no way Tiger Woods couldn't feel that.
Even the guy that coined the "cavalier" line says it was okay per the rules. Which just like in the Senden ruling people are posting what they think should happen rather than playing by the rules.

Weird situation where the no penalty is certainly the right application of the rules based on what can be seen, as we cannot see what TW feels. We have to take his word that he didnít feel it, and he has a long history of not being forthcoming with the truth. Resembles a WWF match where the ref is distracted by someone outside the ring while the Iron Shiek pummels Jake the Snake with a chair. Canít see it, player wonít own up to it - no penalty. Itís the correct ruling based on what is on video, but to think the greatest (or second) player of all time canít tell if he hit a ball 2x is ridiculous. Just another instance of TW playing us all for fools.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:06 PM

View PostBenSeattle, on 30 November 2018 - 03:38 PM, said:

View PostLottaouts, on 30 November 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

If it was SICJAM, the officials would have quickly DQed him because he is a known cheater at golf and life.  As for Tiger...well, it is his tournament.


Sorry... we all know who "FIGJAM" is.... but who's this SICJAM of which you speak?
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:10 PM

It was a rule change that saved Tiger this time around.  No, I don't think he intentionally tried to circumvent the rule by playing hockey from the bush; sure, he scraped it out with a no-backswing-forward-shove that -- at the very least -- resulted in a double hit, one that... in my eyes … even Tiger would be hard-pressed to detect.  Watching live, I didn't see or hear the shove/scoop/carry but it became clear in replays that's EXACTLY what happened.  Ah, but that's where the new rule involving HD TV came in.  Without going to the trouble of actually poring over the rule book, the recent update says that if a player can't detect it and it can't be observed with the naked eye -- only with hi-def's modern technology -- then there's no penalty.  Weird, huh?  BECAUSE A VIOLATION CLEARLY HAPPENED.  It's just no longer going to cost a player strokes.  

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:18 PM

View PostOldTomMorris, on 30 November 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:


That was an incredibly stupid thing to say on the part of the rules official that supposedly said that.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:20 PM

View PostBenSeattle, on 30 November 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

It was a rule change that saved Tiger this time around.  No, I don't think he intentionally tried to circumvent the rule by playing hockey from the bush; sure, he scraped it out with a no-backswing-forward-shove that -- at the very least -- resulted in a double hit, one that... in my eyes … even Tiger would be hard-pressed to detect.  Watching live, I didn't see or hear the shove/scoop/carry but it became clear in replays that's EXACTLY what happened.  Ah, but that's where the new rule involving HD TV came in.  Without going to the trouble of actually poring over the rule book, the recent update says that if a player can't detect it and it can't be observed with the naked eye -- only with hi-def's modern technology -- then there's no penalty.  Weird, huh?  BECAUSE A VIOLATION CLEARLY HAPPENED.  It's just no longer going to cost a player strokes.  

Oh yeah... you want another example of a high-profile golfer getting off Scott-free because of a change?  Read up on how Phil Mickelson could very well be behind bars today except for a gap in a law that let him escape a conviction for Insider Trading:

https://www.golfdige...-trading-escape
I would say it was clear in the one replay-not replays. Just the one from in front in slow motion did it look wonky.  I thought the backswing was plenty long to hit the ball 20 feet.

View Postgolfandfishing, on 30 November 2018 - 05:02 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 30 November 2018 - 04:50 PM, said:

View Postgolfandfishing, on 30 November 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

Not the first time he's been cavalier with the rules. Any 10 handicap can feel it when they double hit a chip, no way Tiger Woods couldn't feel that.
Even the guy that coined the "cavalier" line says it was okay per the rules. Which just like in the Senden ruling people are posting what they think should happen rather than playing by the rules.

Weird situation where the no penalty is certainly the right application of the rules based on what can be seen, as we cannot see what TW feels. We have to take his word that he didn't feel it, and he has a long history of not being forthcoming with the truth. Resembles a WWF match where the ref is distracted by someone outside the ring while the Iron Shiek pummels Jake the Snake with a chair. Can't see it, player won't own up to it - no penalty. It's the correct ruling based on what is on video, but to think the greatest (or second) player of all time can't tell if he hit a ball 2x is ridiculous. Just another instance of TW playing us all for fools.
  What is the "long history" you speak of? The Masters where he kept the wrong entry point in mind? The event with Wittenberg where he went by Casey's(his playing partner) pov?  The ball that settled that would likely have been no penalty with the new HD rule?  The boulder that was a moveable object with help and clearly by the rules?
  Is that a long history for the guy whose every move is more scrutinized and televised than any other player?
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:22 PM

View PostShilgy, on 30 November 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

View PostBenSeattle, on 30 November 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

It was a rule change that saved Tiger this time around.  No, I don't think he intentionally tried to circumvent the rule by playing hockey from the bush; sure, he scraped it out with a no-backswing-forward-shove that -- at the very least -- resulted in a double hit, one that... in my eyes … even Tiger would be hard-pressed to detect.  Watching live, I didn't see or hear the shove/scoop/carry but it became clear in replays that's EXACTLY what happened.  Ah, but that's where the new rule involving HD TV came in.  Without going to the trouble of actually poring over the rule book, the recent update says that if a player can't detect it and it can't be observed with the naked eye -- only with hi-def's modern technology -- then there's no penalty.  Weird, huh?  BECAUSE A VIOLATION CLEARLY HAPPENED.  It's just no longer going to cost a player strokes.  

Oh yeah... you want another example of a high-profile golfer getting off Scott-free because of a change?  Read up on how Phil Mickelson could very well be behind bars today except for a gap in a law that let him escape a conviction for Insider Trading:

https://www.golfdige...-trading-escape
I would say it was clear in the one replay-not replays. Just the one from in front in slow motion did it look wonky.  I thought the backswing was plenty long to hit the ball 20 feet.

View Postgolfandfishing, on 30 November 2018 - 05:02 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 30 November 2018 - 04:50 PM, said:

View Postgolfandfishing, on 30 November 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

Not the first time he's been cavalier with the rules. Any 10 handicap can feel it when they double hit a chip, no way Tiger Woods couldn't feel that.
Even the guy that coined the "cavalier" line says it was okay per the rules. Which just like in the Senden ruling people are posting what they think should happen rather than playing by the rules.

Weird situation where the no penalty is certainly the right application of the rules based on what can be seen, as we cannot see what TW feels. We have to take his word that he didn't feel it, and he has a long history of not being forthcoming with the truth. Resembles a WWF match where the ref is distracted by someone outside the ring while the Iron Shiek pummels Jake the Snake with a chair. Can't see it, player won't own up to it - no penalty. It's the correct ruling based on what is on video, but to think the greatest (or second) player of all time can't tell if he hit a ball 2x is ridiculous. Just another instance of TW playing us all for fools.
  What is the "long history" you speak of? The Masters where he kept the wrong entry point in mind? The event with Wittenberg where he went by Casey's(his playing partner) pov?  The ball that settled that would likely have been no penalty with the new HD rule?  The boulder that was a moveable object with help and clearly by the rules?
  Is that a long history for the guy whose every move is more scrutinized and televised than any other player?
They don't want the truth Shilg. They will attack Woods regardless. It's what they do.....

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:24 PM

So let me get this straight. Rules officials are no longer going to use slow motion replay to review possible rules infractions? The new standard is ask the player and if he doesn't realize he goofed up there is no penalty?


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