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Trail hand in putting

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#1 darecki

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 06:40 AM

Hello, I have a question, what is the best way to stabilize the trail hand putter takeaway? Is it a matter of grip style or rather of a grip size? Or perhaps something related to technique? I can see my putter head is vey unstable when taking away. Thanks.


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#2 Maximilian

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 08:48 AM

Hi!

Are you asking what to do about your right hand (if you are playing right handed)? Is it too active you think?

If your putter is unstable in the takeaway, I'm guessing it might either be that you are not in a neutral setup, causing your hands/arms to not follow your natural arc/path without manipulating it. Or it could be as I asked above, that you are simply too active with your right hand.

Where does the motion stem from in your stroke? Shoulders, arms, elbows, wrists, torso, combination of some of them? You will find great putters who drive the stroke with all of those parts, but it might be worth experimenting with trying to start the stroke with some other group of muscles than you are doing now, to see if that helps stabilise the putter.

Many people who feel their right hand is too dominant find success by going left hand low, claw grip, or by placing the hands right next to each other or on top of each other. A larger grip may help with that. Basically, just place your hands in some manner that makes your left hand/arm more dominant than the right, so the right side just follows along for the ride. For me personally, I have much more feel and control in my right arm than I do my left, so that is something that never worked for me. I do need to make sure my right elbow doesn't go pointing outwards though, because that causes me to move the putter head outside too much.

I understand I'm most likely not pinpointing your problem here, but hopefully it will give you something to think about and try! Good luck!

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 03:04 PM

take the putter back with the shoulders not the hands.  Think "one piece".  And whatever you do, stop watching the putter head and focus on the ball!

Good luck!

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 04:10 PM

For me finding a putter that fit my stroke helped alot. I have a slight to strong arc so when i used face balanced putters id bring it back outside and reroute to inside. Always seemed wobbly going back. Also i see guys try and take the putter back really slow and it looks forced not natural so go with a natural speed takeaway.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 10:25 PM

stand about 6-8 inches from the ball parallel to your target line, bending forward about 45°,  your left eye over the ball,  with your hands under your shoulders, and you'll be in a good position to rock your
shoulders around your spine or head, creating a pendulum like stroke.

Your shaft will move straight back and through but the putter head will project a slight arc (10°)on the
ground - your putter is now "on plane" and very stable throughout the stroke.


Hope this helped
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:33 AM

Thanks to all who responded. Yes I think my right hand is too active because I am a heavily right-handed guy.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:37 AM

For me the claw was the solution. I found my right hand trying to “guide” the putter head back which would usually lead to it going back shut and outside. With the claw, I also try to feel my right elbow tucked into my right pants pocket. Obviously this is not “do able” but for me, it positions my right arm under my shoulders  and doesn’t allow me to take it outside.

I suggest the claw but you should try to find something that works for you. Putting is very individual.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:26 AM

View Postdarecki, on 03 December 2018 - 05:33 AM, said:

Thanks to all who responded. Yes I think my right hand is too active because I am a heavily right-handed guy.

Grip it more firmly in your left hand - the right hand is along for the ride. The hands are together as Ben Crenshaw would say but you will have more relaxed pressure in the left hand.

I have a similar issue - it's mental going back even in a rock the shoulders one piece takeaway. I've quickened the speed of the stroke to .9-1 second and go for a 2:1 tempo.

I've even taken the right hand off the grip so it surrounds the left hand ala the Pat O'Brien (SeeMore) Hand Putting Grip. But not staying over the ball, letting the air out of you to relax and then immediately taking the stroke in a good rhythm and speed seems to work. I'm great on the practice green and fine on about 12/18 greens, but it's a mental issue for me.

Edited by SwingMan, 03 December 2018 - 10:27 AM.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 05:30 AM

OK, I will try all methods.

Another thing I've noticed which I think is bad is that my wobbling backswing is longer than my foreswing after hitting the ball. Perhaps this is also related to my problems.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 08:08 AM

I know the issue of an overactive right hand and tried pretty much everything there is (hell, I even went side-saddle for a 27-hole stretch early this year). I recently started putting with an arm-lock putter (kuchar method) and there is nothing out there for me that takes the hands out as much as armlock.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 08:40 AM

Just because this is a topic I think is interesting to discuss, I'm going to play devil's advocate here:

You often hear suggestions to take the right hand out of the stroke. Lot's of great teachers suggest moving the whole triangle as a whole. But... There are also many great teachers who have a different approach. Many will have a new student start out putting balls with only one arm, than switch to the other arm. When they have determined which arm you had an easier time with, this will be the dominant arm in your stroke. And there are many great examples of both kinds of players. Stricker is very left arm dominant in his putting stroke, Tiger is very right arm dominant in his putting stroke.

I'm just a random guy on the Internet so take it for what it's worth, but when you say that "I think my right hand is too active because I am a heavily right-handed guy", this makes me skeptical about you being able to find any natural feel for distance by taking your right side out of the stroke, without having to practice a huge amount of time.

Same with the follow through, lot's of great putters have very short follow throughs, Brandt Snedeker goes to the extent of saying "Follow through is the most overrated thing in putting". So just because some teachers may advocate a longer follow through, does not necessarily mean it's the only way to do it.

I get you are asking questions here because you are having issues with your putting, so I'm not suggesting that you should ignore all advice and continue with what you are doing. I would just recommend that you at least question and think about why you believe you are too right arm dominant and have a too short follow through. What issus are they causing you? This may, but also may not be the problem you are having with a wobbly back stroke. As I said in my first post, to me it sounds more like a setup issue than anything else, but of course I have never seen you putt, so I'm just guessing.

​If you would really like to feel what a more shoulder driven stroke feels like, I can highly recommend the Garsen G Max grip. I'm not affiliated with them, I'm just a fan, because it automatically makes your stroke more shoulder driven without you having to do much. I actually don't use that grip any more because after a while I realised that I do need to have more of an arm swing for me to get a better feel for distance. But that grip taught me a lot and puts you in a very natural setup.

Cheers,
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 10:06 AM

How about methods to take the lead hand out of the stroke?

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:30 PM

View PostJunkerJorge, on 04 December 2018 - 10:06 AM, said:

How about methods to take the lead hand out of the stroke?
For me it's more of a feel thing, I just feel like I'm bowling the ball with my right hand. I'm very much a right handed person, so I don't have to think about letting it dominate the stroke, it just happens. But here is an interesting video that definitely takes one of your arms out of the stroke. It's a little extreme for me personally, but I understand the logic and I'm sure it's effective for many people. Can be used for either left or right arm.

https://youtu.be/ITRaVI6lDPE

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Posted Yesterday, 08:08 AM

Hi all, I checked many possibilities and I obtained the best results by placing the ball further from my body. No wobbling takeaway any more. Elbows are nicely at sides of my torso. However, not having my eyes almost over ther ball brought another problem which is pulling the ball left on a constant basis. Any thoughts? Thanks.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:37 AM

In that case, it sounds like maybe you are not bringing the head enough on the inside of the line on the way back. If you are standing further from the ball and take the putter back too straight, it is very easy to close the head too soon on the way forward. More free flowing, less rigid. :) Try that and let me know.


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