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Does a goofy golf hole in one still count as a hole in one?


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#31 zonadub

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 12:07 AM

View PostFerguson, on 26 November 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

Great story and I'm glad you made the shot.

This description says it all - "makeshift tee box setup behind the 9th green, hitting over a pond to the 18th green"


My conclusions:

Anything "makeshift" does not constitute an official golf hole.

You must ask yourself - will another golfer one week from now, one year from now or 10 years from now be able to replicate your shot from the contrived 157 yards from a makeshift tee box ?


The answer to this question and the "main" question, "did you make a hole-in-one" share the same answer.

The answer is, no.

They can set up the course the same way in following years, 1 year, 10 years and players will have the opportunity to replicate your ace. . 157 yards in 1 shot is a hole in one.

So yes, the answer to both questions is yes.

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 12:34 AM

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 12:50 AM

i don't really understand the question.  I guess, "to whom?"  If it was my hole-in-one, it'd be what it is.  Unique, a little outside the norm, a great story, but I guess I'd still want to hit one on a setup that was on the scorecard.  But I'd probably prefer this to a regular ace because it's a great story.
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 06:36 AM

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i don't really understand the question.  I guess, "to whom?"  If it was my hole-in-one, it'd be what it is.  Unique, a little outside the norm, a great story, but I guess I'd still want to hit one on a setup that was on the scorecard.  But I'd probably prefer this to a regular ace because it's a great story.


Not taking anything away from the holed shot - this is more than a typical "outside the norm" sort of circumstance.    
It was a contrived hole.

As far as saying you have a preference for this holed shot over a regular ace.  
How many aces do you have to make that sort of "run of the mill" comparison sort of statement.

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 07:28 AM

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View PostLefty96, on 26 November 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

I am honestly surprised so many people are being so negative about it. He hit from where the tee blocks were set up to the designated green and it when in the hole. That is how the hole was supposed to be played that day. It was a par 3. Its not like the tee was 20 yards away from the green. Its not like he said "Hey should I try to hit the 18th green from here?" and it went in. No, that was how the course was set up that day and he aced the hole. I am actually pretty disappointed in the brashness of the nay-sayers.


"So many people" ????

It was only me and LARRYBUD who didn't acquiesce.

And I don't know now "negative" I am about it.  Was it a good shot?  Sure.   I just personally wouldn't "count" it, whatever that may mean to the player.  I mean it's not like there any official status or anything except checking it off your bucket list.  Maybe it means something when someone asks "how many aces do you have?" ??

To the people who would "count" it, how long of a hole would it have to be for it to "not count"?  People seem to be stuck on the fact that it was 157 yards.
What about 100 yards?
80?
50?

What makes one yardage any more or less legit?

When someone asks what hole did you make an ace on, what's the answer? "Well, it was this goofy golf shamble.  They setup this hole where...."

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 09:48 AM

There is no minimum yardage. He hit it from the designated teeing ground and the ball went into the hole
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 10:32 AM

I'd 100% count it- congratulations!

FWIW, I'm pretty liberal with this, but there are a few cases I would question:

1. Oversized hole would definitely be a negative asterisk and make it unofficial in my mind.

2. A made up hole with crazy short yardage...a hole out in a shoot-out chip off would be a good story, but hard to count.

Had your hole been 40 yards, then I'd be looking at your next as your first real one, but at 157, your next will be your 2nd.
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 10:52 AM

In the discussion here on this particular shot, it seems like the vast majority fall on the side of yes, it was a hole in one. I'm guessing the determining factor for many of those is the yardage of this shot - 157 yards is absolutely a legit hole-in-one yardage. I think if the OP had come one here and told this exact story but with a 60 yard shot, most everyone would likely vote no. What if it was say 95 yards? I wonder how the yes's and no's would be split then. With this particular question, what do you think the yardage tipping point would be where people go from a no to a yes?

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 10:59 AM

View PostFerguson, on 27 November 2018 - 06:36 AM, said:

View Postwmblake2000, on 27 November 2018 - 12:50 AM, said:

i don't really understand the question.  I guess, "to whom?"  If it was my hole-in-one, it'd be what it is.  Unique, a little outside the norm, a great story, but I guess I'd still want to hit one on a setup that was on the scorecard.  But I'd probably prefer this to a regular ace because it's a great story.


Not taking anything away from the holed shot - this is more than a typical "outside the norm" sort of circumstance.
It was a contrived hole.

As far as saying you have a preference for this holed shot over a regular ace.  
How many aces do you have to make that sort of "run of the mill" comparison sort of statement.

Haha. Busted.  I have precisely ... zero ... aces of any kind and I've been playing since mid 60's.  In fact I have only seen one, and that was last year.  (3 Jack Par (who posts sometimes here) jarred a 7 iron from 170, tore the cup.)  That's a lot of golf over a lot of time with a lot of people to have only seen one!
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 07:45 PM

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In the discussion here on this particular shot, it seems like the vast majority fall on the side of yes, it was a hole in one. I'm guessing the determining factor for many of those is the yardage of this shot - 157 yards is absolutely a legit hole-in-one yardage. I think if the OP had come one here and told this exact story but with a 60 yard shot, most everyone would likely vote no. What if it was say 95 yards? I wonder how the yes's and no's would be split then. With this particular question, what do you think the yardage tipping point would be where people go from a no to a yes?
Prior to the Tiger-Phil match, I think anything under a 100 or 110 would have gotten more nos. After that match, I guess the distance might have dropped some. My thinking is that I regularly play a par 69 that is just under 5900 from the tip with 6 par 3s as well as some longer courses in the area. None of the par 3s are less than 115 from the back tees, although there are some shorter holes up from the red tees.

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 08:15 PM

It's legit, be proud you got one...

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 09:41 PM

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Every golfers worst nightmare. You make your first hole in one and there is something quirky about it that makes you question whether it's real. For most people this probably happens when they make an ace playing alone. For me, it happened in a goofy winter tournament setup......

The annual Turkey Shoot.....a no pressure, mostly drinking event, where the pros get to have some fun in setting up the layout. What this entails is setting up most of the course to play backwards (example, play from 13 tee back to 12 green, or play a par 5 spread across multiple holes). So we get to what is our 16th hole of the day.....makeshift teebox setup behind the 9th green, hitting over a pond to the 18th green....157 yards. I knew I hit a good shot right at the flag but thought it might have been a little long (couldn't see the hole from the tee).....my playing partners looked around and sure enough my ball was in the hole........let the screaming and bourbon shots ensue.

Now i'm faced with the tough question. Was this a real hole in one??? My playing partners definitely say yes, I'm inclined to say yes, but there were a few rumblings in the clubhouse about it not being legit.

Not legit....rule 772(a)(2) states you should have played the normal hole.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 08:19 AM

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View Postpdhoff, on 26 November 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

Every golfers worst nightmare. You make your first hole in one and there is something quirky about it that makes you question whether it's real. For most people this probably happens when they make an ace playing alone. For me, it happened in a goofy winter tournament setup......

The annual Turkey Shoot.....a no pressure, mostly drinking event, where the pros get to have some fun in setting up the layout. What this entails is setting up most of the course to play backwards (example, play from 13 tee back to 12 green, or play a par 5 spread across multiple holes). So we get to what is our 16th hole of the day.....makeshift teebox setup behind the 9th green, hitting over a pond to the 18th green....157 yards. I knew I hit a good shot right at the flag but thought it might have been a little long (couldn't see the hole from the tee).....my playing partners looked around and sure enough my ball was in the hole........let the screaming and bourbon shots ensue.

Now i'm faced with the tough question. Was this a real hole in one??? My playing partners definitely say yes, I'm inclined to say yes, but there were a few rumblings in the clubhouse about it not being legit.

Not legit....rule 772(a)(2) states you should have played the normal hole.
What rule is that?
I'm not an expert on the rule book but I can't even figure out what you are referencing.
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Posted 29 November 2018 - 09:51 AM

View Postlarrybud, on 27 November 2018 - 07:28 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 26 November 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

View PostLefty96, on 26 November 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

I am honestly surprised so many people are being so negative about it. He hit from where the tee blocks were set up to the designated green and it when in the hole. That is how the hole was supposed to be played that day. It was a par 3. Its not like the tee was 20 yards away from the green. Its not like he said "Hey should I try to hit the 18th green from here?" and it went in. No, that was how the course was set up that day and he aced the hole. I am actually pretty disappointed in the brashness of the nay-sayers.


"So many people" ????

It was only me and LARRYBUD who didn't acquiesce.

And I don't know now "negative" I am about it.  Was it a good shot?  Sure.   I just personally wouldn't "count" it, whatever that may mean to the player.  I mean it's not like there any official status or anything except checking it off your bucket list.  Maybe it means something when someone asks "how many aces do you have?" ??

To the people who would "count" it, how long of a hole would it have to be for it to "not count"?  People seem to be stuck on the fact that it was 157 yards.
What about 100 yards?
80?
50?

What makes one yardage any more or less legit?

When someone asks what hole did you make an ace on, what's the answer? "Well, it was this goofy golf shamble.  They setup this hole where...."

Were stuck on 157 because that's what it was. So it's relevant to the question

Yes if it was 50 I'm sure responses would be different especially on a makeshift course

But 157 is legit , that's a respectable par 3 yardage. Reasonable people can agree that 50-75 yards is not a common par 3 yardage

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 12:12 PM

For you guys tied up in the length argument... another hypothetical: Mr. Tour pro who averages 320 off the tee decides to play a friendly round with his wife and mother, and in the interest of being sociable leaves his driver at home and plays up on the red tees. He jars a shot on one of the par 3s...does he count it as a hole in one? For those in the "yes but with an asterisk," what if it happens to be a very long hole that plays 160 even from the ladies tees... does that change anything?


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Posted 29 November 2018 - 04:27 PM

Did you play a single hole of golf, and only use one shot to hole the ball? If you answered yes, then you made a hole in one. Let everyone else try and conjure up whatever bizarre criteria they can, but you made a hole in one.
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Posted 29 November 2018 - 08:52 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 29 November 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:

View Postlarrybud, on 27 November 2018 - 07:28 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 26 November 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

View PostLefty96, on 26 November 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

I am honestly surprised so many people are being so negative about it. He hit from where the tee blocks were set up to the designated green and it when in the hole. That is how the hole was supposed to be played that day. It was a par 3. Its not like the tee was 20 yards away from the green. Its not like he said "Hey should I try to hit the 18th green from here?" and it went in. No, that was how the course was set up that day and he aced the hole. I am actually pretty disappointed in the brashness of the nay-sayers.


"So many people" ????

It was only me and LARRYBUD who didn't acquiesce.

And I don't know now "negative" I am about it.  Was it a good shot?  Sure.   I just personally wouldn't "count" it, whatever that may mean to the player.  I mean it's not like there any official status or anything except checking it off your bucket list.  Maybe it means something when someone asks "how many aces do you have?" ??

To the people who would "count" it, how long of a hole would it have to be for it to "not count"?  People seem to be stuck on the fact that it was 157 yards.
What about 100 yards?
80?
50?

What makes one yardage any more or less legit?

When someone asks what hole did you make an ace on, what's the answer? "Well, it was this goofy golf shamble.  They setup this hole where...."

Were stuck on 157 because that's what it was. So it's relevant to the question

Yes if it was 50 I'm sure responses would be different especially on a makeshift course

But 157 is legit , that's a respectable par 3 yardage. Reasonable people can agree that 50-75 yards is not a common par 3 yardage

That's what I'm asking, what's your dividing line that you say no?  I thought that it's a makeshift course doesn't matter?

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 09:00 PM

View Postrcb1586, on 29 November 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

View PostFourTops, on 28 November 2018 - 09:41 PM, said:

View Postpdhoff, on 26 November 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

Every golfers worst nightmare. You make your first hole in one and there is something quirky about it that makes you question whether it's real. For most people this probably happens when they make an ace playing alone. For me, it happened in a goofy winter tournament setup......

The annual Turkey Shoot.....a no pressure, mostly drinking event, where the pros get to have some fun in setting up the layout. What this entails is setting up most of the course to play backwards (example, play from 13 tee back to 12 green, or play a par 5 spread across multiple holes). So we get to what is our 16th hole of the day.....makeshift teebox setup behind the 9th green, hitting over a pond to the 18th green....157 yards. I knew I hit a good shot right at the flag but thought it might have been a little long (couldn't see the hole from the tee).....my playing partners looked around and sure enough my ball was in the hole........let the screaming and bourbon shots ensue.

Now i'm faced with the tough question. Was this a real hole in one??? My playing partners definitely say yes, I'm inclined to say yes, but there were a few rumblings in the clubhouse about it not being legit.

Not legit....rule 772(a)(2) states you should have played the normal hole.
What rule is that?
I'm not an expert on the rule book but I can't even figure out what you are referencing.

Not a sanctioned golf hole per the course.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 09:28 PM

Two words ... le git

The hole was set up harder than normal for heaven's sake
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 12:10 AM

Great story and great hole in one !!!! :-) cheers!!!


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 07:45 AM

And you have the only hole in one that will ever be had on that hole!

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 07:52 AM

View PostFourTops, on 29 November 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

View Postrcb1586, on 29 November 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

View PostFourTops, on 28 November 2018 - 09:41 PM, said:

View Postpdhoff, on 26 November 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

Every golfers worst nightmare. You make your first hole in one and there is something quirky about it that makes you question whether it's real. For most people this probably happens when they make an ace playing alone. For me, it happened in a goofy winter tournament setup......

The annual Turkey Shoot.....a no pressure, mostly drinking event, where the pros get to have some fun in setting up the layout. What this entails is setting up most of the course to play backwards (example, play from 13 tee back to 12 green, or play a par 5 spread across multiple holes). So we get to what is our 16th hole of the day.....makeshift teebox setup behind the 9th green, hitting over a pond to the 18th green....157 yards. I knew I hit a good shot right at the flag but thought it might have been a little long (couldn't see the hole from the tee).....my playing partners looked around and sure enough my ball was in the hole........let the screaming and bourbon shots ensue.

Now i'm faced with the tough question. Was this a real hole in one??? My playing partners definitely say yes, I'm inclined to say yes, but there were a few rumblings in the clubhouse about it not being legit.

Not legit....rule 772(a)(2) states you should have played the normal hole.
What rule is that?
I'm not an expert on the rule book but I can't even figure out what you are referencing.

Not a sanctioned golf hole per the course.

Or, not a sanctioned rule per the ROG.

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#53 MtlJeff

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 09:03 AM

View Postlarrybud, on 29 November 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 29 November 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:

View Postlarrybud, on 27 November 2018 - 07:28 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 26 November 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

View PostLefty96, on 26 November 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

I am honestly surprised so many people are being so negative about it. He hit from where the tee blocks were set up to the designated green and it when in the hole. That is how the hole was supposed to be played that day. It was a par 3. Its not like the tee was 20 yards away from the green. Its not like he said "Hey should I try to hit the 18th green from here?" and it went in. No, that was how the course was set up that day and he aced the hole. I am actually pretty disappointed in the brashness of the nay-sayers.


"So many people" ????

It was only me and LARRYBUD who didn't acquiesce.

And I don't know now "negative" I am about it.  Was it a good shot?  Sure.   I just personally wouldn't "count" it, whatever that may mean to the player.  I mean it's not like there any official status or anything except checking it off your bucket list.  Maybe it means something when someone asks "how many aces do you have?" ??

To the people who would "count" it, how long of a hole would it have to be for it to "not count"?  People seem to be stuck on the fact that it was 157 yards.
What about 100 yards?
80?
50?

What makes one yardage any more or less legit?

When someone asks what hole did you make an ace on, what's the answer? "Well, it was this goofy golf shamble.  They setup this hole where...."

Were stuck on 157 because that's what it was. So it's relevant to the question

Yes if it was 50 I'm sure responses would be different especially on a makeshift course

But 157 is legit , that's a respectable par 3 yardage. Reasonable people can agree that 50-75 yards is not a common par 3 yardage

That's what I'm asking, what's your dividing line that you say no?  I thought that it's a makeshift course doesn't matter?

Hmmmm, for me if it was sub 100yds I might question it.

I think anything over 100yds counts though I'd probably have a disclaimer if it was a re-jigged course and like 107

150+ counts no matter what

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 09:14 AM

If it was so clear cut and "legit", I wonder why the OP would come and ask the forum.

Let me answer - 'cause it ain't a real hole and it ain't a real hole in one.



Notwithstanding the goofy course setup, the assumed mass consumption of Löwenbräu and it being a manufactured tournament, the holed shot (sans a witness) was an impressive stroke.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 02:42 PM

This brings up another question along the same lines...

If a senior is playing forward tees and shoots his age, is it legit?

For those of you quibbling about the length of the hole, is it required to play the back tees to call a round shooting your age?

If not, how far forward can you play and be legit? White tees? Our course also has green tees, gold tees and silver tees.
Blue tees are over 7000 yards, white 6600+, green 6300, gold 6000 and silver less than 5000.

If you are 80 years old, do you have to play from 7000 yards to call an 80 shooting your age?
What if you do it from the gold tees at about 6000 yards?

Apologies for thread-jacking.  ;)

Edited by zonadub, 30 November 2018 - 02:46 PM.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 08:37 PM

View Postzonadub, on 30 November 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

This brings up another question along the same lines...

If a senior is playing forward tees and shoots his age, is it legit?

For those of you quibbling about the length of the hole, is it required to play the back tees to call a round shooting your age?

If not, how far forward can you play and be legit? White tees? Our course also has green tees, gold tees and silver tees.
Blue tees are over 7000 yards, white 6600+, green 6300, gold 6000 and silver less than 5000.

If you are 80 years old, do you have to play from 7000 yards to call an 80 shooting your age?
What if you do it from the gold tees at about 6000 yards?

Apologies for thread-jacking.  ;)

No jacking...good question. The answer is no...does not matter because the tee has it's own rating.  Now if you play from the ladies tee then that could cause serious issues with the USGA parliament.  The fact is folks should be playing tees that, on average, leave a 7 iron to the green because that mimics what the pro's play.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 03:07 PM

I see almost everyone here being very supportive so Iím sorry to be the one to piss in your cereal, but no, it does not. How is this that much different than a hole out from the fairway? Iíve played courses that have ďfamily teesĒ or set tee boxes up in the fairway for someone that wants to basically play the course as a par-3 course. If I were to do that and hole out, would that be a hole-in-one too? Not hardly.

Playing from a temporary tee box, due to the regular one undergoing maintenance letís say, is COMPLETLEY different than what weíre talking about here. In that case the integrity of the holeís design is still somewhat intact, whereas there is no hole to speak of here, at least not one that was designed by a golf course architect during the courses inception, not one with a rating, etcetera.

Itís a cool concept (the event itself that is) and itís a neat story, but definitely not a hole-in-one in my opinion.

Edited by Need4spd, 02 December 2018 - 03:11 PM.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 07:00 PM

Goddamn right you did. There was sufficient yardage, you struck the ball, and it went in in one shot.
You're not recording a backwards setup for your handicap, neither are you carding it in a tournament, but it's definitely an ace.
By the rules of the event you were playing, it is certainly an ace, and by any objective standards not preoccupied with false universalism, it is also an ace.
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Posted 02 December 2018 - 07:21 PM

My pro said if there's NOT a windmill on the hole...it counts.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 11:04 PM

View Postzonadub, on 30 November 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

This brings up another question along the same lines...

If a senior is playing forward tees and shoots his age, is it legit?

For those of you quibbling about the length of the hole, is it required to play the back tees to call a round shooting your age?

If not, how far forward can you play and be legit? White tees? Our course also has green tees, gold tees and silver tees.
Blue tees are over 7000 yards, white 6600+, green 6300, gold 6000 and silver less than 5000.

If you are 80 years old, do you have to play from 7000 yards to call an 80 shooting your age?
What if you do it from the gold tees at about 6000 yards?

Apologies for thread-jacking.  ;)
It just has to be 18 holes! Do it on an executive course, awesome! Just know, like the hole-in-one on a trick hole, or a double eagle on a hole with a temporary green (like mine), if you're bragging about any of these totally legit feats, explanations will eventually be provided along with some good nature laughing...


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