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#61 Krt22

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Posted 06 January 2019 - 11:14 PM

What about an amateur who has his own and gets lessons?


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#62 b.helts

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Posted 06 January 2019 - 11:20 PM

 Krt22, on 06 January 2019 - 11:14 PM, said:

What about an amateur who has his own and gets lessons?

Depends on the skill level. But I think most players would be better off developing an innate knowledge of their swing and tendencies via ball flight rather than launch monitor data.

Edit to add: thatís not to say both canít be used. They are not mutually exclusive and I recognize that.

Edited by b.helts, 06 January 2019 - 11:22 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 05:44 AM

 b.helts, on 05 January 2019 - 04:43 PM, said:

 PutterKilledTheDream, on 05 January 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

It amazes me how naive folks are who haven't had access to or are aren't familiar with the many facets of radar technology.

If anything, range ball or not, having extremely accurate data to give a player yardage gaps and carry #s can't possibly hurt anybody or create a dependency on the monitor. It's amazing how few golfers actually even know their true carry numbers.

Now in regards to the club data and swing geometry stuff...... that's where IMO a lot of stuff went off the rails initially with the AoA nonsense and trying to create 'iron Byron vacuum perfect world launch conditions'. Monte commented about this in another thread and was spot on, and I saw the exact same thing many years ago when this stuff was still relatively unknown. People get carried away with chasing launch/spin combos that typically worsen their swings.

Once a player understands how the variables of the swing.... the swing path and face stuff lead to certain ballflights...... it becomes extremely easy to make the adjustments assuming you have certain fundamental control of moving the club. If you don't have control, and or don't understand or are confused at how those variables work, the monitor stuff is useless. That's why you typically only see very advanced players and tour pros using these machines. Not only are they dialing in there gear but they can see if the swing is getting loose and can make adjustments. Their not learning how to swing by numbers.

I am quite certain, in my case at least, that it isn't naïveté nor ignorance. My point is this: a launch monitor is neither a path to success nor a fix. It is a tool and like all great craftsman, the ones that are good know the tool does not the craftsman make.

I also feel very strongly that dependence on a launch monitor to give you data can (please note I said can) limit or hinder a players on course ability to diagnose, troubleshoot and fix a problem on the fly. Which of course, is vital to scoring well.

I absolutely agree.  People have to remember that they are not trying to hit a number blindly.  They have to do the right moves to get those numbers.  However it is still helpful when someone is doing a swing change to get accurate feedback on what they are doing.  Distance is great feedback.  Advanced trackman stuff like are they hitting the mat a lot further after the ball or before, that's helpful too.  Plenty of other complicated stuff I don't know about.  Otherwise I think video is helpful to see if you are doing the drill properly to get a result.  

Launch monitor has nothing to do with on course play other than distance control.  Everything else is like proof a swing change works.  It's like look you did this change now your path is more neutral etc, since a player's feel often is wrong or impossible capture so many feels accurately.
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Posted 07 January 2019 - 06:56 AM

Has anybody tried these reflective dots with their Quad or HMT?:  https://www.ebay.com...cMTwy:rk:5:pf:0

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 09:58 AM

For working on the full swing, I find by myself, a launch monitor distracting and more useful to ignore it and then look at the data like halfway through and then at home.

But for short game, great for gauging distance.


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Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:55 PM

 nevets88, on 07 January 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

For working on the full swing, I find by myself, a launch monitor distracting and more useful to ignore it and then look at the data like halfway through and then at home.

But for short game, great for gauging distance.
This^. I always divide my practice into groupings and just look after about 40 shots.

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:28 AM

 iteachgolf, on 19 December 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

 Goldenchang, on 19 December 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

 iteachgolf, on 19 December 2018 - 07:03 AM, said:

The Mevo gives normalized numbers.  So range ball should have minimal effect vs x3 tracking its entire flight.

Are the initial launch characteristics of limited range balls and tour balls similar enough that you can trust the mevo numbers to translate reasonably on the course?

Imo yes.  Now I havent tested every rangeball made but for instance our range balls give almost the same launch and spin numbers as high end balls on full shots (with occasional outlier) but they travel about 3% shorter with woods.  When normalized the numbers are extremely close.  

Mevo is small enough that I’d take it on course and do some testing.

I’d think that SF numbers could be lower with different compressions?

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:30 AM

 Lincoln_Arcadia, on 11 January 2019 - 11:28 AM, said:

 iteachgolf, on 19 December 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

 Goldenchang, on 19 December 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

 iteachgolf, on 19 December 2018 - 07:03 AM, said:

The Mevo gives normalized numbers.  So range ball should have minimal effect vs x3 tracking its entire flight.

Are the initial launch characteristics of limited range balls and tour balls similar enough that you can trust the mevo numbers to translate reasonably on the course?

Imo yes.  Now I havent tested every rangeball made but for instance our range balls give almost the same launch and spin numbers as high end balls on full shots (with occasional outlier) but they travel about 3% shorter with woods.  When normalized the numbers are extremely close.  

Mevo is small enough that Iíd take it on course and do some testing.

Iíd think that SF numbers could be lower with different compressions?

Ballspeed makes will be slightly lower generally but again mevo is using normalized numbers

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:58 PM

 HarryBee, on 07 January 2019 - 06:56 AM, said:

Has anybody tried these reflective dots with their Quad or HMT?:  https://www.ebay.com...cMTwy:rk:5:pf:0

Probably not going to find many who've used them, but doesn't Ebay (Paypal) give you a money back guarantee if these don't work?

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