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#31 FourTops

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Posted 20 November 2018 - 08:47 PM

I asked my buddy today at work about this question....he's a decent golfer at a 7.8.  He said "well you could have fooled me!  I see more PXG sets now than I would have ever expected...are they spending $3k to memorialize quitting golf".  Mic drop.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:33 AM

 FourTops, on 19 November 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

 llewol007, on 19 November 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

 FourTops, on 19 November 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

So someone takes the time to post a long overview of why golf is on the decline on WRX for a bunch of golf fanatics by default.  Not sure what the goal is other than to complain about golf.
Not complaining, just agreeing that your statement was enough to convince me. Instead of copying what you said, I agree with it.

You have to take into account the audience and where they live.  I'm in SoCal right now and every course is mobbed.  Public course prices are well over $100 to have a chance at a 5 hour round.  Now in other parts of the country it may be a different story....but from my friend's perspective who don't play at a private club, they wish people would quit.

Golf in SoCal may be mobbed, but you don't get any Paige Spiranacs or girls like in your avatar at the ranges on the east coast (maybe in FL)...golf in all regions has its pros and its cons :-)

In all seriousness, back to the original point...maybe this has always been the case, but the stigma about golf being for old, rich white guys, and about golf being a "pleasurable" pursuit rather than "athletic", has made it almost taboo in many of my social circles.  I've almost stopped mentioning that I play a lot of golf...it always draws a negative reaction...like I must not be spending enough time at home or at work, or I must support the "elitist" crowd...whatever, but that stigma plays a part, too.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 08:41 PM

 LeftDaddy, on 30 November 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

 FourTops, on 19 November 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

 llewol007, on 19 November 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

 FourTops, on 19 November 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

So someone takes the time to post a long overview of why golf is on the decline on WRX for a bunch of golf fanatics by default.  Not sure what the goal is other than to complain about golf.
Not complaining, just agreeing that your statement was enough to convince me. Instead of copying what you said, I agree with it.

You have to take into account the audience and where they live.  I'm in SoCal right now and every course is mobbed.  Public course prices are well over $100 to have a chance at a 5 hour round.  Now in other parts of the country it may be a different story....but from my friend's perspective who don't play at a private club, they wish people would quit.

Golf in SoCal may be mobbed, but you don't get any Paige Spiranacs or girls like in your avatar at the ranges on the east coast (maybe in FL)...golf in all regions has its pros and its cons :-)

In all seriousness, back to the original point...maybe this has always been the case, but the stigma about golf being for old, rich white guys, and about golf being a "pleasurable" pursuit rather than "athletic", has made it almost taboo in many of my social circles.  I've almost stopped mentioning that I play a lot of golf...it always draws a negative reaction...like I must not be spending enough time at home or at work, or I must support the "elitist" crowd...whatever, but that stigma plays a part, too.

Out in Socal golf is popular.  I don't see the stigma aspect.  Folks don't have to be rich to play golf.  Ask my $89 1-SW set of Ping Eye 2's that I play sometimes.  And there's plenty of decent cheap balls.  Costco has 3 gloves for $15.  And muni's out here can still be $40...I think.  Lol.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 11:25 AM

Golf is pretty popular here in Northern Nevada as it has a healthy supply of courses at different price points with some nice high end courses all the way down to the value $20 afternoon rate courses. Equipment can be found for cheap too as a starter set can be bought for $100-200. I've also seen a lot of my friends gravitate to golf more often and them admitting that they now have the bug.

The majority like to paint the picture of doom and gloom but I see golf only getting more popular as we move forward. I see more parents pushing their kids towards golf as a sport as there's a way less risk that they will get injured and end up with CTE later in life. Golf scholarships can help get junior to college, and then if they are good enough then the money is pretty damn good for a lot of players on tour. The millennial generation is also slowly growing older and with that will come higher level jobs, income, and the intro to golf most likely if they have not been yet.

We are also in the start of the Tiger 2.0 bump because if he keeps winning, the eye balls and interest are going to keep coming.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 12:33 PM

"I see more parents pushing their kids towards golf as a sport as there's a way less risk that they will get injured and end up with CTE later in life".  Great point!

The cheapest sport is probably tennis because you don't need to belong to an organization to play like soccer., hockey, baseball.  I know parents who are shelling out big bucks for kids playing organized sports.  One friend said golf would be a LOT cheaper!  

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 01:22 PM

 FourTops, on 01 December 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

"I see more parents pushing their kids towards golf as a sport as there's a way less risk that they will get injured and end up with CTE later in life".  Great point!

The cheapest sport is probably tennis because you don't need to belong to an organization to play like soccer., hockey, baseball.  I know parents who are shelling out big bucks for kids playing organized sports.  One friend said golf would be a LOT cheaper!  

Golf here is cheap , but to get your kid in it it's not crazy for it to be more expensive than things like soccer or hockey. If you want to get your son/daughter into a good junior program , many places will require you to also be a member at the course. The courses with the best junior programs tend to also be mid/high end courses that are not super cheap to join. However the benefit when compared to Hockey is you can actually use your membership to do something for yourself too....so that is nice. It's not like in Soccer they have a game for adults next to the game for kids LOL....Golf you can hit balls or play while they are getting lessons

The CTE comment is a real thing for sure. I played football growing up, i have many friends in the 35-45 range who will not let their sons play football.
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Posted 01 December 2018 - 09:32 PM

 MtlJeff, on 01 December 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

 FourTops, on 01 December 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

"I see more parents pushing their kids towards golf as a sport as there's a way less risk that they will get injured and end up with CTE later in life".  Great point!

The cheapest sport is probably tennis because you don't need to belong to an organization to play like soccer., hockey, baseball.  I know parents who are shelling out big bucks for kids playing organized sports.  One friend said golf would be a LOT cheaper!  

Golf here is cheap , but to get your kid in it it's not crazy for it to be more expensive than things like soccer or hockey. If you want to get your son/daughter into a good junior program , many places will require you to also be a member at the course. The courses with the best junior programs tend to also be mid/high end courses that are not super cheap to join. However the benefit when compared to Hockey is you can actually use your membership to do something for yourself too....so that is nice. It's not like in Soccer they have a game for adults next to the game for kids LOL....Golf you can hit balls or play while they are getting lessons

The CTE comment is a real thing for sure. I played football growing up, i have many friends in the 35-45 range who will not let their sons play football.

You made a great observation. And yes, some golf programs are not "cheap", but you know as well as I do once you get into the club and get the pro's drunk on Tequila shots...they "overlook" some of the costs.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 10:22 PM

Time, money, and patience.  

Most people do not have ample amounts of those three which are required for golf, especially if u want to "realize your potential."
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Posted 01 December 2018 - 10:27 PM

 gatorMD, on 01 December 2018 - 10:22 PM, said:

Time, money, and patience.  

Most people do not have ample amounts of those three which are required for golf, especially if u want to "realize your potential."

Most people aren't broke.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 08:29 AM

Depends on your definition of “broke.”
57% of American households have less than $1,000 in savings, while the average household debt is over $173,000.

I'm quitting at 6.022 x 10^23 posts.
Avogadro would be proud.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 01:41 PM

View PostSoloman1, on 02 December 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

Depends on your definition of “broke.”
57% of American households have less than $1,000 in savings, while the average household debt is over $173,000.

Does mortgage debt count towards this debt figure? Or is the 173K number mostly student loans and other things?

I never know how they account for mortgages, because you obviously owe a lot to the bank, but it's an asset too where you can make money upon sale

I mean i owe more than 173K to my bank, but i have more than that number in equity. So i never know how they calculate these things
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Posted 02 December 2018 - 02:24 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 02 December 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

View PostSoloman1, on 02 December 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

Depends on your definition of “broke.”
57% of American households have less than $1,000 in savings, while the average household debt is over $173,000.

Does mortgage debt count towards this debt figure? Or is the 173K number mostly student loans and other things?

I never know how they account for mortgages, because you obviously owe a lot to the bank, but it's an asset too where you can make money upon sale

I mean i owe more than 173K to my bank, but i have more than that number in equity. So i never know how they calculate these things

Depends on where you look but it should INCLUDE mortgages.

Ol' Soloman copied right from an article. Here it says $134K on average and states it DOES include mortgages. https://www.nerdwall...debt-household/
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Posted 02 December 2018 - 02:42 PM

That actually doesn't seem that bad then from a debt perspective.

Though the paycheck to paycheck thing isn't good. That is common here too
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Posted 02 December 2018 - 07:25 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 02 December 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

View PostSoloman1, on 02 December 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

Depends on your definition of “broke.”
57% of American households have less than $1,000 in savings, while the average household debt is over $173,000.

Does mortgage debt count towards this debt figure? Or is the 173K number mostly student loans and other things?

I never know how they account for mortgages, because you obviously owe a lot to the bank, but it's an asset too where you can make money upon sale

I mean i owe more than 173K to my bank, but i have more than that number in equity. So i never know how they calculate these things

MtlJeff....Fair market value less mortgage = equity, or what you effectively would "gain or lose" if the asset was sold.  If you went to a financial planner, they would tally up all your assets and subtract liens against those assets.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 08:55 PM

in our immediate family I can see the shift away from this game.
only one player out of all the kids in the generation behind me and he hasn't been out regularly for a bit.
he lives close to a course but has time limits and family responsibilities.
no one else got the spark.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:29 PM

Golf is "as popular" as how good you are.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:30 PM

Being "good" is not a requisite for enjoying the game.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 07:26 PM

View PostFourTops, on 02 December 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 02 December 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

View PostSoloman1, on 02 December 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

Depends on your definition of “broke.”
57% of American households have less than $1,000 in savings, while the average household debt is over $173,000.

Does mortgage debt count towards this debt figure? Or is the 173K number mostly student loans and other things?

I never know how they account for mortgages, because you obviously owe a lot to the bank, but it's an asset too where you can make money upon sale

I mean i owe more than 173K to my bank, but i have more than that number in equity. So i never know how they calculate these things

MtlJeff....Fair market value less mortgage = equity, or what you effectively would "gain or lose" if the asset was sold.  If you went to a financial planner, they would tally up all your assets and subtract liens against those assets.

Thanks, yes that i know and agree, i was just curious with these data points if that's how they calculate it.... i just figure they can't really because it's too hard to factor in home value. So maybe for these "Americans have X amount of debt" they are just considering mortgages and not home value.....which makes it seem like we are poorer than we are
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 09:51 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 04 December 2018 - 07:26 PM, said:

View PostFourTops, on 02 December 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 02 December 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

View PostSoloman1, on 02 December 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

Depends on your definition of “broke.”
57% of American households have less than $1,000 in savings, while the average household debt is over $173,000.

Does mortgage debt count towards this debt figure? Or is the 173K number mostly student loans and other things?

I never know how they account for mortgages, because you obviously owe a lot to the bank, but it's an asset too where you can make money upon sale

I mean i owe more than 173K to my bank, but i have more than that number in equity. So i never know how they calculate these things

MtlJeff....Fair market value less mortgage = equity, or what you effectively would "gain or lose" if the asset was sold.  If you went to a financial planner, they would tally up all your assets and subtract liens against those assets.

Thanks, yes that i know and agree, i was just curious with these data points if that's how they calculate it.... i just figure they can't really because it's too hard to factor in home value. So maybe for these "Americans have X amount of debt" they are just considering mortgages and not home value.....which makes it seem like we are poorer than we are

They take an average and extrapolate from there.

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