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#31 skyking

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 03:10 PM

View PostKMeloney, on 14 November 2018 - 02:21 PM, said:

View Postskyking, on 14 November 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

What am I missing? Feel free to defend them. I've got to know how they justify their prices. In CC's favor they did charge the full retail price for the clubs. No discount whatsoever. I know...I've heard this before to a degree but until it happens to you...

How is it you can admit to hearing about this yet still rant about it like you had no idea?

Nothing has "happened" to you. You're not forced to buy anything. Heck, you didn't even have to try anything outside of your budget.

What you're missing is the fact that they have overhead to pay for, there's expertise and labor involved, and clubs are built to spec with a la carte components. You're also missing the point that if everyone (or just enough people) felt like you did, they'd have gone out of business a long time ago.

It sounds like CC isn't for you -- and that's ok. But why come on here and rant about something that you still don't have a handle on?

I guess the hope was I'd fit into a stock shaft and all would be good. OR if it was an aftermarket shaft, the price wouldn't be DOUBLE the actual retail price! I told the fitter I was open to all heads and all shafts, whatever produces the best results. Once it came down to Mizuno I figured they have so many shaft options at least one would work. Problem is he didn't give me a single stock shaft...not one to try. I was fitted at PING's Tournament Player Division telling Bill Iseri any head, any shaft, a few years ago and ended up with a stock shaft so...


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#32 skyking

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 03:14 PM

View PostRi_Redneck, on 14 November 2018 - 02:21 PM, said:

View Postskyking, on 14 November 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

On top of all that, I emailed the fitter yesterday asking for ALL the TM data and the fitting information, "lie, loft, length and the like". Guy writes back that I got ALL the TM data and I got the fitting info on my "Sales Order' sheet...BS. There is no lie, loft, length info...F'ing liar. My guess? He doesn't want to send it. My friend showed me a fitting sheet from CC because they are building a set for a customer.

I have to go back on Friday to finish up the full bag fitting and it's not gonna be comfortable. Almost but not quite as bad as the feeling when dealing with a timeshare sales person.

They list the full bag fitting on their website for $350. You are not obligated to buy your clubs there, but you can't blame them for trying! Be assertive and stick with your original plan. Just remember, armed only with the fitting data, you will have to seek out a builder that can get what you want.

If the specs are not on the "Order Sheet", take it with you when you return and show them. They will print them out for you. Mistakes are made sometimes.

BTW, what clubs, shafts and grips did they recommend for you?

BT

PS: You should also read their FAQ section on the website.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 03:24 PM

View PostDavePelz4, on 14 November 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

From their website...


How does club pricing work when buying through Club Champion?


When you get properly fit, there are two things that make up the cost of the golf club:  The head and the shaft.  Our prices on heads are EXACTLY the same as everywhere else.  So that driver that is $399 at the Big Box megastore, it’s $399 from us.  The difference is we are going to take out the stock shaft that comes with the driver.  It is a low grade, low quality shaft in 99% of cases from EVERY manufacturer.  Then we fit you for the best shaft for you that is on the market.  So then we procure the shaft and build the club from there.

Equally important to the Fitting, is the building.  And we will build your set one club at a time to hit the proper length, lie, loft, swing weights, PUREING (www.sstpure.com), etc.  If it’s not built right, or if it’s built on an assembly line, you won’t get the proper results from a great fit.

I don't know about anyone else but I like grips on my clubs.


I have already found new clubs for less than what they are charging. So stating, "Our prices on heads are EXACTLY the same as everywhere else", is a false statement. I do note they didn't say the shaft would be "EXACTLY" the same (price) as everywhere else. Therefore, they can charge double the full retail price...or more I guess.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 03:31 PM

I think it's funny they say 99% of stock shafts are low quality, low grade. Maybe that was true 4+ years ago but not anymore. My Z785 came stock with a Tensei Pro Blue 60TX.
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Posted 14 November 2018 - 03:42 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 14 November 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

I think it's funny they say 99% of stock shafts are low quality, low grade. Maybe that was true 4+ years ago but not anymore. My Z785 came stock with a Tensei Pro Blue 60TX.
That and the fact that rather than order the shaft(s) ala carte they could buy the driver from the manufacturer, and sell, with the upcharge. But no!! It appears that no matter what they will sell you a stock set and then purchase the shafts they think you need.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 03:47 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 November 2018 - 03:42 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 14 November 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

I think it's funny they say 99% of stock shafts are low quality, low grade. Maybe that was true 4+ years ago but not anymore. My Z785 came stock with a Tensei Pro Blue 60TX.
That and the fact that rather than order the shaft(s) ala carte they could buy the driver from the manufacturer, and sell, with the upcharge. But no!! It appears that no matter what they will sell you a stock set and then purchase the shafts they think you need.
IMO it's just a ploy so they can convince you to buy an upcharge shaft and make more money off you. If I were to get a driver fitting at Club Champion, I'd order the driver bone stock from the OEM, buy whatever shaft I was fit into separately, then sell the stock shaft to recoup some $$.
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Posted 14 November 2018 - 04:21 PM

In retrospect and if I could do it over, I'd tell the fitter I want to spend the absolute least amount possible with maximum results and there was no way in hell I would spend more than a total of $1,500 for 7 irons and 3 wedges. I didn't say that because of wanting him to be completely committed to fitting me with the best combination and if he thought money was no object, I'd get a better fitting.

Not smart...

I thought going in saying, here's the way this is going down. Your gonna fit me, then I'm gonna buy the clubs, shafts and grips. Then you're gonna assemble them for a REASONABLE fee.

Edited by skyking, 14 November 2018 - 04:28 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 04:30 PM

View Postskyking, on 14 November 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

Just got fit at CC for 5-Gap and 3 wedges but they estimate is over 3 grand!!!! :stink:

Is it acceptable to charge me TWICE the actual RETAIL price for graphite shafts and more than TWICE for steel?...really??? On top of that a buddy of mine was at Fujikura 2 weeks ago and they laughed when asked about PUREing shafts. He was told Fujikura shafts go through PUREing before leaving the plant and the shafts will be screwed up if they go through PUREing again by a shop. So there's another $30 for each shaft that would not only be pissed down the drain but have an adverse effect on performance.

Yeah they charged more than retail for grips too...by at least 20%.

What am I missing? Feel free to defend them. I've got to know how they justify their prices. In CC's favor they did charge the full retail price for the clubs. No discount whatsoever. I know...I've heard this before to a degree but until it happens to you...

Thanks in advance!

After 40-some years in clubhead and shaft design including consulting for two of the bigger clubhead production factories I can tell you how they justify what they charge you guys.  

1) Spend a ton on a facility with fancy fixtures and 500+ shafts and gadgets and you have a pretty strong starting nut to crack
2) Dabble with TV ads paying Ledbetter and Haney to crow about your services and the nut just got a lot stronger
3) Then for pay back, start by capitalizing on the sheer stupidity among so many golfers who do believe that "if it costs more it has to be better"
4) Chiefly use shafts that are so far overpriced beyond what it costs to make them that it pushes point #3 above to an even more ridiculous level
5) Add it all up and there you have your $3000 quote for 10 clubs that likely cost 10% of that to manufacture - and that's with profit for the production factory included

But this here is the land where profit reigns supreme so if they can charge that much and get it, then by all means why not give it a shot.  Because as P.T. used to say, there is one born every minute and it seems a lot of them ended up as a golf consumer.  

In this case RIP does not mean rest in peace.  And BTW the very best clubfitters on the planet might charge about half of what you were quoted.  But they all are one man shops with no money to pay super teachers to crow about them on The Golf Channel.  But that's where the honest to gosh best fitting in this industry takes place.  Bunches of people on WRX have found one of these few super fitters and worked with them and they can tell you.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 06:00 PM

View PostTomWishon, on 14 November 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

View Postskyking, on 14 November 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

Just got fit at CC for 5-Gap and 3 wedges but they estimate is over 3 grand!!!! :stink:

Is it acceptable to charge me TWICE the actual RETAIL price for graphite shafts and more than TWICE for steel?...really??? On top of that a buddy of mine was at Fujikura 2 weeks ago and they laughed when asked about PUREing shafts. He was told Fujikura shafts go through PUREing before leaving the plant and the shafts will be screwed up if they go through PUREing again by a shop. So there's another $30 for each shaft that would not only be pissed down the drain but have an adverse effect on performance.

Yeah they charged more than retail for grips too...by at least 20%.

What am I missing? Feel free to defend them. I've got to know how they justify their prices. In CC's favor they did charge the full retail price for the clubs. No discount whatsoever. I know...I've heard this before to a degree but until it happens to you...

Thanks in advance!

After 40-some years in clubhead and shaft design including consulting for two of the bigger clubhead production factories I can tell you how they justify what they charge you guys.  

1) Spend a ton on a facility with fancy fixtures and 500+ shafts and gadgets and you have a pretty strong starting nut to crack
2) Dabble with TV ads paying Ledbetter and Haney to crow about your services and the nut just got a lot stronger
3) Then for pay back, start by capitalizing on the sheer stupidity among so many golfers who do believe that "if it costs more it has to be better"
4) Chiefly use shafts that are so far overpriced beyond what it costs to make them that it pushes point #3 above to an even more ridiculous level
5) Add it all up and there you have your $3000 quote for 10 clubs that likely cost 10% of that to manufacture - and that's with profit for the production factory included

But this here is the land where profit reigns supreme so if they can charge that much and get it, then by all means why not give it a shot.  Because as P.T. used to say, there is one born every minute and it seems a lot of them ended up as a golf consumer.  

In this case RIP does not mean rest in peace.  And BTW the very best clubfitters on the planet might charge about half of what you were quoted.  But they all are one man shops with no money to pay super teachers to crow about them on The Golf Channel.  But that's where the honest to gosh best fitting in this industry takes place.  Bunches of people on WRX have found one of these few super fitters and worked with them and they can tell you.

Thanks for this.  Would be nice to see a by state listings of these "super fitters".  Know of one in Illinois ?
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Posted 14 November 2018 - 06:16 PM

Thank you Mr.Wishon for an honest answer. Glad to see someone well respected in the industry trying to help someone, rather than rob them. Boy, I`d love to hear some of the industry insider stuff you know.


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 06:36 PM

I agree with most - the value is just not there. The prices are ridiculous and I would just go to get specs (if you have the urge to try them out) and have them built by somebody else for a reasonable price. I understand why they do it because you are not just really paying for the clubs but also all the expenses for CC. The building,  inventory, equipment, etc. however, there appear to be people with money to burn and who do not care about price or they would not still be in business. I would never use them and have an excellent top fitter in my area where I have gotten full bag fittings and clubs for about  half what CC would charge.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:02 PM

Why would you expect to pay the same for someone to build your set by hand vs an OEM? Thatís ludicrous.

Be open- I want the cheapest set I can get my hands on OR I want the absolute BEST set I can get my hands on.

If you donít want CC to build your set - tell them ďI want an OEM built setĒ

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:29 PM

I hate to say this...but you went to a fitting at a premium facility- spent a lot of money on the fitting alone - and expected a reasonable quote? To pay $350 USD for a fitting is about as much as you can spend. A quick search about CC will reveal your exact thread many times over.

What did you expect?

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:31 PM

Itís the PXG of club fittings.
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Bobby: I play because I love it.
Walter: Well I play for the money. I have to win. That is why every time we face each other I will always beat you.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:44 PM

Outside of the extra services like PURE, I gather they are primarily more expensive because they sell the shaft separate from the club.  You buy the club retail, then you have to buy the new shaft retail.  Then you need to buy a new set of grips to go on that new shaft.  If you buy from the OEM with a custom shaft, you pay an upcharge for the better shaft and that's it.  No duplicate grip price, no retail on the new shaft.  The only thing extra you pay for is the difference in price between the two shafts.

Personally, I think CC provides a great service, and they provide more options than anything else I've seen.  I just wouldn't buy a custom club from them.


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 08:12 PM

When I went to PING’s Tournament Division for the fitting, I got to see part of my set being built with exactly what Bill ordered, though I had to get our pro to place the order. It was very exacting I though, right down to the prescribed swingweight. So I don’t have a problem with an OEM but in this case the shaft is not available through Mizuno.

I’m sure Tom could spot half a dozen things that a master fitter would or wouldn’t have done building them but at my level they served me well.  For me the objective going to CC was to get fitted for a current model head and the “perfect” shaft for irons and driver using their expertise. The bonus being the hope of getting everything right there at a reasonable (to me) cost.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 08:18 PM

 BrianMcG, on 14 November 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

Itís the PXG of club fittings.

Too funny!

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 08:23 PM

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

I hate to say this...but you went to a fitting at a premium facility- spent a lot of money on the fitting alone - and expected a reasonable quote? To pay $350 USD for a fitting is about as much as you can spend. A quick search about CC will reveal your exact thread many times over.

What did you expect?

Ultimately, you will leave this experience with accurate specs for every club on the bag. That is very valuable. Source the heads and shafts out yourself and bring them to a local builder. Save thousands.

Goodluck!

I did NOT pay $350. I paid $175 knowing they run specials through January. To me it was worth 175. I would never ever pay $350 for a fitting, especially since that’s not deducted from the purchase price.

For the sake of completeness I will say that I did purchase the suggested putter...so there. Why? Because the price of a PING putter is set in concrete regardless of merchant. And I knew it would be difficult to for him to say I needed an expensive aftermarket putter shaft.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 08:49 PM

Either get the data or just learn to fit yourself.....that's what I did

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 09:14 PM

My CC pricing for the recommended build was $3,400.   This was for 10 clubs, shafts and grips, plus two shafts and grips for my current driver & hybrid.  I ended up investing $2,100 for the entire build.  I worked with my local fitter & got some of the clubs  on WRX.    I feel the $350 for the fitting was a good investment.  Hard to replicate the ability to try out that many heads and shafts in 1 setting.    I probably would have ended up with the same or similar heads, but probably not the shafts CC recommended.  As we all know the price of a club gets pretty expensive if you have to buy the club and then have it reshafted with a quality shaft.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 10:00 PM

 skyking, on 14 November 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

I hate to say this...but you went to a fitting at a premium facility- spent a lot of money on the fitting alone - and expected a reasonable quote? To pay $350 USD for a fitting is about as much as you can spend. A quick search about CC will reveal your exact thread many times over.

What did you expect?

Ultimately, you will leave this experience with accurate specs for every club on the bag. That is very valuable. Source the heads and shafts out yourself and bring them to a local builder. Save thousands.

Goodluck!

I did NOT pay $350. I paid $175 knowing they run specials through January. To me it was worth 175. I would never ever pay $350 for a fitting, especially since thatís not deducted from the purchase price.

For the sake of completeness I will say that I did purchase the suggested putter...so there. Why? Because the price of a PING putter is set in concrete regardless of merchant. And I knew it would be difficult to for him to say I needed an expensive aftermarket putter shaft.

Great deal. I guess my point isnt that you PAID $350, but the place you want to normally charges $350. It's not surprising thst you got a great deal on the fitting, and want the same for the clubs. Hey...I would too. The difference is, I would never go to a premium place and expect to pay golftown prices for builds.

In fairness...I went to TXG in Toronto...am excellent facility. I went for a putter fitting, was told my current putter had better numbers than anything k tired, and they charged me $0 for the fitting aswell.


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 10:27 PM

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

 skyking, on 14 November 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

I hate to say this...but you went to a fitting at a premium facility- spent a lot of money on the fitting alone - and expected a reasonable quote? To pay $350 USD for a fitting is about as much as you can spend. A quick search about CC will reveal your exact thread many times over.

What did you expect?

Ultimately, you will leave this experience with accurate specs for every club on the bag. That is very valuable. Source the heads and shafts out yourself and bring them to a local builder. Save thousands.

Goodluck!

I did NOT pay $350. I paid $175 knowing they run specials through January. To me it was worth 175. I would never ever pay $350 for a fitting, especially since that’s not deducted from the purchase price.

For the sake of completeness I will say that I did purchase the suggested putter...so there. Why? Because the price of a PING putter is set in concrete regardless of merchant. And I knew it would be difficult to for him to say I needed an expensive aftermarket putter shaft.

Great deal. I guess my point isnt that you PAID $350, but the place you want to normally charges $350. It's not surprising thst you got a great deal on the fitting, and want the same for the clubs. Hey...I would too. The difference is, I would never go to a premium place and expect to pay golftown prices for builds.

In fairness...I went to TXG in Toronto...am excellent facility. I went for a putter fitting, was told my current putter had better numbers than anything k tired, and they charged me $0 for the fitting aswell.

TXG??? The guys who make the awesome YouTube videos? I found their videos last weekend. Kind of fired me up for my fitting on Monday. I assumed from their videos they are a high end facility and there’s been more than 1 set of $3,000 irons that have left that place. That’s very classy the way you were treated for the putter fitting.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 11:02 PM

 TollBros, on 14 November 2018 - 11:25 AM, said:

 rightslice, on 14 November 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

Watched a video with Kim Braly of KBS  Pureing came up he kind of chuckled and wouldn't go near the subject. Told me all I need to know.

The process is worthless. It's simply a way for clubmakers to jack up the bill for a totally unnecessary "service". I'd rather a priest sprinkle holy water on my clubs. It has more potential for benefit.

So, you are telling me you dont know the actual specs of the shafts you are testing?

Clubmakers who know what they are doing, measure all shafts to make sure the shaft we use to build the players clubs with is as identical to the fitting club as possible. Steel shafts are for the most pretty constant, but there is flyers, and on Graphite you never know what it is before its measured, and that goes for all price categories, even those with the label "Tour Issue."

Just look into this list of random shafts ive measured to visualize this a few years ago
There is at least 2 of each shaft model and flex, but they all vary depending on how its installed, and that goes for both FLO and flex. You will see 2 flyers on the same list, a PL BLUE AXIS S and a TOUR S, who both is way off their normal flex (about 1 flex class) depending on how they are installed. (Label up/down or Weak/Strong FLO line)

its only a collection of 5 different models, but among 3 of them i found 1 shaft that was off by about 1 flex, with either 8, 9 or at the max 12 CPM. There is also a few with a rather large difference between the weak and the strong flo line, so the same shaft could play 7 CPM in difference or close to a whole flex depending on install.

http://www.golfwrx.c.../#entry12243646

This is what FLOing or PUREing of shafts is all about, its a quality control we cant drop if we want to make sure we duplicate all specs from one club to the other, just like we cant drop loft and lie.
Just like True Temper weight sort the old Dynamic first to GOLD standard, then to TOUR ISSUE, this is the next stage, the final control, its not Voodoo or Hogwash, but its up to any player to decide if he want this level of quality and how much he is willing to pay for it.

It boils down to, what club specs is important for you, and how much are you willing to pay to get it?
Being fitted for a upgrade exotic shaft where we dont know actual specs on the shaft used during fitting, or the one we get delivered is Russian roulette with money, we simply have no clue if this 2 shafts actually is the same before they are measured.

A high end fitting like CC offers without knowing actual specs on the clubs we use for fitting and later build, what can that be used for? I was on the top 10 list for PFC Tour issue product sales in 2011, so ive measured more shafts than most of you ever will, and i stand by my words when i say, modern graphite shafts is still not good enough to drop this quality control if we really want to know what we are dealing with, thats why i always did it and still do.

If i should come with any negative comment against CC, then its their pricing for the same services, they are higher than what European club makers is able to charge, and our cost level is at least the double of what it is in the US. FLO with CPM test of a shaft takes anything from 1-3 minutes and should only cost a few buck (IMO), but if they use PURE they are charged them self with a license fee that pushes the price higher, so its the price aspect thats a bit off (IMO), not the service they offer.

Edited by Howard Jones, 14 November 2018 - 11:29 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 11:07 PM

 skyking, on 14 November 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

Just got fit at CC for 5-Gap and 3 wedges but they estimate is over 3 grand!!!! :stink:

Is it acceptable to charge me TWICE the actual RETAIL price for graphite shafts and more than TWICE for steel?...really??? On top of that a buddy of mine was at Fujikura 2 weeks ago and they laughed when asked about PUREing shafts. He was told Fujikura shafts go through PUREing before leaving the plant and the shafts will be screwed up if they go through PUREing again by a shop. So there's another $30 for each shaft that would not only be pissed down the drain but have an adverse effect on performance.

Yeah they charged more than retail for grips too...by at least 20%.

What am I missing? Feel free to defend them. I've got to know how they justify their prices. In CC's favor they did charge the full retail price for the clubs. No discount whatsoever. I know...I've heard this before to a degree but until it happens to you...

Thanks in advance!

I was quoted $25 more per club to get a set of irons reshafted compared to OEM doing the same exact work.  Needless to say, I was very turned off and will never consider them again for anything.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 11:47 PM

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

 skyking, on 14 November 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

I hate to say this...but you went to a fitting at a premium facility- spent a lot of money on the fitting alone - and expected a reasonable quote? To pay $350 USD for a fitting is about as much as you can spend. A quick search about CC will reveal your exact thread many times over.

What did you expect?

Ultimately, you will leave this experience with accurate specs for every club on the bag. That is very valuable. Source the heads and shafts out yourself and bring them to a local builder. Save thousands.

Goodluck!

I did NOT pay $350. I paid $175 knowing they run specials through January. To me it was worth 175. I would never ever pay $350 for a fitting, especially since that's not deducted from the purchase price.

For the sake of completeness I will say that I did purchase the suggested putter...so there. Why? Because the price of a PING putter is set in concrete regardless of merchant. And I knew it would be difficult to for him to say I needed an expensive aftermarket putter shaft.

Great deal. I guess my point isnt that you PAID $350, but the place you want to normally charges $350. It's not surprising thst you got a great deal on the fitting, and want the same for the clubs. Hey...I would too. The difference is, I would never go to a premium place and expect to pay golftown prices for builds.

In fairness...I went to TXG in Toronto...am excellent facility. I went for a putter fitting, was told my current putter had better numbers than anything k tired, and they charged me $0 for the fitting aswell.

TXG are super at least their videos are

Lots of knowledge and no over selling

Ian is a fellow Scotsman and   seems genuine as they come


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Posted 15 November 2018 - 12:05 AM

 Thayneil, on 14 November 2018 - 11:47 PM, said:

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

 skyking, on 14 November 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

I hate to say this...but you went to a fitting at a premium facility- spent a lot of money on the fitting alone - and expected a reasonable quote? To pay $350 USD for a fitting is about as much as you can spend. A quick search about CC will reveal your exact thread many times over.

What did you expect?

Ultimately, you will leave this experience with accurate specs for every club on the bag. That is very valuable. Source the heads and shafts out yourself and bring them to a local builder. Save thousands.

Goodluck!

I did NOT pay $350. I paid $175 knowing they run specials through January. To me it was worth 175. I would never ever pay $350 for a fitting, especially since that's not deducted from the purchase price.

For the sake of completeness I will say that I did purchase the suggested putter...so there. Why? Because the price of a PING putter is set in concrete regardless of merchant. And I knew it would be difficult to for him to say I needed an expensive aftermarket putter shaft.

Great deal. I guess my point isnt that you PAID $350, but the place you want to normally charges $350. It's not surprising thst you got a great deal on the fitting, and want the same for the clubs. Hey...I would too. The difference is, I would never go to a premium place and expect to pay golftown prices for builds.

In fairness...I went to TXG in Toronto...am excellent facility. I went for a putter fitting, was told my current putter had better numbers than anything k tired, and they charged me $0 for the fitting aswell.

TXG are super at least their videos are

Lots of knowledge and no over selling

Ian is a fellow Scotsman and   seems genuine as they come

They do excellent work here in the GTA. Great staff too. I've never had them build anything for me...I generally try to do whatever I can on my own...
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Posted 15 November 2018 - 07:12 AM

Question for those of you who have been professionally fitted.

How much did the fitted set improve your game?

Inquiring minds want to know.....

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Posted 15 November 2018 - 08:52 AM

 Hateto3Putt, on 15 November 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

Question for those of you who have been professionally fitted.

How much did the fitted set improve your game?

Inquiring minds want to know.....

"Improve"   Just got my irons, so still too early to make a fact based statement.  I am a super-senior so, I have 3 fw's in the bag.  With the new fw's and a new driver shaft  I have already experienced real improvement in FIR and GIR.  My expectation is the irons will also contribute to better GIR.  I play an extremely tight course with tough bermuda rough, so FIR is a big plus.  Having confidence in the clubs is translating into more positive expectations and better shot execution and making the game more enjoyable.

I have been away from the game for 5 years and had a hard time accepting how much distance, shotmaking & short game ability I had lost ( index doubled when I came back).  My 2019 goal is to regain my index I had when I quit.  I expect the new bag to contribute at least 40/50% to achieving my goal.

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Posted 15 November 2018 - 09:05 AM

 81PING, on 15 November 2018 - 12:05 AM, said:

 Thayneil, on 14 November 2018 - 11:47 PM, said:

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

 skyking, on 14 November 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

 81PING, on 14 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

I hate to say this...but you went to a fitting at a premium facility- spent a lot of money on the fitting alone - and expected a reasonable quote? To pay $350 USD for a fitting is about as much as you can spend. A quick search about CC will reveal your exact thread many times over.

What did you expect?

Ultimately, you will leave this experience with accurate specs for every club on the bag. That is very valuable. Source the heads and shafts out yourself and bring them to a local builder. Save thousands.

Goodluck!

I did NOT pay $350. I paid $175 knowing they run specials through January. To me it was worth 175. I would never ever pay $350 for a fitting, especially since that's not deducted from the purchase price.

For the sake of completeness I will say that I did purchase the suggested putter...so there. Why? Because the price of a PING putter is set in concrete regardless of merchant. And I knew it would be difficult to for him to say I needed an expensive aftermarket putter shaft.

Great deal. I guess my point isnt that you PAID $350, but the place you want to normally charges $350. It's not surprising thst you got a great deal on the fitting, and want the same for the clubs. Hey...I would too. The difference is, I would never go to a premium place and expect to pay golftown prices for builds.

In fairness...I went to TXG in Toronto...am excellent facility. I went for a putter fitting, was told my current putter had better numbers than anything k tired, and they charged me $0 for the fitting aswell.

TXG are super at least their videos are

Lots of knowledge and no over selling

Ian is a fellow Scotsman and   seems genuine as they come

They do excellent work here in the GTA. Great staff too. I've never had them build anything for me...I generally try to do whatever I can on my own...
I can vouch for TXG, I just got fit there. Best fitting I've ever had from all aspects - knowledge of the fitters is immense (they've all got top notch game, too), laid back, 0 pressure atmosphere. Heck.. they even told me to NOT buy clubs through them because of shipping/duty fees as I live in the USA. I will never go anywhere else again... I've got total trust in these guys.

Even if you have to fly in like I did, I highly recommend you give them a go.
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Posted 15 November 2018 - 09:41 AM

hmm


Posted 28 minutes ago

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I am not a representative of Club Champion but as a educated golf industry person who wanted to weigh in on this post. Because I know CC and all other places to buy clubs well.




Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:06 AM

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As a representative of Club Champion I wanted to weigh in on this post. I also want to thank many of you for kind things written about Club Champion and to clarify and address some of the misconceptions brought up a lot on forums.

http://golfwrx.com/f.../#entry16409286

Edited by Ping Zings, 15 November 2018 - 09:43 AM.

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