TollBros, on 14 November 2018 - 11:25 AM, said:
rightslice, on 14 November 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:
Watched a video with Kim Braly of KBS Pureing came up he kind of chuckled and wouldn't go near the subject. Told me all I need to know.
The process is worthless. It's simply a way for clubmakers to jack up the bill for a totally unnecessary "service". I'd rather a priest sprinkle holy water on my clubs. It has more potential for benefit.
So, you are telling me you dont know the actual specs of the shafts you are testing?
Clubmakers who know what they are doing, measure all shafts to make sure the shaft we use to build the players clubs with is as identical to the fitting club as possible. Steel shafts are for the most pretty constant, but there is flyers, and on Graphite you never know what it is before its measured, and that goes for all price categories, even those with the label "Tour Issue."
Just look into this list of random shafts ive measured to visualize this a few years ago
There is at least 2 of each shaft model and flex, but they all vary depending on how its installed, and that goes for both FLO and flex. You will see 2 flyers on the same list, a PL BLUE AXIS S and a TOUR S, who both is way off their normal flex (about 1 flex class) depending on how they are installed. (Label up/down or Weak/Strong FLO line)
its only a collection of 5 different models, but among 3 of them i found 1 shaft that was off by about 1 flex, with either 8, 9 or at the max 12 CPM. There is also a few with a rather large difference between the weak and the strong flo line, so the same shaft could play 7 CPM in difference or close to a whole flex depending on install.
This is what FLOing or PUREing of shafts is all about, its a quality control we cant drop if we want to make sure we duplicate all specs from one club to the other, just like we cant drop loft and lie.
Just like True Temper weight sort the old Dynamic first to GOLD standard, then to TOUR ISSUE, this is the next stage, the final control, its not Voodoo or Hogwash, but its up to any player to decide if he want this level of quality and how much he is willing to pay for it.
It boils down to, what club specs is important for you, and how much are you willing to pay to get it?
Being fitted for a upgrade exotic shaft where we dont know actual specs on the shaft used during fitting, or the one we get delivered is Russian roulette with money, we simply have no clue if this 2 shafts actually is the same before they are measured.
A high end fitting like CC offers without knowing actual specs on the clubs we use for fitting and later build, what can that be used for? I was on the top 10 list for PFC Tour issue product sales in 2011, so ive measured more shafts than most of you ever will, and i stand by my words when i say, modern graphite shafts is still not good enough to drop this quality control if we really want to know what we are dealing with, thats why i always did it and still do.
If i should come with any negative comment against CC, then its their pricing for the same services, they are higher than what European club makers is able to charge, and our cost level is at least the double of what it is in the US. FLO with CPM test of a shaft takes anything from 1-3 minutes and should only cost a few buck (IMO), but if they use PURE they are charged them self with a license fee that pushes the price higher, so its the price aspect thats a bit off (IMO), not the service they offer.
Edited by Howard Jones, 14 November 2018 - 11:29 PM.