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#1 TigerMom

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 11:11 PM

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#2 BertGA

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:08 PM

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

Sounds like reverse psychology to me. :D

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:33 PM

View Postwildcatden, on 13 November 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

Sounds like reverse psychology to me. :D

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Sounds like you are stereotyping to me.  Makes me wonder.


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:46 PM

OP...trying to understand your motives here.

Are you looking for validation relative to you pushing your kid in a certain direction...with your desired outcome being the end-game?

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#7 BertGA

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:48 PM

View Postwildcatden, on 13 November 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

Sounds like reverse psychology to me. :D

Classic. In fact, maybe TigerMom = Brendan Ryan.

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#8 TigerMom

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:00 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 13 November 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

View Postwildcatden, on 13 November 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

Sounds like reverse psychology to me. :D

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Sounds like you are stereotyping to me.  Makes me wonder.

what stereo?

got to be big, tall, strong, fast to play those sports with hardly any exception

not absolutely necessary in golf

just look at lpga tour players - many of best are not greatest physical specimens

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:50 PM

If you want to go to Harvard, Yale or Stanford or just about any IVY league then sports and surprising I come to find out even academics is not a sure path. I multiple parents who have sent their kids these schools and worked with gads from there.

The underlying factor is most of the kids that got in went to super expensive elite private schools. Schools that costs  maybe 40k a year to go to in tuition.  Then if you have a hard time getting in throw the school some money for junior.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 02:06 PM

View Postjj9000, on 13 November 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

OP...trying to understand your motives here.

Are you looking for validation relative to you pushing your kid in a certain direction...with your desired outcome being the end-game?

I just thought it was interesting article

must have minimum academics, then compete among that pool of players (who actually want to go)

very few spots (2-3 per year per team?  maybe more since many drop out of Ivy golf later) but very few qualify academically

seems like golf not as great due to weather and heavy workload (studying in college?)

information is good


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 02:11 PM

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 05:57 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Donít have to be very big to play hockey or lacrosse at all.  Certainly no more so than golf

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 12:28 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 13 November 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Donít have to be very big to play hockey or lacrosse at all.  Certainly no more so than golf


As a former D1 and professional hockey player I can attest to this being true.

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#14 TigerMom

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 02:47 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 13 November 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Donít have to be very big to play hockey or lacrosse at all.  Certainly no more so than golf

running (skating) speed over short distances is highly genetic

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#15 iteachgolf

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:12 AM

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 02:47 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 13 November 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Donít have to be very big to play hockey or lacrosse at all.  Certainly no more so than golf

running (skating) speed over short distances is highly genetic

No itís not.  It can be taught and trained quite easily.  My brother played D1 lacrosse and ran about a 5.2 40.  I played hockey for 11 years.


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 09:43 AM

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 02:47 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 13 November 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Don't have to be very big to play hockey or lacrosse at all.  Certainly no more so than golf

running (skating) speed over short distances is highly genetic

Absolutely hockey players are (like all other top tier athletes) born not made.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 12:36 PM

Show of hands.  

Lets say your junior was smart and an absolute phenom in golf?  How many of you would send them to an Ivy league school? Harvard, Yale, etc....   Note that Stanford isn't Ivy League.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 12:47 PM

View Postkekoa, on 14 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

Show of hands.  

Lets say your junior was smart and an absolute phenom in golf?  How many of you would send them to an Ivy league school? Harvard, Yale, etc....   Note that Stanford isn't Ivy League.

Define 'absolute phenom'.

Absolute phenom in the sense that they have the ability to make a living playing golf --> I would recommend a 'golf-centric' OK. St. like program.

Absolute phenom in the sense that they are very very good, but will likely work in a traditional job capacity after college --> I would recommend Ivy.

Ultimately the decision would be made by the child though.  I'm not going to force what I want them to do on them.  I'll encourage, with facts.

If they don't want to go whichever route...for whatever reason...there's no amount of convincing that will make up for the lack of passion (academically or athletically).

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:02 PM

View Postkekoa, on 14 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

Show of hands.  

Lets say your junior was smart and an absolute phenom in golf?  How many of you would send them to an Ivy league school? Harvard, Yale, etc....   Note that Stanford isn't Ivy League.
My kid wouldn't survive 15 minutes of a North East winter.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:20 PM

Vanderbilt or Stanford would be a way better option for anyone looking to pursue golf professionally


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:29 PM

View Postkekoa, on 14 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

Show of hands.  

Lets say your junior was smart and an absolute phenom in golf?  How many of you would send them to an Ivy league school? Harvard, Yale, etc....   Note that Stanford isn't Ivy League.
If my kid was a phenom and smart, they could go wherever they wanted. I didn’t get the good grades or shoot the low scores, and I’m not the one that is going to college, doing homework, living away from home, or playing golf. Except for financial reasons, parents are there to answer questions, not make decisions.
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Posted 14 November 2018 - 02:13 PM

View PostRangerV, on 14 November 2018 - 01:29 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 14 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

Show of hands.  

Lets say your junior was smart and an absolute phenom in golf?  How many of you would send them to an Ivy league school? Harvard, Yale, etc....   Note that Stanford isn't Ivy League.
If my kid was a phenom and smart, they could go wherever they wanted. I didnít get the good grades or shoot the low scores, and Iím not the one that is going to college, doing homework, living away from home, or playing golf. Except for financial reasons, parents are there to answer questions, not make decisions.

Exactly this

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:32 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 02:47 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 13 November 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 13 November 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

"I am here to tell you that if you want to use a sport to help in your application, then golf is the worst sport you can play (whereas basketball, football, hockey or lacrosse are the best). "

his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Donít have to be very big to play hockey or lacrosse at all.  Certainly no more so than golf

running (skating) speed over short distances is highly genetic

No itís not.  It can be taught and trained quite easily.  My brother played D1 lacrosse and ran about a 5.2 40.  I played hockey for 11 years.

Exwinger (who played pro) disagrees with you sorry

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:36 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 02:47 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 13 November 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 13 November 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:


his numbers are probably right

but too bad you need the right genes to play college in those sports, even for women

silly comparison

Donít have to be very big to play hockey or lacrosse at all.  Certainly no more so than golf

running (skating) speed over short distances is highly genetic

No itís not.  It can be taught and trained quite easily.  My brother played D1 lacrosse and ran about a 5.2 40.  I played hockey for 11 years.

Exwinger (who played pro) disagrees with you sorry

Your sarcasm meter is broken

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:39 PM

View Postkekoa, on 14 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

Show of hands.  

Lets say your junior was smart and an absolute phenom in golf?  How many of you would send them to an Ivy league school? Harvard, Yale, etc....   Note that Stanford isn't Ivy League.

Keoka,

First you have to qualify academically

Merely smart doesnít cut it

Have to be really great academically if you play niche sports like golf and tennis to get into top schools

Academic Index self explanatory

Junior golf phenom still has probably less than 10% chance to make it as touring pro

Might as well aim for top schools

Other great academic + golf include Duke, Northwestern, Cal Berkeley

UVA and UNC are also ok academics

If you want to get into high paid professional job best go to school with good brand recognition for academics


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:44 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:


Your sarcasm meter is broken

You cannot be (naturally) slow and small and uncoordinated and make it sorry

Have to be outstanding in at least two and at worst average in third: size/strength, speed/agility, coordination/skill

Itís the same in most sports

You teach top players - why you argue with this?

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:51 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 05:44 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:


Your sarcasm meter is broken

You cannot be (naturally) slow and small and uncoordinated and make it sorry

Have to be outstanding in at least two and at worst average in third: size/strength, speed/agility, coordination/skill

Itís the same in most sports

You teach top players - why you argue with this?

Speed/agility/ coordination can be taught and are learned skills. Nobody is born knowing how to walk let alone run/skate.   Plenty of top lacrosse players are smaller than 5í10.  Best attack and Defenseman on my brothers D1 team were both 5í7, the attack was maybe 140lbs.   Iíve been a professional in 2 different sports and am 5í7.

Yes I do teach top players and genetics have very little to do with their success.  Youíre trying to make excuses why kids fail and your doing so before they even have a chance.

Edited by iteachgolf, 14 November 2018 - 05:53 PM.


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#28 TigerMom

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 06:01 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 05:44 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:


Your sarcasm meter is broken

You cannot be (naturally) slow and small and uncoordinated and make it sorry

Have to be outstanding in at least two and at worst average in third: size/strength, speed/agility, coordination/skill

Itís the same in most sports

You teach top players - why you argue with this?

Speed/agility/ coordination can be taught and are learned skills. Nobody is born knowing how to walk let alone run/skate.   Plenty of top lacrosse players are smaller than 5í10.  Best attack and Defenseman on my brothers D1 team were both 5í7, the attack was maybe 140lbs.   Iíve been a professional in 2 different sports and am 5í7.

Yes I do teach top players and genetics have very little to do with their success.  Youíre trying to make excuses why kids fail and your doing so before they even have a chance.

There are innate aptitudes for everything

Just because you can become proficient at something through hard work doesnít mean you can become really great

The best athletes have great genes and work really hard too

How can someone with less natural ability compete with someone who was ďborn with itĒ and busts butte

This is not controversial

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 06:09 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 05:44 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:


Your sarcasm meter is broken

You cannot be (naturally) slow and small and uncoordinated and make it sorry

Have to be outstanding in at least two and at worst average in third: size/strength, speed/agility, coordination/skill

Itís the same in most sports

You teach top players - why you argue with this?

Speed/agility/ coordination can be taught and are learned skills. Nobody is born knowing how to walk let alone run/skate.   Plenty of top lacrosse players are smaller than 5í10.  Best attack and Defenseman on my brothers D1 team were both 5í7, the attack was maybe 140lbs.   Iíve been a professional in 2 different sports and am 5í7.

Yes I do teach top players and genetics have very little to do with their success.  Youíre trying to make excuses why kids fail and your doing so before they even have a chance.

There are innate aptitudes for everything

Just because you can become proficient at something through hard work doesnít mean you can become really great

The best athletes have great genes and work really hard too

How can someone with less natural ability compete with someone who was ďborn with itĒ and busts butte

This is not controversial

Except that the things you claim people are born with arenít genetic. They are learned.  


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 06:17 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 06:09 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 14 November 2018 - 05:44 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 14 November 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:


Your sarcasm meter is broken

You cannot be (naturally) slow and small and uncoordinated and make it sorry

Have to be outstanding in at least two and at worst average in third: size/strength, speed/agility, coordination/skill

Itís the same in most sports

You teach top players - why you argue with this?

Speed/agility/ coordination can be taught and are learned skills. Nobody is born knowing how to walk let alone run/skate.   Plenty of top lacrosse players are smaller than 5í10.  Best attack and Defenseman on my brothers D1 team were both 5í7, the attack was maybe 140lbs.   Iíve been a professional in 2 different sports and am 5í7.

Yes I do teach top players and genetics have very little to do with their success.  Youíre trying to make excuses why kids fail and your doing so before they even have a chance.

There are innate aptitudes for everything

Just because you can become proficient at something through hard work doesnít mean you can become really great

The best athletes have great genes and work really hard too

How can someone with less natural ability compete with someone who was ďborn with itĒ and busts butte

This is not controversial

Except that the things you claim people are born with arenít genetic. They are learned.  

Running fast and big size are not learned

Even strength has limitations


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