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#1 Barfolomew

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 04:35 PM

My home course is a beautiful hilly course with nice views etc... But the course sucks now cause the greens got a disease and tough to putt on!  Even the practice greens are no good now....

Why not put in fake greens? There will be very little maintenance needed besides a leaf blower and the perfect roll would be awesome even for pro courses.

I dont know how they would be to hit a ball into them but if they currently suck for hitting shots into I think it would be worthwhile to design a green that would be receptive to shots...

You could make a mediocre course instantly much better with perfect rolls and might be a great long term money saver....

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 04:51 PM

good question, I am sure this topic has been discussed on here before. Obviously there will be people who are very much purists and will be against this. Obviously were not saying every single course should do this as many courses don't need to even consider it because they do well enough financially that it isn't an issue but for munis or an average course that those same people wouldn't be caught dead at I don't see why not. Youre absolutely right in the longterm it will save money and maintenance over a grass green especially for courses who cannot afford it. Especially in harsher climates. I think many of these same courses would benefit from turf tee boxes.

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 06:40 PM

I think as innovation continues in synthetic greens it will happen... probably still years away though
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Posted 12 November 2018 - 07:17 PM

How would they drain?

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 07:29 PM

With synthetic greens, moving hole locations would be impossible. Unless they put multiple holes and had some type of plug sys

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 07:30 PM

My BIL who lives in Houston has one in his backyard.  There's more maintenance than you might think, plus his gets nasty mold.  Drainage for my bil's is not a problem, the slopes channel water away.  Even with a synthetic green, you would still have to have grass for surrounds.

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 08:17 PM

View Postode1, on 12 November 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

How would they drain?

Proper contouring and drainage surrounding the green, along with drain tiles subsurface.

View Postcradd10, on 12 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

With synthetic greens, moving hole locations would be impossible. Unless they put multiple holes and had some type of plug sys

That’s exactly what happens. There’s just a cap that locks in, may have been a modification made by the owner, but it just snaps in there’s four locations on his green.

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 08:40 PM

I remember a Par 3 course in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio called the Little Bear.  It was designed by Jack Nicklaus with synthetic greens, tees and fairways.

I never played it and often wondered if it was still there.

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 11:03 PM

I think the main problems would be holding shots and getting avid/serious golfers to play there.

It might work at a budget course with low rates.

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 11:39 PM

It would wear and need to be replaced often enough that you wouldn’t save any money

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:56 AM

View PostArtMBgolf, on 12 November 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

I think the main problems would be holding shots and getting avid/serious golfers to play there.

It might work at a budget course with low rates.
Agreed. Perhaps appropriate for courses where golfers tee off from a range mat...

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 11:54 AM

The new synthetic stuff is getting better, but I'd venture what happens at mini golf courses would still happen on the turf. You know what I mean, when basically a path is worn into the "carpet" from balls repeatedly going on that line. I could see something like that happening.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:06 PM

A few places have gone so far as to carpet the whole golf course.

The only way it makes sense to me is Antarctica.

Direct sunlight pawns synthetic fiber.  4 million sq. ft. of carpet can't be cheap.

Your course needs temporary greens and a new super.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:36 PM

Here's the answer, sand greens:
http://www.kcur.org/...ssouri#stream/0

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:32 PM

View Postdbleag, on 12 November 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

I remember a Par 3 course in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio called the Little Bear.  It was designed by Jack Nicklaus with synthetic greens, tees and fairways.

I never played it and often wondered if it was still there.

View PostArtMBgolf, on 12 November 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

I think the main problems would be holding shots and getting avid/serious golfers to play there.

It might work at a budget course with low rates.
I have heard of Little Bear but never actually been there.
Based on the online reviews, holding shots is definitely the main issue.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:35 PM

Sand greens used to be huge in the rural west.  Makes a lot of sense.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:54 PM

I like the idea of a two putt max instead.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 02:18 PM

View Postcradd10, on 12 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

With synthetic greens, moving hole locations would be impossible. Unless they put multiple holes and had some type of plug sys

I think you proposed a potential prob and solved it in one fell swoop lol...
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Posted 13 November 2018 - 02:32 PM

Artificial greens are not cheap, and difficult to maintain. People who purchase artificial greens for their homes quickly find out that it takes a lot of maintenance to maintain them. The heaving of winter freeze and thaw would wreak havoc on them as well. I think the idea has been thought over many times before and courses realize the cons of artificial turf and just keep natural turf because it is easier for the golf courses to maintain.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:33 PM

Because it would turn what is apparently a mediocre course because of a problem that should be temporary into a crappy course.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 07:34 PM

because it would mean putting on carpet instead of greens ...

greens are made of grass ...

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 07:58 PM

View Postode1, on 12 November 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

How would they drain?

The same way all the synthetic football fields drain?
Clubs are fluid

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:39 PM

Would be like putting on a mini golf set up. I suspect that seams would eventually stick up, grain would be weird if there is any.

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Posted 16 November 2018 - 01:26 PM

View Posthybrid25, on 13 November 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

Artificial greens are not cheap, and difficult to maintain. People who purchase artificial greens for their homes quickly find out that it takes a lot of maintenance to maintain them. The heaving of winter freeze and thaw would wreak havoc on them as well. I think the idea has been thought over many times before and courses realize the cons of artificial turf and just keep natural turf because it is easier for the golf courses to maintain.

Sorry I live in So Cal and have no idea what this winter freeze is that your talkin bout lol....
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 08:57 PM

They'ed probably be as good as the mats you have on driving ranges, fake greens, fake mats.  Hit a ball off a mat and you think you can play, try that 3-wood off the turf and see what happens.  Fly that 6-iron into that fake green and watch the ball react, never the same.

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 09:45 PM

View Postdavep043, on 13 November 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

Here's the answer, sand greens:
http://www.kcur.org/...ssouri#stream/0
Ha, that brings back old memories. I played on couple courses with sand greens in early 1980's. Both of them no longer exists. It was an unique experience, both of them are very low maintenance course.

Harrisonville is only 90 miles away but I don't think play it. But maybe will just for old time's sake.
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 09:56 PM

how often would you/could you, move the hole location on a" rug"?
synthetic greens of a typical moderate size are very expensive in the long run.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 09:07 AM

View PostBarfolomew, on 16 November 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

View Posthybrid25, on 13 November 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

Artificial greens are not cheap, and difficult to maintain. People who purchase artificial greens for their homes quickly find out that it takes a lot of maintenance to maintain them. The heaving of winter freeze and thaw would wreak havoc on them as well. I think the idea has been thought over many times before and courses realize the cons of artificial turf and just keep natural turf because it is easier for the golf courses to maintain.

Sorry I live in So Cal and have no idea what this winter freeze is that your talkin bout lol....
It still would take too much maintenance, and they still would not settle into place very long. How would you move he's around? They would be a costly pita. So Cals don't understand anyway. lol

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