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Strong lofts in the Srixon Z785/765 long irons compared to other player cavity backs.


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#1 chrisp

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 07:50 PM

Currently playing MP59 irons in their standard published lofts.

While looking into the Z785's I noticed that the 5 iron has 25 degrees of loft which is practically a 4 iron.
(This would allow for a 3rd wedge)



Has anyone who plays the Z765/785 irons noticed an increase in distance compared to what they previously played?


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:37 PM

I have the 745s and they are about a club longer than my more traditionally lofted 716 cbs.  Cool thing is, the long irons can still get up in the air.  I still only play a two wedge (not including PW) set up, though, but I can see why some would want to throw a third wedge in there.  Fantastic irons.  I have hit the 785s and they feel a tad softer than the 745s to me.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 10:44 PM

View PostNixhex524, on 08 November 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

I have the 745s and they are about a club longer than my more traditionally lofted 716 cbs.  Cool thing is, the long irons can still get up in the air.  I still only play a two wedge (not including PW) set up, though, but I can see why some would want to throw a third wedge in there.  Fantastic irons.  I have hit the 785s and they feel a tad softer than the 745s to me.


Thanks for the response.

I ask because my current set up is the following:
Driver
3W
20 & 23 degree Apex Hybrids
4-PW MP59
52 & 58 Vokey
Putter

When I took up the game, my PW was 49-50 degrees.
Been using a 46 degree PW for years now.


The idea of 25 degree 5 iron would allow for 50 degree wedge as well as two more.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 11:54 PM

View Postchrisp, on 08 November 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

View PostNixhex524, on 08 November 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

I have the 745s and they are about a club longer than my more traditionally lofted 716 cbs.  Cool thing is, the long irons can still get up in the air.  I still only play a two wedge (not including PW) set up, though, but I can see why some would want to throw a third wedge in there.  Fantastic irons.  I have hit the 785s and they feel a tad softer than the 745s to me.


Thanks for the response.

I ask because my current set up is the following:
Driver
3W
20 & 23 degree Apex Hybrids
4-PW MP59
52 & 58 Vokey
Putter

When I took up the game, my PW was 49-50 degrees.
Been using a 46 degree PW for years now.


The idea of 25 degree 5 iron would allow for 50 degree wedge as well as two more.

Yeah, I was originally playing a 52/58 wedge combo but recently went to a 50/56 as there was a little but larger gap between PW and 52 than I liked.  So far I am happy with the change and I do appreciate the stronger lofts of the Srixons, great irons.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:02 AM

25 degree 5 iron is fairly average now.  Not only a stronger loft but many makers have made them longer.  

I just purchased a set of Bridgestone Irons and the 7 iron is 26 degrees.

Edited by Guia, 09 November 2018 - 12:49 AM.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:17 AM

View PostGuia, on 09 November 2018 - 12:02 AM, said:

I just purchased a set of Bridgestone Irons and the 7 iron is 23 degrees.
What Bridgestone irons are those? That's insane even by the modern loft creep.

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:20 AM

BRIDGESTONE TOUR B JGR HF1

Opps, I misspoke, the 7 iron is 26 degrees.

Edited by Guia, 09 November 2018 - 12:22 AM.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 04:05 AM

View Postchrisp, on 08 November 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

View PostNixhex524, on 08 November 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

I have the 745s and they are about a club longer than my more traditionally lofted 716 cbs.  Cool thing is, the long irons can still get up in the air.  I still only play a two wedge (not including PW) set up, though, but I can see why some would want to throw a third wedge in there.  Fantastic irons.  I have hit the 785s and they feel a tad softer than the 745s to me.


Thanks for the response.

I ask because my current set up is the following:
Driver
3W
20 & 23 degree Apex Hybrids
4-PW MP59
52 & 58 Vokey
Putter

When I took up the game, my PW was 49-50 degrees.
Been using a 46 degree PW for years now.


The idea of 25 degree 5 iron would allow for 50 degree wedge as well as two more.

I play 765's from 5-PW then 50, 54 & 58 degree wedges. I used to carry a 3 iron but decided to get a 565 4-iron to bridge the gap to my #3 MP Fli-Hi.

If you go for them (and I recommend you do, they are beautiful irons) I imagine you'll drop the 23 degree hybrid and go 20 deg then 4-PW.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 07:40 AM

For a "players" iron the typical specs for a blade style club have changed over the last 20 years but not that drastically.
~ I recall about 15-20 years ago "standard" 3i to P was 22, 25, 28, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48
~ Then they went 1* stronger 3i to P of 21, 24, 27, 31, 35, 39, 43, 47
~ Then companies changed where the 4* gaping started and 3i to P became 21, 24, 37, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46
>> Modern standard today for players clubs like MP18 / MP18 SC is very commonly 21, 24, 37, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46

Comparing the Srixon z585/785 lofts to the Mizuno MP18 or Titleist MB/CB lofts the Srixon are stronger lofted.
~ The 4i thru 8i are 2* stronger, the 9i is 1* stronger and the PW is standard.
>> The lengths of the clubs are also more traditional standard (39" 3i down to 35.5" PW).
>>> Side note - I have heard some people say that Srixon has issues measuring the correct shaft length, you may want to order the shafts "uncut" w/ "grips in box".

As the poster ahead of me said you will probably be looking at three wedges in addition to the 5-P set of Srixon z585 or z785.
~ GW - 50 | SW - 54 | LW - 58
~ GW - 50 | SW - 55 | LW - 60
~ GW - 51 | SW - 56 | LW - 61

Edited by jmiller2, 09 November 2018 - 07:46 AM.

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 09:20 PM

Iím strongly considering the 765ís up against the 18 SCís. I play MP33ís which have a 48* pw, and I knew going in to the process of getting new clubs that they would be stronger, but what I found strange were the gaps in the scoring irons. I donít recall ever seeing a set with 5* gaps.

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 10:55 AM

I believe that on the past clubs were gapped solely by loft. With the better testing they can do now with Trackman and such they have learned that the gapping should narrow more at the top and widen at the bottom. The gap from 765 pw to aw is 5į. We all get to hung up on numbers on the club rather than numbers on the course. And that's loft numbers and the scorecard! :)
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 03:07 AM

View PostShilgy, on 10 November 2018 - 10:55 AM, said:

I believe that on the past clubs were gapped solely by loft. With the better testing they can do now with Trackman and such they have learned that the gapping should narrow more at the top and widen at the bottom. The gap from 765 pw to aw is 5°. We all get to hung up on numbers on the club rather than numbers on the course. And that's loft numbers and the scorecard! :)

I  really want to believe the comment regarding testing with Trackman when determining iron lofts prior to product launch.


Unfortunately I have met many low handicap & scratch golfers who have told me they have had to add a 50degree wedge or weaken the lofts in their irons to try to close the gap between PW and SW.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 11:04 AM

View Postchrisp, on 11 November 2018 - 03:07 AM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 10 November 2018 - 10:55 AM, said:

I believe that on the past clubs were gapped solely by loft. With the better testing they can do now with Trackman and such they have learned that the gapping should narrow more at the top and widen at the bottom. The gap from 765 pw to aw is 5į. We all get to hung up on numbers on the club rather than numbers on the course. And that's loft numbers and the scorecard! :)

I  really want to believe the comment regarding testing with Trackman when determining iron lofts prior to product launch.


Unfortunately I have met many low handicap & scratch golfers who have told me they have had to add a 50degree wedge or weaken the lofts in their irons to try to close the gap between PW and SW.
That's two different things. Yes the loft in irons is stronger than it used to be requiring the need, or want, for a gap wedge.  That is different from what I was replying to which was the idea that the narrower gaps on the longer irons was not desirable.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 11:55 AM

From my experience having hit the XForged 5 iron (26 degree 5) vs the z785 (25 degrees) and JPX 919 Tours (26 degrees) - birth he Callaway and Mizuno hit that launch window better and more consistently than the Z785.   I loved how they looked in the bag, but thatís as one of the reasons I moved them - a 25 degree 5 iron is closer to a 4 iron (24 degrees) than a 5 iron @ 27.

It just required me to think about bag make-up more than I wanted.  And consistency is as better with the more familiar loft of a 5 (27) that Iíve played a long time.

Edited by lordemsworth, 11 November 2018 - 11:55 AM.


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 04:42 PM

View Postchrisp, on 11 November 2018 - 03:07 AM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 10 November 2018 - 10:55 AM, said:

I believe that on the past clubs were gapped solely by loft. With the better testing they can do now with Trackman and such they have learned that the gapping should narrow more at the top and widen at the bottom. The gap from 765 pw to aw is 5°. We all get to hung up on numbers on the club rather than numbers on the course. And that's loft numbers and the scorecard! :)

I  really want to believe the comment regarding testing with Trackman when determining iron lofts prior to product launch.


Unfortunately I have met many low handicap & scratch golfers who have told me they have had to add a 50degree wedge or weaken the lofts in their irons to try to close the gap between PW and SW.

Most golfers have to add a gap wedge between PW and SW for last 10-15 years.  That's not many new irons have a 48 or 50 degree PW, right?

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