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Query Relating to Toulon, Bettinardi & Scotty Cameron Putters


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#1 DHarry

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 03:06 PM

Hi guys,

Based on the prices, these appear to me to be high end premium putters. I feel that I am not brainwashed or do not “fall” for the marketing of new putter face tech each year that it will help me roll it better and offer more forgiveness on mishits.
I will say that I do think the PING TR grooves help me with mishits and Evnroll putters did seem to be very consistent across the face although I did not like the feel of them.
I in no way am intending to run down the 3 brands that I mentioned, in the title, but am I right in saying that these 3 lines offer no help with rolling the ball or on off center hits?
Again, I am not saying that lines like the O-Works or the Taylormade true roll face will 100% make me a better putter but the three premium lines I have mentioned appear to really punish me on off center hits.
I would not consider myself a poor putter but it is something I noticed. I know they are not marketed with face tech, but are the lines that I mentioned just merely beautifully looking putters? I am not overly concerned with the amount of pros gaming these putter because they tend to hit the center of the face time after time.
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Harry


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 03:40 PM

Well...by the sound of your post you are in the same boat as everyone else.  You tried 3 premium putters and all are not for you.  On to the next......
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Posted 02 November 2018 - 04:23 PM

View Postroundersmitty, on 02 November 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

Well...by the sound of your post you are in the same boat as everyone else.  You tried 3 premium putters and all are not for you.  On to the next......

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 04:47 PM

No different than any other piece of golf equipment. Some works for some and not others. Good thing is there’s a bunch of options out there

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 05:11 PM

I don't think there's any putter face or design that helps with off center hits.

If you like the PING TR grooves I'd encourage you to stick with PING.


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Posted 03 November 2018 - 05:38 AM

I honestly do believe that with robot testing you could prove that the TR grooves and EVNROLL putters do improve off strike hits.  

But I also honestly believe that there aren't any humans on earth who have a stroke consistent enough for any of this to matter.  There are just so many variables in such a short stroke that I think you are much better off picking something you like to look down on and feel confident with.  If you get the ball rolling well and feel confident, that's half the battle.

Good luck on the search.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 07:22 AM

The only putter I’ve ever seen really help with off centre hits is those SUPER high MOI Cure monstrosities. I guess if your putting is that bad then they’re good as a last resort.

As for Toulon, SC and Bettinardi, none of them have any face tech that will improve the roll to any significant degree. It’s all about the angle of strike, and if it’s not perfect ANY putter will put a bad roll on the ball.
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Posted 03 November 2018 - 11:52 AM

I personally found the Nike Method Matter mallet to be the best on off center hits but YMMV

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 02:36 PM

Ive had a few putters in the rotation including a Scotty Cameron Detour and a Ping Nome. IMO the high end boutique putters are made for players who put a really good consistent stroke on the ball. When I put a good stroke on my Scotty, it rolls like nothing else and really just tracks along it's line. I can't really explain it. It's the only putter I have had and just know instantly at impact I've made the putt.  The downside is that if you're stroke is off by even a hair you don't get that same roll. Even the impact has a different feel. The other putters don't have the same level of precision but you can get away with making a wonky stroke. They don't roll the same for me but I'm more likely to hole a bad putt or get it close. It's like comparing a blade to a sgi cavity back IMO.

FWIW I'm not a Cameron fanboy. I got it in a trade that was too good to pass up.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 06:38 PM

Thank you all for the replies.
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Posted 03 November 2018 - 06:45 PM

View Postnaj959, on 03 November 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Ive had a few putters in the rotation including a Scotty Cameron Detour and a Ping Nome. IMO the high end boutique putters are made for players who put a really good consistent stroke on the ball. When I put a good stroke on my Scotty, it rolls like nothing else and really just tracks along it's line. I can't really explain it. It's the only putter I have had and just know instantly at impact I've made the putt.  The downside is that if you're stroke is off by even a hair you don't get that same roll. Even the impact has a different feel. The other putters don't have the same level of precision but you can get away with making a wonky stroke. They don't roll the same for me but I'm more likely to hole a bad putt or get it close. It's like comparing a blade to a sgi cavity back IMO.

FWIW I'm not a Cameron fanboy. I got it in a trade that was too good to pass up.

This is essentially what I was attempting to say in a matter of speaking but you summarized it much better.
As you said, when it is a brilliant hit from one of these lines, wow it is good but when it is a hair off, it is not so great. That is just from own experience. I do not think that I hit the sweet spot every time and I do feel that I need some help when I hit a “wonky” putt.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 09:22 PM

View PostDHarry, on 03 November 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

Thank you all for the replies.
Harry
btw, high end putters can still have off center sweet spots. . .tiger putts towards the heel, and most scottys ive had are slightly off center.

pick a putter, get used to it. the best player i know was on titlelist staff for years, has plenty of high end stuff.

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 07:26 AM

Some of the best "feeling" putters I`ve hit are far from high end clubs. TP Mills from the 70`s and 80`s, and oddly enough the old school cheapo bullseye`s roll great.
I`m also not a believer that the more you pay for a putter the better it will perform, it`s only a chunk of metal, we are the ones controlling it`s path.

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Posted 05 November 2018 - 10:02 PM

View PostDHarry, on 03 November 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

View Postnaj959, on 03 November 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Ive had a few putters in the rotation including a Scotty Cameron Detour and a Ping Nome. IMO the high end boutique putters are made for players who put a really good consistent stroke on the ball. When I put a good stroke on my Scotty, it rolls like nothing else and really just tracks along it's line. I can't really explain it. It's the only putter I have had and just know instantly at impact I've made the putt.  The downside is that if you're stroke is off by even a hair you don't get that same roll. Even the impact has a different feel. The other putters don't have the same level of precision but you can get away with making a wonky stroke. They don't roll the same for me but I'm more likely to hole a bad putt or get it close. It's like comparing a blade to a sgi cavity back IMO.

FWIW I'm not a Cameron fanboy. I got it in a trade that was too good to pass up.

This is essentially what I was attempting to say in a matter of speaking but you summarized it much better.
As you said, when it is a brilliant hit from one of these lines, wow it is good but when it is a hair off, it is not so great. That is just from own experience. I do not think that I hit the sweet spot every time and I do feel that I need some help when I hit a “wonky” putt.

Harry
I've made more twenty to thirty foot putts this year then I have In my whole golfing life. That's why the Detour is my main putter. That being said, I have to really swing the putter correctly to get the most out of it. In the long run, I think this putter will make my stroke more consistent. When things start getting inconsistent with the Scotty, I find it helpful to swing a different putter from time to time to re-calibrate my stroke.

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