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Jordan Spieth - 2018 WITB


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Posted 06 November 2018 - 07:37 AM

View PostEBG, on 06 November 2018 - 07:18 AM, said:

Is the printed loft on his driver just nonsense? Seems weird he'd play a 10.5* head in the A1 setting (+.75 loft), after playing his 915 in 9.5 degrees.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 07:39 AM

View Postsfist, on 05 November 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

Canít believe heís going back to the 915. That thing is awful

I can.  Hotmelted itís a good head. And sound is much better.     He drove it worst on the field with the new stuff.  And his 3 wood wasnít even good. And it has been great with the 915.  Possibly the best overall fairway titleist ever made.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 07:48 AM

View PostEBG, on 06 November 2018 - 07:18 AM, said:

Is the printed loft on his driver just nonsense? Seems weird he'd play a 10.5* head in the A1 setting (+.75 loft), after playing his 915 in 9.5 degrees.

Isnít A-1 standard/standard?
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 07:51 AM

View PostEBG, on 06 November 2018 - 07:18 AM, said:

Is the printed loft on his driver just nonsense? Seems weird he'd play a 10.5* head in the A1 setting (+.75 loft), after playing his 915 in 9.5 degrees.

A1 is standard, no added loft

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 08:01 AM

View PostCStephenson17, on 06 November 2018 - 07:51 AM, said:

View PostEBG, on 06 November 2018 - 07:18 AM, said:

Is the printed loft on his driver just nonsense? Seems weird he'd play a 10.5* head in the A1 setting (+.75 loft), after playing his 915 in 9.5 degrees.

A1 is standard, no added loft

I'm an idiot. I looked at the left hand Surefit table (where A1 is added loft)

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 08:43 AM

46-52-56 wedges?

no 60?

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 08:51 AM

He tests it out, gets everything dialed in on LM, and gets it out on the course and itís completely different? Sounds like the majority of Spiethís issues...in his head!
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 09:09 AM

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View Postsfist, on 05 November 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

Can't believe he's going back to the 915. That thing is awful

I can.  Hotmelted it's a good head. And sound is much better. He drove it worst on the field with the new stuff.  And his 3 wood wasn't even good. And it has been great with the 915.  Possibly the best overall fairway titleist ever made.

I'm agreeing with you on the 915F. Tried the 917F2 and F3 and gave the TS2 and TS3 fairways a go and thanks but no thanks when it comes from me.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 09:21 AM

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View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 07:39 AM, said:

View Postsfist, on 05 November 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

Can't believe he's going back to the 915. That thing is awful

I can.  Hotmelted it's a good head. And sound is much better.     He drove it worst on the field with the new stuff.  And his 3 wood wasn't even good. And it has been great with the 915.  Possibly the best overall fairway titleist ever made.

I'm agreeing with you on the 915F. Tried the 917F2 and F3 and gave the TS2 and TS3 fairways a go and thanks but no thanks when it comes from me.

Yep.  Aside from my beloved 17m1 3 wood heads the 915f would be my next choice.  Super fast , sound good look good and you just donít get the squirrelly stray shots you do with a lot of other 3 woods.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 09:23 AM

View PostDRRicks, on 06 November 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

He tests it out, gets everything dialed in on LM, and gets it out on the course and itís completely different? Sounds like the majority of Spiethís issues...in his head!

Maybe so.  But Iíve done this 100 times.  The combo I love most is my 3 wood. Found it by complete happenstance.  I hate the addi In a Driver. Itís sucks.  Stabbed it into 3 wood for kicks and itís 2 years old now.  You know how long 2 years in the bag is in wrx years ?  Like 100.  Thatís how good it is.  And it beat 100 trackman queens to do it.


All youíre seeing with Spieth is that heís realized some more carry on trackman via spin reduction.  Thn took it to the course and realized spin  is your friend.  Low low spin is out of control if you have speed behind it.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 09:50 AM

View PostObsessed, on 06 November 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

46-52-56 wedges?

no 60?

Definitely has a 60 in the bag, I imagine that the photos were shot whilst Jordan was off practicing with it or some such.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 09:54 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

View PostDRRicks, on 06 November 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

He tests it out, gets everything dialed in on LM, and gets it out on the course and it's completely different? Sounds like the majority of Spieth's issues...in his head!

Maybe so.  But I've done this 100 times.  The combo I love most is my 3 wood. Found it by complete happenstance.  I hate the addi In a Driver. It's sucks.  Stabbed it into 3 wood for kicks and it's 2 years old now. You know how long 2 years in the bag is in wrx years ?  Like 100. That's how good it is.  And it beat 100 trackman queens to do it.


All you're seeing with Spieth is that he's realized some more carry on trackman via spin reduction.  Thn took it to the course and realized spin  is your friend.  Low low spin is out of control if you have speed behind it.

LOL

So how bad is it if we Spieth with the 915s back in the bag soon?
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 10:02 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 07:39 AM, said:

View Postsfist, on 05 November 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

Can't believe he's going back to the 915. That thing is awful

I can.  Hotmelted it's a good head. And sound is much better. He drove it worst on the field with the new stuff.  And his 3 wood wasn't even good. And it has been great with the 915.  Possibly the best overall fairway titleist ever made.

915 series is really solid - both drivers and FW's.  915F is still in the bag - I can't find a FW to beat it for feel, sound and accuracy.  I still use my 915 D2 in my travel set and it's a fairway finder - not as long as the 917 D2 but more accurate for me.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 11:02 AM

ďBut the game, I thought that although I didn'tómy result wasn't fantastic, this was progressively better through the bag. I'm in a new driver and 3-wood that aren't spinning at all, so I'm going to go back to my old stuff next week until I find one that's optimized. Ö I played a lot better than I scored, and that happens sometimes.Ē

What kind of spin are we looking at that he is spinning it so low he's losing accuracy? I wish that was my problem, high spin for dayssssss.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 11:19 AM

View PostWdwfreak, on 06 November 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

ďBut the game, I thought that although I didn'tómy result wasn't fantastic, this was progressively better through the bag. I'm in a new driver and 3-wood that aren't spinning at all, so I'm going to go back to my old stuff next week until I find one that's optimized. Ö I played a lot better than I scored, and that happens sometimes.Ē

What kind of spin are we looking at that he is spinning it so low he's losing accuracy? I wish that was my problem, high spin for dayssssss.

You and me both. But itís his delivery. He hits up on Driver. He isnít going to over spin any Driver.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 11:53 AM

Statistically I feel like his driving has taken a nosedive since 2015.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 12:01 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

View PostWdwfreak, on 06 November 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

ďBut the game, I thought that although I didn'tómy result wasn't fantastic, this was progressively better through the bag. I'm in a new driver and 3-wood that aren't spinning at all, so I'm going to go back to my old stuff next week until I find one that's optimized. Ö I played a lot better than I scored, and that happens sometimes.Ē

What kind of spin are we looking at that he is spinning it so low he's losing accuracy? I wish that was my problem, high spin for dayssssss.

You and me both. But itís his delivery. He hits up on Driver. He isnít going to over spin any Driver.

But..he hit up on his driver while testing as well. Certainly Titleist didnít put him into a driver that was so low spin as to hinder his performance. Just seems like an excuse for poor play.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 12:09 PM

View Postsfist, on 06 November 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Statistically I feel like his driving has taken a nosedive since 2015.

Can you statistically feel something?

For what it is worth his Strokes Gained off the Tee the last few years have been
2015 - .494 15th
2016 - .402 29th
2017 - .283 53rd
2018 - .254 54th

Not much of a nosedive but certainly a downward trend.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 12:55 PM

Trackman data on his 4 measured drives in Vegas:

Spin rate - 2,261rpm
Hang time - 5.1 seconds
Apex height - 89'11"
Launch Angle - 12.06*

compared to his 2018 season data:

Spin rate - 2,335rpm
Hang time - 6.3 seconds
Apex height - 110'9"
Launch Angle - 12.26*

While we should be mindful of the small sample size and somewhat different climate conditions (Vegas is at 2k elevation), the data would suggest that his tee shots weren't getting high enough nor were they staying airborne for as long as he's used to with his previous driver.  

FWIW, his spin rate, apex and hang time all ranked at/near the bottom on measured drives through 3 events this year.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 01:25 PM

Whoa, shoes without spikes! Are those just for practice or does he game those shoes? Can't imagine moisture on the grass and those shoes holding up in a golf round.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 01:33 PM

View Postmctrees02, on 06 November 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Trackman data on his 4 measured drives in Vegas:

Spin rate - 2,261rpm
Hang time - 5.1 seconds
Apex height - 89'11"
Launch Angle - 12.06*

compared to his 2018 season data:

Spin rate - 2,335rpm
Hang time - 6.3 seconds
Apex height - 110'9"
Launch Angle - 12.26*

While we should be mindful of the small sample size and somewhat different climate conditions (Vegas is at 2k elevation), the data would suggest that his tee shots weren't getting high enough nor were they staying airborne for as long as he's used to with his previous driver.  

FWIW, his spin rate, apex and hang time all ranked at/near the bottom on measured drives through 3 events this year.

That's pretty interesting and makes sense why he's frustrated, where'd you find that info? I know it's a small sample but if that's been a trend I can understand being aggravated
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 01:46 PM

Loft up, Jordan!

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 02:13 PM

View PostWdwfreak, on 06 November 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

View Postmctrees02, on 06 November 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Trackman data on his 4 measured drives in Vegas:

Spin rate - 2,261rpm
Hang time - 5.1 seconds
Apex height - 89'11"
Launch Angle - 12.06*

compared to his 2018 season data:

Spin rate - 2,335rpm
Hang time - 6.3 seconds
Apex height - 110'9"
Launch Angle - 12.26*

While we should be mindful of the small sample size and somewhat different climate conditions (Vegas is at 2k elevation), the data would suggest that his tee shots weren't getting high enough nor were they staying airborne for as long as he's used to with his previous driver.  

FWIW, his spin rate, apex and hang time all ranked at/near the bottom on measured drives through 3 events this year.

That's pretty interesting and makes sense why he's frustrated, where'd you find that info? I know it's a small sample but if that's been a trend I can understand being aggravated
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 02:24 PM

Popular shaft choice these days. Even got RF in it.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 02:51 PM

View PostWdwfreak, on 06 November 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

What kind of spin are we looking at that he is spinning it so low he's losing accuracy? I wish that was my problem, high spin for dayssssss.

I didn't have a much on course success with the TS3 (exaggerated misses right) and I think it was spin related.

Went back to my M1 and hitting nearly every fairway I look at. I hit some absolute bombs with the TS3 when it went straight, but I'm much happier with a driver that spins at 2900-3000 rpm if it goes where I want.

Edited by Rig14Port, 06 November 2018 - 02:51 PM.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 03:01 PM

View PostDRRicks, on 06 November 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

View PostWdwfreak, on 06 November 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

ďBut the game, I thought that although I didn'tómy result wasn't fantastic, this was progressively better through the bag. I'm in a new driver and 3-wood that aren't spinning at all, so I'm going to go back to my old stuff next week until I find one that's optimized. Ö I played a lot better than I scored, and that happens sometimes.Ē

What kind of spin are we looking at that he is spinning it so low he's losing accuracy? I wish that was my problem, high spin for dayssssss.

You and me both. But itís his delivery. He hits up on Driver. He isnít going to over spin any Driver.

But..he hit up on his driver while testing as well. Certainly Titleist didnít put him into a driver that was so low spin as to hinder his performance. Just seems like an excuse for poor play.

Fitters wow people with bigger carry every single day.  And is less playable most of the time.

Think about it.  They desperately want Spieth tp play the latest offerings.  So they show him bigger carry via lower spin on trackman.  .  He bites.  Takes it to the course and hates it. Why ?  Unless perfect launch conditions it wonít stay on the air long enough to go anywhere.  

They are trying to sell him just like you and me.

Excuses are made up - reasons are factual.  Data says itís fact.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 03:11 PM

Seems like there is just a flight window that he likes to see his ball in and its just not there, doesn't look like the club is too poorly fit its just not what hes used to seeing. Hopefully he can figure something out and get back into the winners circle soon
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 06:43 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

View PostDRRicks, on 06 November 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

View PostWdwfreak, on 06 November 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

ďBut the game, I thought that although I didn'tómy result wasn't fantastic, this was progressively better through the bag. I'm in a new driver and 3-wood that aren't spinning at all, so I'm going to go back to my old stuff next week until I find one that's optimized. Ö I played a lot better than I scored, and that happens sometimes.Ē

What kind of spin are we looking at that he is spinning it so low he's losing accuracy? I wish that was my problem, high spin for dayssssss.

You and me both. But itís his delivery. He hits up on Driver. He isnít going to over spin any Driver.

But..he hit up on his driver while testing as well. Certainly Titleist didnít put him into a driver that was so low spin as to hinder his performance. Just seems like an excuse for poor play.

Fitters wow people with bigger carry every single day.  And is less playable most of the time.

Think about it.  They desperately want Spieth tp play the latest offerings.  So they show him bigger carry via lower spin on trackman.  .  He bites.  Takes it to the course and hates it. Why ?  Unless perfect launch conditions it wonít stay on the air long enough to go anywhere.  

They are trying to sell him just like you and me.

Excuses are made up - reasons are factual.  Data says itís fact.

Wait wait, why would it differ for so much from testing?

I'm sorry for being confused but are you saying in testing it looks great but you get wind or other factors and maybe a swing differing slightly from the range and the low spin is keeping him away from more distance? It's basically falling out of the air? So then why is it ever showing better on testing? It seems the overy low spin would be caught in testing.  I feel like I'm thinking too much on this but Im confused.

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 09:09 PM

View PostWdwfreak, on 06 November 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

View PostDRRicks, on 06 November 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 06 November 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

View PostWdwfreak, on 06 November 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

ďBut the game, I thought that although I didn'tómy result wasn't fantastic, this was progressively better through the bag. I'm in a new driver and 3-wood that aren't spinning at all, so I'm going to go back to my old stuff next week until I find one that's optimized. Ö I played a lot better than I scored, and that happens sometimes.Ē

What kind of spin are we looking at that he is spinning it so low he's losing accuracy? I wish that was my problem, high spin for dayssssss.

You and me both. But itís his delivery. He hits up on Driver. He isnít going to over spin any Driver.

But..he hit up on his driver while testing as well. Certainly Titleist didnít put him into a driver that was so low spin as to hinder his performance. Just seems like an excuse for poor play.

Fitters wow people with bigger carry every single day.  And is less playable most of the time.

Think about it.  They desperately want Spieth tp play the latest offerings.  So they show him bigger carry via lower spin on trackman.  .  He bites.  Takes it to the course and hates it. Why ?  Unless perfect launch conditions it wonít stay on the air long enough to go anywhere.  

They are trying to sell him just like you and me.

Excuses are made up - reasons are factual.  Data says itís fact.

Wait wait, why would it differ for so much from testing?

I'm sorry for being confused but are you saying in testing it looks great but you get wind or other factors and maybe a swing differing slightly from the range and the low spin is keeping him away from more distance? It's basically falling out of the air? So then why is it ever showing better on testing? It seems the overy low spin would be caught in testing.  I feel like I'm thinking too much on this but Im confused.

It is a confusing situation for sure.  But Iíve been throug it too many times.  I only have one club in my bag that is the result of a pro fitting that stuck.  And Iíve been fit many times for everything.  

His hang time alone is a full second less. To me thatís huge.  

Bottom line is heís a creature of habit.  Played the 910 forever and played that rbz 3 wood till it died.  They will have to get him a combo that does exactly what he wants Iím sure.  Those spin numbers are pretty low for a tour guy in my opinion. . Lots are hovering around 3k.  

In the end Iím just talking about what my opinions are.  Wouldnít shock me if they get on it and make him a combo he can test again this week. Unless heís just mad and having no more testing at this point.
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Posted 07 November 2018 - 04:10 PM

I feel the same way about Spieth as a lot of people feel about Reed.

Im a Dallas guy too so I should feel the opposite. But I dont

Edited by alecfeltman, 08 November 2018 - 10:16 AM.

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