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#1 ballin1

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 05:08 PM

Hey guys.  I'm a decent golfer who's has those "magic" days once in a while where my swing feels effortless and powerful.  But most of the time, its a struggle.  I think I have a pretty good grasp of the mechanics...now its just trying to fit it all together in one dynamic motion.

Anyways, I read about this "split grip" drill where you swing a mid-iron but with a split grip (about 3 inches of space between your left and right hand).  Just drilling, it felt great.  My right arm felt really powerful coming into the ball.  Then, when I went back to my normal grip and tried to duplicate the feeling, I felt like I was almost casting the thing...but the results were incredible.  My right felt really powerful.  Even with chips, it felt almost like a hockey swing (never played, but I imagine it would feel like it), with my right just completely feeling like its pushing the club through.  This goes contrary to what I have heard previously...that the left side should lead and be strong.

So I was wondering...can anyone tell me WHY this drill works and what concept its drilling into the body?  I was told that swing with a split grip teaches the proper body and arm blend in your swing...but I don't know why or how.

Thanks!

Edited by ballin1, 06 June 2008 - 05:10 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2008 - 09:24 PM

What it does is help you keep your arms and body in sync.

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 11:28 AM

Bump...

Hmm..sounds too easy.  Should I watch out for overdoing anything while I do this drill?

Any other thoughts?

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 12:24 PM

Because you consciously feel the exaggerated movement of the right hand independent of the left, this drill tends to help when you have an overactive and handsy release.  It is exercising the same idea of "holding the set" that you see emphasized in the slicefixer version of the 9 to 3.  What you are practicing in either drill is a release through the ball that relies on an accelerating/aggressive turn of the core/trunk/body to bring the left hand around in a good impact position (and through the ball) and essentially eliminate the right hand "hinge" that was hitherto overactive.  

This drill is great, but you want to step back from it and learn to make the exact same aggressive "body" turns and pivots to hit the ball with your normal grip.  The drill teaches you how to maintain your lag into the impact area, which is key, but MOST people do not really understand how to "release" that lag into a good impact position.  In the end, you want to train your hands to work together, without tension, and allow the momentum and power of your swing to naturally release the club.  But this release should be around your body and not "down-the-line" with a flip of the wrists/hands...which is pretty much the commonality of folks that are greatly helped by the split grip drill.

IF this drill is really helping your game, I pretty much guarantee that Slicefixer's 9 to 3 drill and swing theories will do the same.  One of my great "AHA!" moments (about 2 years ago) was reading about the split-hand drill to cure the snappers (I think it was Manzella where I first saw it) that set off a winding road of major swing changes that led me to slicefixer's theories.

By the way, try out the "shut-face" drill as well and see how it works for you.  Take a mid iron, hood the face 30 - 45 degrees THEN grip the club.  Try to hit the ball as straight as possible with an aggressive body/pivot turn through the ball.  That was another of those "VOILA!" drills for me.

Cheers,
Tim

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 01:13 PM

^^^wow..thanks alot!

I swear this community is freakin awesome!  I learn more here than reading any of the golf magazines.


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Posted 09 June 2008 - 02:37 PM

View PostTEConnor, on Jun 9 2008, 01:24 PM, said:

By the way, try out the "shut-face" drill as well and see how it works for you. Take a mid iron, hood the face 30 - 45 degrees THEN grip the club. Try to hit the ball as straight as possible with an aggressive body/pivot turn through the ball. That was another of those "VOILA!" drills for me.

Cheers,
Tim

Tim, I've been having trouble making good contact with the ball lately.  If I do make good contact, I feel as if it's only because I was lucky enough on that particular swing.  I've been hitting everything on the heel of the club, not matter how much I try, and I've been hitting a lot of HUGE slices.  

I tried learning the 9 to 3 drill but I'm not sure how it works really...I tried watching that video but there isn't any sound.  Any pointers?

Also, is it even possible to hit the ball straight if you close the face as much as you suggested using the "shut face" drill?

Is there an "open face" drill counterpart that might help in getting the ball to go straight if I'm slicing?

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 10:27 AM

So I tried this split grip drill for the first time at the range yesterday and was hitting the ball straighter and longer than I ever do with my normal swing.  I'm still a beginner and learning the game (over 20 hdcp) and always felt like I started my downswing with my hands and not my core muscles, but I think this proves that.

TEConnor, I'll try and keep some of those swing thoughts in mind when I'm out practicing, they were really helpful.  

Similar to the poster above me, I'm a slicer and was wondering if the shut-face drill was more for people with hooking problems.  Like he said would a open-face drill be better for slicers?

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 11:44 AM

Flashfunk, the shut-face drill does work for slicers too. From what I've read on this forum (and there is ALOT of it), the shut face drill gives the slicer the feeling of holding lag thus ultimately preventing the OTT move. You must remember that this is just a drill, not to be used for anything over a 1/2 swing (search the 9-3 drill). According to Slicefixer, once you use a full swing with a normal grip and face alignment, your hands would automatically release and you'd hit the ball straight.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 09:39 AM

The split-hand grip drill works very simply….it engages in an exaggerated manner (and allows you to feel) the centrifugal force (pushing outward) coming through your right hand/arm and also the centripetal force (pulling inward) coming from your left hand/arm.  The centripetal force is directed inward by the rotation of the spine and torso while an equal amount of centrifugal force is directed outward.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 09:50 AM

Would this drill also help me shorten my swing??

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 09:05 PM

Depends on why it is long.  It can shorten the arm swing, due to keeping the right arm from overbending (more than a right angle), but not necessarily over-rotation of hips or shoulders.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

I use the Split grip as my regular grip........I look like happy gilmore but I play to scratch handicap......I use the grip for every club and every kind of shot.... even putting....I actually don't know if ill ever go back to a regular grip.

Its really funny watching peoples facial expression right before I address the ball and after I make impact.

They don't know what to say....except ...nice shot..??

Edited by justinp766, 13 April 2012 - 05:25 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:20 PM

View Postjustinp766, on 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I use the Split grip as my regular grip........I look like happy gilmore but I play to scratch handicap......I use the grip for every club and every kind of shot.... even putting....I actually don't know if ill ever go back to a regular grip.

Its really funny watching peoples facial expression right before I address the ball and after I make impact.

They don't know what to say....except ...nice shot..??

How far apart are your hands and what type of shots do you have trouble with

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:23 AM

View Postrussc, on 13 April 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

View Postjustinp766, on 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I use the Split grip as my regular grip........I look like happy gilmore but I play to scratch handicap......I use the grip for every club and every kind of shot.... even putting....I actually don't know if ill ever go back to a regular grip.

Its really funny watching peoples facial expression right before I address the ball and after I make impact.

They don't know what to say....except ...nice shot..??

How far apart are your hands and what type of shots do you have trouble with

you could probably fit 4 fingers between my top left hand and bottom right hand.

it feels completely natural to me... I dont even have to think about swing mechanics when addressing the ball and the only shots I have trouble with are getting up and down from the bunker mainly because I really don't get in the bunker too much and I just flat out don't practice bunker shots.

Too me it feels like my baseball swing and my slap shot swing....thats probally why I love it so much.
The ball fly's true and straight when both my hands are cocked and hinged correctly.

Ive only lost about 20 yards with my driver ...but if you hit bombs in them middle of the fairway then you really could care less about losing 20 yards.

Edited by justinp766, 14 April 2012 - 10:27 AM.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:14 PM

View Postjustinp766, on 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I use the Split grip as my regular grip........I look like happy gilmore but I play to scratch handicap......I use the grip for every club and every kind of shot.... even putting....I actually don't know if ill ever go back to a regular grip.

Its really funny watching peoples facial expression right before I address the ball and after I make impact.

They don't know what to say....except ...nice shot..??

No sh*t?  I gotta try this grip and/or drill and see what happens.


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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:05 PM

View Postjustinp766, on 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I use the Split grip as my regular grip........I look like happy gilmore but I play to scratch handicap......I use the grip for every club and every kind of shot.... even putting....I actually don't know if ill ever go back to a regular grip.

Its really funny watching peoples facial expression right before I address the ball and after I make impact.

They don't know what to say....except ...nice shot..??

Very interesting.st

It's early in the Canadian golf season... I'm playing awful and packed it in after 9 holes and went to the range... hit a bunch of shots with the split grip... pitches too... began to really feel my core working left... releasing it with the body like Geoff suggests...  way less curves and better contact. I even hit a bunch of drivers too...

i applaud you playing this way...

i might as well...

Cheers,

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:38 PM

If you find that the split hands drill works very well for you, then a transition into a 10 finger grip with the hands next to one another, works very well for a lot players.

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 12:24 PM

I've been a ten finger player for 40+ years and I may have gone to the split grip for good.  My wife has shoulder issues and has always played with a split grip, something her brother spent decades trying to get her to change, to no avail.  Her brother and I were at the range a couple of months ago and I decided to try it, more for laughs than anything else -- I was hitting the ball straight or with a slight draw pretty consistently.  So I played the last 6-7 rounds of the year like that and I was much more consistent with the long clubs and it didn't appear that I lost significant distance through the bag.  My left hand is pretty neutral with a long thumb with the right wrist just touching the tip of my left index finger -- this leaves my fingers about an inch and a half apart.  I had been using the unifified TackiMac jumbo grips (no taper), and they seem tailor made for this.

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:47 PM

View Postptjn1201, on 09 January 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

I've been a ten finger player for 40+ years and I may have gone to the split grip for good.  My wife has shoulder issues and has always played with a split grip, something her brother spent decades trying to get her to change, to no avail.  Her brother and I were at the range a couple of months ago and I decided to try it, more for laughs than anything else -- I was hitting the ball straight or with a slight draw pretty consistently.  So I played the last 6-7 rounds of the year like that and I was much more consistent with the long clubs and it didn't appear that I lost significant distance through the bag.  My left hand is pretty neutral with a long thumb with the right wrist just touching the tip of my left index finger -- this leaves my fingers about an inch and a half apart.  I had been using the unifified TackiMac jumbo grips (no taper), and they seem tailor made for this.

How big are those Tacki-mac jumbos? Do they run small? I have only played the Crossline jumbos and curious how the TM's compare. Also, do you have pretty big hands?

Anyway, back on topic, like Cwebb mentioned above, success with split meant success with 10 finger grip for me. My fingers are all close together and not split, but the drill was a natural transition to the 10 finger for me.

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 08:09 PM

I think they're pretty standard jumbos.  I've tried the Avon jumbos and the non-tapered wraps are about the same size on the upper hand.  My hands aren't that big -- if I order gloves, I usually get a ML Cadet.  I've found over the last few years that bigger grips work better for me.


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 09:44 PM

View Postptjn1201, on 09 January 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

I've been a ten finger player for 40+ years and I may have gone to the split grip for good.  My wife has shoulder issues and has always played with a split grip, something her brother spent decades trying to get her to change, to no avail.  Her brother and I were at the range a couple of months ago and I decided to try it, more for laughs than anything else -- I was hitting the ball straight or with a slight draw pretty consistently.  So I played the last 6-7 rounds of the year like that and I was much more consistent with the long clubs and it didn't appear that I lost significant distance through the bag.  My left hand is pretty neutral with a long thumb with the right wrist just touching the tip of my left index finger -- this leaves my fingers about an inch and a half apart.  I had been using the unifified TackiMac jumbo grips (no taper), and they seem tailor made for this.

good swing for seniors?

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 01:57 PM

God bless this forum and you fine folk! There's some seriously crazy sh*t out there that people are using and sharing to get better! I love every god damn bit of it. Thank you!

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 11:44 AM

How did Hogan get the feel in the following statement, that let his right hand pass the Left to close the club face.

from article by 3 guys golf split grip drill............ that Hogan talked about feeling like he had ‘half a left arm’ once he learned to get his elbow into his chest rather than ‘chicken-winging’ it.........Also, try to keep both elbows pointed at the ground like you’re tossing a medicine ball underhanded. As you work on it, you will feel your left elbow just above your navel, and you really want to feel that right hand pass your left as your shoulders uncoil through the impact position.  If it feels weird at first, stay with it a bit.  Then, watch as you hit balls that go straight and far.

I believe it was Malaska that while using the split grip drill, talking about dramatically slowing down the left hand also, that helped the right "release" and close the club face..........

anyone have any feels or drills to get at this feeling better.

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 11:55 AM

i use this drill a lot when I practice...for me, it helps me release my right hand and right side of my body better (for me)
I synch up through the ball, and my right arm and hand release "under" the left better instead of trying to roll over the left.

I'll hit a bucket of balls with an 8 iron and then hit balls normally, occasionally going back and forth between normal and split.
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The first time you do this drill, be careful.  It can be pretty easy to stick the club in the ground and hurt yourself
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After hitting a lot of balls split handed,the first few normal grip swings are an adventure...easy to shank a few...don't worry, after four or five balls solid contact shows up!

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 12:40 PM

Have played hockey my whole life, started golf 5 years ago and play to a 7 handicap now. Feel like hockey and lacrosse have made golf relatively easy for me.

Only problem is I play hockey and lacrosse left and golf right. The split grip drill feels more comfortable left handed than right handed, but I can't swing a golf club left handed to save my life. I'm not sure visualizing a slap shot would help my swing, as I need to make sure I finish my golf swing with my hips open to the target, whereas with a hockey shot your hips don't open up on the follow through. I can see how this drill would help people, though.

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Posted 14 July 2016 - 06:55 AM

I was trying the split grip to help me not collapse (add width) and it didn't help my ball striking. But, I chipped with it and it is VERY promising. I use less gap on short chip shots and more gap on 50 yard pitches. Try it and let me know,if it works for you.

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Posted 14 July 2016 - 12:23 PM

Are you guys keeping your hands split throughout the swing?

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Posted 14 July 2016 - 04:53 PM

View Postleekgolf, on 14 July 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

Are you guys keeping your hands split throughout the swing?

I have, only when practicing. It doesn't work for me. But, it does work on short and long chips/pitches. It prevents the club from going to far back in the backswing.

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Posted 15 July 2016 - 04:19 PM

Just to repeat what another poster said, among others Mike Malaska touts a split-grip "hockey" drill. It's supposedly designed to get you to feel the hands working in and the club working out on the downswing, with a lot of wrist action, or pivot, through the ball. "Hands working in" means that the hands swing through very close to the body, if you try moving your hips out towards the ball in the downswing you're dead (you can't do the move effectively).

Malaska's entire approach (IMO) reads like a math text:  Everything fits with everything else, it makes sense, in theory it should be a powerful way to hit the ball. Whether it works for you (I'm still trying it off and on as it is intellectually appealing but not as effective as some other teachers' methods) is anyone's guess. To Mike's credit, he has an entire video on OTHER ways to swing the club and allows as to how they may work better for some people than his method.

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