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#1 Justsomeguy

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 07:57 PM

Besides driver up and away, and running chips, I like all of my irons, including wedges, forward of center.
I hit a high ball, maybe lose distance. Probably also not much delofting.
But I'm curious to know who likes one position or varied positions.
I tend to have more mishits when I vary position. Much better contact forward of center with every club.
And who varies for fairways and hybrids?

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 08:28 PM

I'd be curious to hear what a lot of the teachers here would recommend. I started out with variable, then I started to use Hogan's method after reading the theory and thinking, dang that makes sense. Lately, I have gone back to variable, testing forward press at setup type thing and it has worked, but this last weekend I used the hogan method and was striping my longer irons. I dunno...
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Posted 17 October 2018 - 11:28 AM

Play everything off the inside of your left armpit or inside left heel, depending on what you prefer, and widen stance the longer the club.

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 11:34 AM

View PostSomedayScratch, on 17 October 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

Play everything off the inside of your left armpit or inside left heel, depending on what you prefer, and widen stance the longer the club.

Been told this by a couple instructors and have seen others talk about it

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 11:54 AM

View PostSomedayScratch, on 17 October 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

Play everything off the inside of your left armpit or inside left heel, depending on what you prefer, and widen stance the longer the club.
This works for me. Went back to it and it's cured a lot of the bad contact I was having.
On good days I can hit the ball anywhere in the position and from any stance, but it's not reliable, esp on bad days.

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 11:57 AM

I was taught to address the ball with the CLUB HEAD in the center of my stance.  The ball is forward of the club head, but generally speaking the ball position remains relatively constant.

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 11:50 PM

View PostCircaflex, on 16 October 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'd be curious to hear what a lot of the teachers here would recommend. I started out with variable, then I started to use Hogan's method after reading the theory and thinking, dang that makes sense. Lately, I have gone back to variable, testing forward press at setup type thing and it has worked, but this last weekend I used the hogan method and was striping my longer irons. I dunno...
Hogan actually varied his ball position if he did do what he said he does in 5 Lessons.

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 06:06 AM

I try to keep it static but vary my stance width to determine trajectory.  For me if I widen my stance by moving my back foot further, then I hit a much higher ball.  If I narrow my stance by bringing my back foot closer I tend to hit it lower.  Actually as stock shots, they are a high draw and low fade respectfully.

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 08:13 AM

View Postdap, on 17 October 2018 - 11:50 PM, said:

View PostCircaflex, on 16 October 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'd be curious to hear what a lot of the teachers here would recommend. I started out with variable, then I started to use Hogan's method after reading the theory and thinking, dang that makes sense. Lately, I have gone back to variable, testing forward press at setup type thing and it has worked, but this last weekend I used the hogan method and was striping my longer irons. I dunno...
Hogan actually varied his ball position if he did do what he said he does in 5 Lessons.

To me this is the same ball position, but widening stance.

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 08:19 AM

View PostSomedayScratch, on 18 October 2018 - 08:13 AM, said:

View Postdap, on 17 October 2018 - 11:50 PM, said:

View PostCircaflex, on 16 October 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'd be curious to hear what a lot of the teachers here would recommend. I started out with variable, then I started to use Hogan's method after reading the theory and thinking, dang that makes sense. Lately, I have gone back to variable, testing forward press at setup type thing and it has worked, but this last weekend I used the hogan method and was striping my longer irons. I dunno...
Hogan actually varied his ball position if he did do what he said he does in 5 Lessons.

To me this is the same ball position, but widening stance.

It is widening, and closing. Saying widen stance does not really cover it. While different ball position might be vague, I think it's more accurate

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 08:36 AM

View Postextrastiff, on 18 October 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

View PostSomedayScratch, on 18 October 2018 - 08:13 AM, said:

View Postdap, on 17 October 2018 - 11:50 PM, said:

View PostCircaflex, on 16 October 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'd be curious to hear what a lot of the teachers here would recommend. I started out with variable, then I started to use Hogan's method after reading the theory and thinking, dang that makes sense. Lately, I have gone back to variable, testing forward press at setup type thing and it has worked, but this last weekend I used the hogan method and was striping my longer irons. I dunno...
Hogan actually varied his ball position if he did do what he said he does in 5 Lessons.

To me this is the same ball position, but widening stance.
It is widening, and closing. Saying widen stance does not really cover it. While different ball position might be vague, I think it's more accurate

Yes........ closing as well. And if we are being picky, technically opening too for wedges and short irons.

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 10:41 AM

View PostSomedayScratch, on 18 October 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

View Postextrastiff, on 18 October 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

View PostSomedayScratch, on 18 October 2018 - 08:13 AM, said:

View Postdap, on 17 October 2018 - 11:50 PM, said:

View PostCircaflex, on 16 October 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'd be curious to hear what a lot of the teachers here would recommend. I started out with variable, then I started to use Hogan's method after reading the theory and thinking, dang that makes sense. Lately, I have gone back to variable, testing forward press at setup type thing and it has worked, but this last weekend I used the hogan method and was striping my longer irons. I dunno...
Hogan actually varied his ball position if he did do what he said he does in 5 Lessons.

To me this is the same ball position, but widening stance.
It is widening, and closing. Saying widen stance does not really cover it. While different ball position might be vague, I think it's more accurate

Yes........ closing as well. And if we are being picky, technically opening too for wedges and short irons.

That graphic has a ton of variety. Interesting. I would think most golfers generally play everything from open or everything from closed with the variability being more or less.
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Posted 18 October 2018 - 11:13 AM

I need lessons if this is accurate. Anything other than driver i have mid stance or back a touch or its 1 groove thin city.
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Posted 18 October 2018 - 07:04 PM

View Postjuststeve, on 17 October 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

I was taught to address the ball with the CLUB HEAD in the center of my stance.  The ball is forward of the club head, but generally speaking the ball position remains relatively constant.

Steve

With a driver as well? And how ?
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Posted 18 October 2018 - 07:46 PM

View PostSomedayScratch, on 18 October 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

View Postextrastiff, on 18 October 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

View PostSomedayScratch, on 18 October 2018 - 08:13 AM, said:

View Postdap, on 17 October 2018 - 11:50 PM, said:

View PostCircaflex, on 16 October 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'd be curious to hear what a lot of the teachers here would recommend. I started out with variable, then I started to use Hogan's method after reading the theory and thinking, dang that makes sense. Lately, I have gone back to variable, testing forward press at setup type thing and it has worked, but this last weekend I used the hogan method and was striping my longer irons. I dunno...
Hogan actually varied his ball position if he did do what he said he does in 5 Lessons.

To me this is the same ball position, but widening stance.
It is widening, and closing. Saying widen stance does not really cover it. While different ball position might be vague, I think it's more accurate

Yes........ closing as well. And if we are being picky, technically opening too for wedges and short irons.
Not trying to be picky!
I thought his wedge stance was a standard/square alignment, not open.

Maybe my mistake. I never really open my stance unless going  for a cut I'll never pull off. I go square for wedges and wider/more closed(trail foot going wide and back)as I club up

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 08:21 PM

View PostBaitkiller, on 18 October 2018 - 11:13 AM, said:

I need lessons if this is accurate. Anything other than driver i have mid stance or back a touch or its 1 groove thin city.

Maybe.. I used to go center/behind just cause it felt right, and a pga guy finally fixed it for the better. Maybe weight is a little back or something. Once I started getting my weight forward before my hands, ball forward became way more useful for eliminating a fade I was not going for.


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 09:23 PM

for me it completely depends of the situation I am in and the shot I am trying to execute. With wedges I have a few different ball placements depending on what shot im trying to hit. With irons its usually dead center or back of the stance depending on the shot height. Driver is almost always front left toe unless it calls for some crazy bending shot shape in which I will move it both forward and back. It really depends on the individual's swing and what they can pull off with what skill level they are at.

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 09:27 PM

The worse the lie the farther back I play it. If a perfect lie any ball position will work to play the shot you want.

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Posted 19 October 2018 - 07:02 AM

View PostNoTalentLefty, on 18 October 2018 - 07:04 PM, said:

View Postjuststeve, on 17 October 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

I was taught to address the ball with the CLUB HEAD in the center of my stance.  The ball is forward of the club head, but generally speaking the ball position remains relatively constant.

Steve

With a driver as well? And how ?

Yes even with the driver.

This is perhaps the most controversial thing Manny taught but I have concluded for me at least he was right.  Now understand that with the club head in the center of my stance and the ball forward of the club head the ball is forward in my stance, just not a lot.  Under Manny's supervision I experimented with a forward ball position with the driver and the result was noticeably more distance and noticeably less accuracy.  After working on that for a year or two I found the trade-off  unsatisfactory and went back to club head center of stance.

Manny's thinking in this area is worth considering.  He believed that what made golfers progressively better was becoming more consistent.  Therefore he taught a swing that was meant to make consistency easier to attain, even if it costs a few yards  Probable not something the distance obsessed would agree with but is works on the golf course.  .

Steve

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