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#1 wmblake2000

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 01:50 PM

I love to play blades. Part of me has the attitude that I want to shoot the lowest score I can, but using irons I love to play. I have three incredible sets - Callaway mb pro raw, a little know jdm brand RomaRo pro and Macgregor 1025m. Love them all.

But I also believe that while I can score with these when I am on, there are swings in every round where more forgiving clubs would get me closer to the hole. And clubs that are hotter and provide more distance which at 66 I could use.

So now I am thinking I want an equally fine set whose only purpose is to support better scores. More consistent good impact, a little help on fat shots, and a little stronger loft (but not longer shafts).

I even wonder about putting in a bunch of hybrids, if I could get a set with std iron length shafts.

What do you think? Especially if you’re a low/mid single index, if you throw out look and feel and just want to get the ball in the hole, what is that set of irons?

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 01:52 PM

See my Signature, irons been working for past 4 years.  I too enjoy playing blades, but have to give it to modern tech as far as forgiveness.

Hybrids are so much easier to hit than a 2 or 3 iron, and if adjustable as mine are, you can dial in trajectory to your liking.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:01 PM

View Postwmblake2000, on 11 October 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

So now I am thinking I want an equally fine set whose only purpose is to support better scores. More consistent good impact, a little help on fat shots, and a little stronger loft (but not longer shafts).

What do you think?

Since you asked...

I think you should stay with the blades.  As I recall a few months back you had an itch for something more forgiving but they didn't last in your bag.  And a few months prior to that the same business...  Seems to me your experiments wind up in the same place so I say spend the money on something more useful.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:08 PM

Mr Blake. I get you 1000 -%.

Thereís also some of the idea that ď everyone else is getting help and Iím not ď and the thought that itís costing you. I do not know if that thought can actually be quantified though. Iíve tried and cannot do it.

Thereís also style of play.  I get in 2 minds sometimes as well. Thereís the pin hunting , see curves really connected swing that is much harder to keep up and have every round. Then thereís the fairways and greens just keep it on plane swing and hope we drop a putt swing or mind.   Iím fairly new to the game (4 years) so Iím still sorting out some mental aspects. I can hit anything.  Not meant as a brag. Just that I donít feel limited when Iím choosing clubs.  It that doesnít mean that I donít enjoy a 6 iron that feels  as easy to hit as a Pw.  Especially if I see scores improve. Itís amazing how we evolve in this game.  

Kind of the same tangent you are currently. And the iron that has my eye is the i500. Scored a new set on the cheap.  Long story that doesnít matter.    The low offset suits the eye of a guy coming from Miura etc.  and although feel is different. Performance makes you forget that.  Iím not 1000 % yet.  But eAch practice / tuning session Iíve left with another smile.  Iíll say this. You should test them.  But being a length of lead tape with you.  Coming from any mb they will feel light.  Any fitter who isnít an a** wonít mind you slapping some tape on to have a good feel.  It took quite a bit to get mine to feel head heavy.  But made all the difference in strike.


I donít know if any of that helps. But at least you know you arenít alone.

I also have fits of ď F-it ď  and  Iíll say what am I doing ? And have the urge to ditch everything in my bag and go back.   But so far hitting a few more balls with the ping irons has snapped me to my senses.  Itís a conundrum for us who donít fear the small irons.  You feel like your giving something up playing a small iron.  But Iím not certain it is a measurable thing either way to a decent player.  Howís that for a stream of consience thatís spinning off into never never land ?!  Lol.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:09 PM

I see from your sig you already have a 2h and a 4h. How about adding one more to replace your current longest iron (or two)? If you're like most, you don't need much more "forgiveness" in the shorter irons, so go with something that maximizes the forgiveness in the categories you mention at the end where it'll have the most impact - which is usually a the longer end.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:20 PM

When its not blades, its my RC BBD V7's. When you get back you should take them out for a round. That way, you'll just know whether or not to move forward :).
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:39 PM

There are definitely some smaller sized players CB's out there.  I played Z965's this past season.  After switching out to 2016 Apex Pro's I realized that the Z965's blade length is actually longer than the Apex Pro's.  Plus, they are just flat out easier to hit.  Get a little on the toe side and I still get almost the same distance as a flushed shot.  I hit them a little further than the Srixons, but they are pretty darn consistent.  I am so confident in them, that I just sold the Srixons and plan on sticking with these for the foreseeable future.  From the top, they look just as demanding as my MB's.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:41 PM

View PostNessism, on 11 October 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

View Postwmblake2000, on 11 October 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

So now I am thinking I want an equally fine set whose only purpose is to support better scores. More consistent good impact, a little help on fat shots, and a little stronger loft (but not longer shafts).

What do you think?

Since you asked...

I think you should stay with the blades.  As I recall a few months back you had an itch for something more forgiving but they didn't last in your bag.  And a few months prior to that the same business...  Seems to me your experiments wind up in the same place so I say spend the money on something more useful.

Haha! This unsolved conflict has raged for years, not months!
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:47 PM

View Postnemoblack, on 11 October 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

I see from your sig you already have a 2h and a 4h. How about adding one more to replace your current longest iron (or two)? If you're like most, you don't need much more "forgiveness" in the shorter irons, so go with something that maximizes the forgiveness in the categories you mention at the end where it'll have the most impact - which is usually a the longer end.

This is the option I have thought about the most - throwing hybrids in thru maybe 7 iron. But most hybrids have pretty long shafts and feel like they are designed for distance and not accuracy. That could just be my bias speaking.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:49 PM

View PostKingcat990, on 11 October 2018 - 02:20 PM, said:

When its not blades, its my RC BBD V7's. When you get back you should take them out for a round. That way, you'll just know whether or not to move forward :).

Thx! Sitting in Dubai airport, just looked them up to see a pic. I’ll take them out especially if you can squeeze a round in.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 03:06 PM

Maybe if their were some sort of GI safe space like the blade lovers thread you could get the support to see this through ;-)

I hear what you are saying -  Iím always having the doubts that you expressed.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 03:06 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 11 October 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

How’s that for a stream of consience that’s spinning off into never never land ?!  Lol.

After 24 hrs of travel and still counting, spinning into never never land just fits perfectly.

The thing about this is I really do have 2 different mind sets. I’m keeping all 3 blades. They are each just magnificent. (I actually got the Macs from Nessism years ago! And the RomaRos from Kingcat. Both live in so cal and are total golf nerds of the highest order!)

But I’d like to find a set that is just as deeply a keeper that’s ... better? I just don’t know how to define this set. The 3 blade sets are all the result of a lot of trial and error. I doubt I buy another.

The most practical answer is to mesh some Mac 1025 cb with the mb. I have 3,4 cb. Add the 5,6 cb and play a fully blended set. Hmmm. I might do that.

PS: taking golf clubs in the dead of night in an airport half a world away is total fun.




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Posted 11 October 2018 - 03:08 PM

View Postgbartko, on 11 October 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

Maybe if their were some sort of GI safe space like the blade lovers thread you could get the support to see this through ;-)

I hear what you are saying -  I’m always having the doubts that you expressed.

Nah. That thread is sacrosanct. It’s the least contentious place in all of wrx and I would not want to risk it!!
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 03:11 PM

View Postradiman, on 11 October 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

There are definitely some smaller sized players CB's out there.  I played Z965's this past season.  After switching out to 2016 Apex Pro's I realized that the Z965's blade length is actually longer than the Apex Pro's.  Plus, they are just flat out easier to hit.  Get a little on the toe side and I still get almost the same distance as a flushed shot.  I hit them a little further than the Srixons, but they are pretty darn consistent.  I am so confident in them, that I just sold the Srixons and plan on sticking with these for the foreseeable future.  From the top, they look just as demanding as my MB's.

This new generation of players distance irons (p790, rogue pro, etc) are interesting. I also hit some xforged from maybe 2013 that were nice.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 03:25 PM

View PostGSDriver, on 11 October 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

See my Signature, irons been working for past 4 years.  I too enjoy playing blades, but have to give it to modern tech as far as forgiveness.

Hybrids are so much easier to hit than a 2 or 3 iron, and if adjustable as mine are, you can dial in trajectory to your liking.

I can’t see your signature on my phone/app. What are you playing?

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:50 PM

View Postgbartko, on 11 October 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

Maybe if their were some sort of GI safe space like the blade lovers thread you could get the support to see this through ;-)

I hear what you are saying -  Iím always having the doubts that you expressed.

Donít make me pull your Ric Flair avatar.  You know Ric is swinging a blade !!

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:04 PM

Short answer:  AP2 - ridiculous GI like help on off-center strikes in a small-mid package that doesn't launch the ball to the moon.

Longer answer:  Do you really want to go there..?  Ask yourself whether your "off days" really matter.  As you know, a great many people choose clubs that will "help them on their off days."  Sound plan - especially if it gives them confidence to play well.  I have recently come to the realization that, for me, I will choose the exact opposite approach.  To wit, ...

Consider it is most likely over 50 rounds the variability of individual ball striking would plot according to natural distribution - or a bell curve.  Can't speak for anyone else, but I suspect my particular plot would have "pretty solid - or, at least good enough" about 70% of the time, "above my paygrade" about 15% of the time, and "you suck, switch to tennis" about 15% of the time.  Moreover, when I'm in the unfortunate 15% range, there is no club design on earth that could help much.  Therefore, why would I want to base my club choice on 15% of my rounds - especially when during that 15%, it wouldn't matter much anyway.

As such, I recommend you play the clubs that bring you the most enjoyment over the vast majority of your rounds and on the days it feels like you're wearing boxing gloves or you're otherwise struggling, embrace the suck and work on your scrambling.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:34 PM

View PostAviador Naval, on 11 October 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

Short answer:  AP2 - ridiculous GI like help on off-center strikes in a small-mid package that doesn't launch the ball to the moon.

Longer answer:  Do you really want to go there..?  Ask yourself whether your "off days" really matter.  As you know, a great many people choose clubs that will "help them on their off days."  Sound plan - especially if it gives them confidence to play well.  I have recently come to the realization that, for me, I will choose the exact opposite approach.  To wit, ...

If one considers it is most likely over 50 rounds the variability of individual ball striking would plot according to natural distribution - or a bell curve.  Can't speak for anyone else, but I suspect my particular plot would have "pretty solid - or, at least good enough" about 70% of the time, "above my paygrade" about 15% of the time, and "you suck, switch to tennis" about 15% of the time.  Moreover, when I'm in the unfortunate 15% range, there is no club design on earth that could help much.  Therefore, why would I want to base my club choice on 15% of my rounds - especially when during that 15%, it wouldn't matter much anyway.

As such, I recommend you play the clubs that bring you the most enjoyment over the vast majority of your rounds and on the days it feels like you're wearing boxing gloves or you're otherwise struggling, embrace the suck and work on your scrambling.

There’s some wisdom in your point. I tend to get on runs - good and bad. Sometimes I want a club that helps me re-find confidence.

I’m actually thinking the answer is just add 5,6 cb from the Mac 1025. These are super easy to hit blades and cb. They aren’t real long (weakish lifts compared to modern clubs) but easy to play.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:45 PM

Been there done that.

A bad swing is what it is at face value.

I can shoot the same score with any irons but my MP18s blades give me the most enjoyment due utmost feel and precision.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:50 PM

Depends on the way in which you want to improve score. If you want to hit more greens, find some giant-a** iron design and fire away. If you want an iron to fire at pins with, blades are the way. I don't hit them farther, but I hit them closer.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:30 PM

View PostAviador Naval, on 11 October 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

Short answer:  AP2 - ridiculous GI like help on off-center strikes in a small-mid package that doesn't launch the ball to the moon.

Longer answer:  Do you really want to go there..?  Ask yourself whether your "off days" really matter.  As you know, a great many people choose clubs that will "help them on their off days."  Sound plan - especially if it gives them confidence to play well.  I have recently come to the realization that, for me, I will choose the exact opposite approach.  To wit, ...

If one considers it is most likely over 50 rounds the variability of individual ball striking would plot according to natural distribution - or a bell curve.  Can't speak for anyone else, but I suspect my particular plot would have "pretty solid - or, at least good enough" about 70% of the time, "above my paygrade" about 15% of the time, and "you suck, switch to tennis" about 15% of the time.  Moreover, when I'm in the unfortunate 15% range, there is no club design on earth that could help much.  Therefore, why would I want to base my club choice on 15% of my rounds - especially when during that 15%, it wouldn't matter much anyway.

As such, I recommend you play the clubs that bring you the most enjoyment over the vast majority of your rounds and on the days it feels like you're wearing boxing gloves or you're otherwise struggling, embrace the suck and work on your scrambling.

You forgot to add how you have know idea when it will be a 15% great day, 70% normal day, 15% suck day when you tee it up!!!

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:17 AM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 October 2018 - 08:50 PM, said:

Depends on the way in which you want to improve score. If you want to hit more greens, find some giant-a** iron design and fire away. If you want an iron to fire at pins with, blades are the way. I don't hit them farther, but I hit them closer.

I was thinking that I have a better sense of distance control with a blade and agree that I hit it closer with blades.

I hit some Callaway Rogue Pros - man, they are long. But I was wondering if I’d hit them close. It’s more about the mindset I imagine I’d have and not so much about the club itself, where I’d think more about hitting that club hard vs close. With blades I often hit a lot of club but end up in great shape. That sort of seems stupid to believe (that I’d lose sight of the goal of getting it close with, say, Rogue pro), but, hey, I’ve been called worse.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:40 AM

View Postwmblake2000, on 12 October 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 October 2018 - 08:50 PM, said:

Depends on the way in which you want to improve score. If you want to hit more greens, find some giant-a** iron design and fire away. If you want an iron to fire at pins with, blades are the way. I don't hit them farther, but I hit them closer.

I was thinking that I have a better sense of distance control with a blade and agree that I hit it closer with blades.

I hit some Callaway Rogue Pros - man, they are long. But I was wondering if Iíd hit them close. Itís more about the mindset I imagine Iíd have and not so much about the club itself, where Iíd think more about hitting that club hard vs close. With blades I often hit a lot of club but end up in great shape. That sort of seems stupid to believe (that Iíd lose sight of the goal of getting it close with, say, Rogue pro), but, hey, Iíve been called worse.

Again. Exactly what Iíve found.  For whatever reason I wat to hit a gi club hard.  With an mb Iíll take 1-2 clubs more plenty of times and swoop something in close.  It has to do with the sole and the closing of the toe a mb offers. A gi club is harder to hit the sawed off shot sometimes.  If itís soft out not as hard. But if itís firm you need to be able to get under the ball to turn it over.  You can hit the hold off punch fade. But thatís pretty 1D in my book.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:04 AM

I think it's a relatively simple formula. The object of the game is to get the ball into the hole. Play what gets you the distances you desire and affords you the goal of getting to the greens with the best averages. A few years ago, I happened to play with an older gentleman who did not have a matching club in his bag. I had to ask why and he said that through the years, he had found specific clubs which not only fit his eye, but worked for his swing. In this particular case, it was not only the Indian, but also the arrows.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:56 PM

A good friend of mine said always use the tool that helps you do the best job possible. If if the change helps lower your scores then go for it. At 66 you’ve held out longer than most.

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