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#1 blehnhard

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:38 AM

I have a SS Radar that I use occassionaly.  I realize that it is not an overly accurate device, but it can show whether one's swing speed pattern is speeding up or slowing down.

When I make swings with no ball and try to make the clubhead move as fast as I can, I can get it to read in mid to upper 80's.  This is indoors.  When out on the range, hitting balls, I can get consistent mid 90's and the occassional upper 90's to 100.  Realize it tends to read fast compared to TM.  My TM driver swings back in mid May were low 90's with best of 97.

One would think that without ball, one would be able to generate equal to if not higher #s than with ball.

Any insight into this?  Anyone else with same experience?

Thanks, Bruce


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:47 AM

View Postblehnhard, on 11 October 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

I have a SS Radar that I use occassionaly.  I realize that it is not an overly accurate device, but it can show whether one's swing speed pattern is speeding up or slowing down.

When I make swings with no ball and try to make the clubhead move as fast as I can, I can get it to read in mid to upper 80's.  This is indoors.  When out on the range, hitting balls, I can get consistent mid 90's and the occassional upper 90's to 100.  Realize it tends to read fast compared to TM.  My TM driver swings back in mid May were low 90's with best of 97.

One would think that without ball, one would be able to generate equal to if not higher #s than with ball.

Any insight into this?  Anyone else with same experience?

Thanks, Bruce

I have one of these.   It always registers higher speeds at the range versus indoor w/o ball.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:36 AM

View Postblehnhard, on 11 October 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

I have a SS Radar that I use occassionaly.  I realize that it is not an overly accurate device, but it can show whether one's swing speed pattern is speeding up or slowing down.

When I make swings with no ball and try to make the clubhead move as fast as I can, I can get it to read in mid to upper 80's.  This is indoors.  When out on the range, hitting balls, I can get consistent mid 90's and the occassional upper 90's to 100.  Realize it tends to read fast compared to TM.  My TM driver swings back in mid May were low 90's with best of 97.

One would think that without ball, one would be able to generate equal to if not higher #s than with ball.

Any insight into this?  Anyone else with same experience?

Thanks, Bruce

I sent my  4th one to the grave on Tuesday and my 5th one just arrived.  This is specifically mentioned on the latest packaging:

'SWINGING IN THE AIR - The Radar is designed to measure clubhead speed as the clubface is striking the ball.  Without a ball, the golfer will usually release the clubhead after passing where the ball would have been... It is not unusual for swings in the air to be 5 to 30 mph slower than normal due to the late release... Swing at a ball or ball replica such as a... Birdie Ball... which will provide the release speed in the proper location.'

FYI, it also advises against using the metal stand opened all the way back to the bump stops, as this cases the radar to be looking to 'upwards'.

Hope this helps.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:35 AM

Not to be contradictory to anyone...  But I use mine indoors in my garage with no golf ball and get readings that seem accurate enough.  IE my 30* 7i is in the low to mid 80s and I can carry that same club on the course 170yds.  And on my driver I am pretty sure it reads high, as I can swing my driver and gets speeds around 105, but I can't carry it anymore than 230yds.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:54 AM

So you mean you get the same reading for 7iron with or w/o ball?

I am surprised by that.  Not in my experience.  I always get higher speed with ball.

Also, are you making sure the device is set about 45 deg angle? (Not facing ball, but facing backwards)


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 12:40 PM

I certainly don't get the same reading with my driver on no-ball swings.  Without a ball it's about 5 mph down, even though I don't feel like I'm swinging slower.  As soon as I swing at a ball it goes straight back up.  Now I actually understand why...

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:38 PM

Everybody is different.  Guess you just need to keep two sets of speeds.  Or change the release you do without the ball.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:59 PM

It measures the speed of the toe.  

Itís likely youíre wide open on the practice swing (very common) and flipping toe over at impact when youíre hitting the ball.  

In practice swings, toe is moving very slowly.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 06:39 AM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 11 October 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:

It measures the speed of the toe.  

It’s likely you’re wide open on the practice swing (very common) and flipping toe over at impact when you’re hitting the ball.  

In practice swings, toe is moving very slowly.

Monte, could this in any way explain why my SSR swing speeds have gone up since I switched to an X stiff shaft yesterday?  Would torque / toe closure rate play any part?  That, or just feeling like I can swing harder due to the extra control?

I haven’t measured ball speed yet, but I hit some (for me) long balls on the range, and my swing speed is up from a previously highest-measured 103mph to 105-108mph on the SSR, with nothing other than a shaft flex change.

Regardless, I don’t seem to be able to leak it right, so I’m not complaining...

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:22 AM

Thanks for the input.

Will be getting a new driver (Srixon Z785) with HZRDUS Red (65g) Stiff to maybe replace my current 917 D2 with Diamana Red (50g) Stiff. Hope to get on Trackman with both and compare ball speeds, spin and launch angle as these are the most important numbers. My son says he has picked up 15 to 20 yards with the new Z785 over his 915 D3.  I will settle for half of that.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:29 AM

View Postblehnhard, on 11 October 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

I have a SS Radar that I use occassionaly.  I realize that it is not an overly accurate device, but it can show whether one's swing speed pattern is speeding up or slowing down.

When I make swings with no ball and try to make the clubhead move as fast as I can, I can get it to read in mid to upper 80's.  This is indoors.  When out on the range, hitting balls, I can get consistent mid 90's and the occassional upper 90's to 100.  Realize it tends to read fast compared to TM.  My TM driver swings back in mid May were low 90's with best of 97.

One would think that without ball, one would be able to generate equal to if not higher #s than with ball.

Any insight into this?  Anyone else with same experience?

Thanks, Bruce

I have one too. It doesn't read correctly without a ball.

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 01:27 PM

View Posttrilerian, on 11 October 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

Not to be contradictory to anyone...  But I use mine indoors in my garage with no golf ball and get readings that seem accurate enough.  IE my 30* 7i is in the low to mid 80s and I can carry that same club on the course 170yds.  And on my driver I am pretty sure it reads high, as I can swing my driver and gets speeds around 105, but I can't carry it anymore than 230yds.

I realize this thread is about the SS Radar but... I just have to reply to this comment.

You carry a 7 iron 170 yards but can't carry your driver more than 230 yards??  Something doesn't add up.  Your either not carrying a 7 iron 170.... or perhaps your driver is completely ill fitted for your swing.  I would think a player who carries a 7 iron 170 should at the minimum... carry driver 250.
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 01:35 PM

View PostIMAway, on 13 October 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

View Posttrilerian, on 11 October 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

Not to be contradictory to anyone...  But I use mine indoors in my garage with no golf ball and get readings that seem accurate enough.  IE my 30* 7i is in the low to mid 80s and I can carry that same club on the course 170yds.  And on my driver I am pretty sure it reads high, as I can swing my driver and gets speeds around 105, but I can't carry it anymore than 230yds.

I realize this thread is about the SS Radar but... I just have to reply to this comment.

You carry a 7 iron 170 yards but can't carry your driver more than 230 yards??  Something doesn't add up.  Your either not carrying a 7 iron 170.... or perhaps your driver is completely ill fitted for your swing.  I would think a player who carries a 7 iron 170 should at the minimum... carry driver 250.
This is spot on. With a driver SS of 105 carrying a 7 iron 170 isnt out of the question and might be what he actually does. But you are right there is something really off with his driver combo or swing to only carry 230.

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 01:54 PM

View PostPopeye64, on 13 October 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

View PostIMAway, on 13 October 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

View Posttrilerian, on 11 October 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

Not to be contradictory to anyone...  But I use mine indoors in my garage with no golf ball and get readings that seem accurate enough.  IE my 30* 7i is in the low to mid 80s and I can carry that same club on the course 170yds.  And on my driver I am pretty sure it reads high, as I can swing my driver and gets speeds around 105, but I can't carry it anymore than 230yds.

I realize this thread is about the SS Radar but... I just have to reply to this comment.

You carry a 7 iron 170 yards but can't carry your driver more than 230 yards??  Something doesn't add up.  Your either not carrying a 7 iron 170.... or perhaps your driver is completely ill fitted for your swing.  I would think a player who carries a 7 iron 170 should at the minimum... carry driver 250.
This is spot on. With a driver SS of 105 carrying a 7 iron 170 isnt out of the question and might be what he actually does. But you are right there is something really off with his driver combo or swing to only carry 230.
Could be swinging like an iron. Until recently I was in the same boat. Driver speed of 100mph but could only hit drives 230-235, sometimes only 210. Then started swinging like a driver and average 240 with occasional 260-265.

As far as swing speed, I have a voice caddie which I think is very accurate. I know voice caddie measures the ball and not club head speed, but just food for thought.

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 03:17 PM

Ok, so let’s suppose his Driver is ill fitted. But what about me? I have measured up to 110 mph on the range with my driver. ~240 carry with range balls. Had a 105mph swing with my 4W from the deck today. My SS with a 7I is roughly 77mph and I hit it 150yds. What‘s wrong with me?

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 03:36 PM

255 max carry driver
7 iron ap3 carry 155
And I can eat 4 bananas is 56 seconds

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 05:47 PM

View PostGeorge1174, on 13 October 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

Ok, so let’s suppose his Driver is ill fitted. But what about me? I have measured up to 110 mph on the range with my driver. ~240 carry with range balls. Had a 105mph swing with my 4W from the deck today. My SS with a 7I is roughly 77mph and I hit it 150yds. What‘s wrong with me?
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 09:05 PM

View PostPopeye64, on 13 October 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

View PostIMAway, on 13 October 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

View Posttrilerian, on 11 October 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

Not to be contradictory to anyone...  But I use mine indoors in my garage with no golf ball and get readings that seem accurate enough.  IE my 30* 7i is in the low to mid 80s and I can carry that same club on the course 170yds.  And on my driver I am pretty sure it reads high, as I can swing my driver and gets speeds around 105, but I can't carry it anymore than 230yds.

I realize this thread is about the SS Radar but... I just have to reply to this comment.

You carry a 7 iron 170 yards but can't carry your driver more than 230 yards??  Something doesn't add up.  Your either not carrying a 7 iron 170.... or perhaps your driver is completely ill fitted for your swing.  I would think a player who carries a 7 iron 170 should at the minimum... carry driver 250.
This is spot on. With a driver SS of 105 carrying a 7 iron 170 isnt out of the question and might be what he actually does. But you are right there is something really off with his driver combo or swing to only carry 230.

I just can't hit a driver. Doesn't matter which one, or how long it plays. I get around 100mph with a 5w on my radar, and I hit that 210-230 depending on the strike. One of the guys I play with only drives it 200-210. On a short par 4 today I layed up off the tee with a 5i and was even with him. So yes, I hit my irons really well, and my driver like dog poo. You have no idea the heckling I get from people because they think I should be hitting my driver instead of my 3 or 5w.

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 09:14 PM

Sounds like you deloft everything too much. Works great till you try and hit something without much loft 👎

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