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Help! I'm OTT and don't know root cause.

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#1 dadewitt3

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 11:26 AM

Please help me understand why I go over the top. It's my takeaway too shallow? No matter how hard I try to keep arms loose, start with lower body, drop hands, ect, just can't seem to get it on plane.


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 11:37 AM

https://www.youtube....h?v=ChEh50gK94Q
https://www.youtube....h?v=Vc1wwvK87Fg
https://www.youtube....h?v=dOKay9QGsvQ

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 11:40 AM

The blurry video is the one where I was REALLY trying. My swing thoughts were start with knees and drop hands. I was trying so not  let the shoulders get too active to quick and let the arms trail. Still OTT. the shots in all the videos are good shots, by the way.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 12:26 PM

Too flat and inside on takeaway.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 12:38 PM

View Postshortstop20, on 10 October 2018 - 12:26 PM, said:

Too flat and inside on takeaway.

Thanks. do you see anything else?


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 12:49 PM

I'm not an instructor but here is a snap during your backswing vs a PGA player.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 12:59 PM

View Postrcb1586, on 10 October 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

I'm not an instructor but here is a snap during your backswing vs a PGA player.

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wow, way different!

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 01:01 PM

So now, I need a drill, because I have been working on the takeaway but it is clearly not working!

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 01:07 PM

rcb makes an excellent point. If your backswing is not on plane which, as you can see by the pic, it's not, you have to re-route the club on the forward part of the swing. That requires a LOT of hand-eye coordination and excess(?) motion/movements.

See the position of the lefty pro ? We don't really know if he's going back or going forward but if you draw a straight line from the head of the club through the shaft TO the ball it is almost a straight line.

Going back AND going forward these are pretty good positions to be in.

For a temporary(?) fix, try bringing it back with that pro's position. Coming TO the ball try to get to (roughly) the same position. Maybe thinking of tucking in the left elbow a bit while thinking "Hit the ball at 5 o'clock (12 being your target line at 6 being behind you)".

The experts should be around soon.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 06:12 PM

Anyone else? I need a drill to work on this.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:14 AM

So, I am triying to get into that position above, but no matter how hard I try I cant seem to get there. Please, anyone got some tips or feelings to look for?

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 10:04 PM

Mate, I'm not a golf pro, or coaching expert, but have worked hard to fix my OTT swing. From my experience, process, knowledge I see in your swing a similar move ...

Start of downswing, in the transition, you roll your trail shoulder which moves the club out and over.

This is not the issue or cause, IMO.

The cause is from three things:

- incorrect grip
- incorrect wrist hinge
- incorrect start of transition.

Let me explain.

With current grip, wrist motion is wrong and 'if' you started with more hips forward and turn (think belt buckle to front knee and keep turning) your shots will be horrid pulls and miss hits.

Have to fix all three. Well, I did.

Grip ... Look at mike malaska video about finding your 'natural grip'

Wrists ... Look at malaska video "L to L" and buy a swingyde training aide to train your wrists to move the correct way in both the backswing and forward through swing into finish.

Hips first move to start transition, downswing... Try starting with belt buckle going toward target, so turn over front knee and keep turning. Watch not to just turn hips but must also start with a slight move forward. Watch slow motion video of Adam Scott to see how far open his hips are at impact compared to you.

Also... Maybe try the drills etc here:

http://www.mytpi.com...over-the-top_v2

And

http://www.mytpi.com...tics/casting_v2

PS: I think you have a bit of casting too, and as you'll see, the drills etc for both OTT and casting are for improving hip movement and weight transfer. Both issues which cause the shoulders to start first, early, and thus create the OTT swing.

And, seriously think about getting a lesson with a golf professional!

Edited by hack2489, 14 October 2018 - 10:10 PM.


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Posted 14 October 2018 - 10:30 PM

Try keeping the clubhead outside your hands during the start of your backswing.
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Posted 14 October 2018 - 10:34 PM

Compare Rickie to you

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 08:24 AM

Hack2489, thanks. Good stuff. I have been getting lessons. He never even noticed. Maybe need a new coach...


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Posted 15 October 2018 - 01:44 PM

View Postdadewitt3, on 15 October 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

Hack2489, thanks. Good stuff. I have been getting lessons. He never even noticed. Maybe need a new coach...

He may have been working on other swing issues first.. but, having said that, I changed coach for a different perspective and it's proven very positive.



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Posted 15 October 2018 - 07:29 PM

look at that original comparison pic, and measure the angle created by your thighs and your abdomen.  your angle is much more obtuse than the pros.

get your spine down. keep it there, rotate(including your hips) keeping that angle. couple that with less "toe" takaway, aka feel like you taking the heel of the club back first

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Posted Today, 08:18 AM

Caveat I AM NOT A PRO but here's what I have learned fighting the exact same problem.

For a totally different view and feel / approach that might be instructive, see this video - a lot of over the top is because people move their shoulders first. It's a hard instinct to fight.

https://www.youtube....LGWpJoX4&t=686s

One drill / trick you can try is to stand a water bottle just outside the ball and see what your body does to avoid it. What George Gankas calls "avoidance drills" I find for me are alot more effective than just trying to hit a position. It engages your instinct in a different way.

Also remember that a lot of things work in opposites - so if you go back shallow, you will come in steep, if you take back inside, you will downswing outside.

Last trick - hit ~1/2 shots with a 7-8 iron (literally try to hit them 50-80 yards) and practice shaping the shots - fade, straight, draw. If you can hit 6 in a row calling each shot then add 20 yards. Repeat until you are up to full swing.
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