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BST ISSUE: A Funny Thing Happened To Me Today...

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#1 drive4dough_putt4dough

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:07 PM

Enjoy guys.



Before I take you on this epic journey full of thrills, chills, and wonderment, let's get one thing straight and out of the way:

I'm a newb.  That's right.  I have zero posts (this will be my first!) and I have 2 feedbacks (both positive, woohoo!).  Very outstanding numbers, indeed.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
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I had been chatting with a fine gentleman named:
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Clearly an upstanding member of this community.  447 Active Posts, a part of the Advanced Members group, 9 handicap (not bad, mine is lower).
A member since 09/29/2016 - certainly not fresh fish like me - but not a seasoned pro either.
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So he and I have been chatting on and off for about 2 weeks now, nothing too serious - initially I was interested in a Tensei Pro White 60TX with Ping G400 loft sleeve that he had listed. In excellent shape. 43” from butt to tip:
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Unfortunately by the time I reached out, he had already sold it.  No biggie.  Life goes on.  So I continued my hunt for another White.  

A few days pass and what do you know, Mr. C sends me a PM letting me know that his Pro Blue is actually Pro White Proto.  Cool! says I.
Oh, but wait, it's for a 3w.  I think.  Ya, gotta be if 42" butt to tip.  That's OK, maybe if I invest in a 3w I can make it work.
Oh, but wait, it's an 80TX.  Hmmm, I've never hit anything that hefty or stiff in my 3w before.  But maybe I can make it work.  I mean, I'm a pretty good striker of the ball-
how bad could it be?


So I ask Mr. C for a couple of days to mull it over.  Make sure I'm not making an impulse purchase like I usually do.  No problem, he says.  Cool! says I.
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So two days pass and Mr. C reaches out to me again.  I sense that he really wants to make a sale.  Eager beaver.
But wait, I notice something new about his listing:  PRICE DROP. End of season clearance sale! High end gear!
He's also advertised: "BIG discount for buying multiple items" (he's since amended it to "PM with questions and to agree discounts for purchasing multiple items," but whatevs).
Cool! says I.  I think I'll get two shafts for a great price!
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So after a little negotiating, we agree on the sweet, SWEET price of $325 a Pro White Proto 80TX and a Pro Orange 80TX.  "The deal of the year" as he so aptly put it.
Yes indeed .  I am very thankful to say the least :)
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Now, for a little due diligence.  Got to make sure I have all the measurements correct bc, you know, I don't want to ASSUME anything.
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AND here's where things start to get interesting.

Mr. C has given me his PP info so I can send him the money when I'm ready.  OK, no problem there.  Check.
He's emailed me about 6 hours after my last response to confirm that I want the shafts.  Understandable.  He probably wants to get paid.  Eager Beaver.
But I gotta respect that.   I respect a man (or woman) who HUSTLES.

Problem is, by this time I've been spending the entire day with my family who I haven't seen in a month and I'm not the type to be on my phone constantly.  In fact, I'm quite
the opposite.  I hate being tied to my phone.  Besides, it's Saturday, and I'm having a great time bonding with my little 2 year-old niece the rest of the family.  Good 'ole quality family time.

Now, after spending an ENTIRE day with the family, I'm pooped.  I know you guys feel me on this one.  Don't get me wrong, I love my family - but I can only spend time with them in spurts.

So now it's Sunday morning and I'm getting ready to go to church.  I should probably check my WRX messages and PP Mr. C so he's not left wondering.
Well whaddya know:
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I guess I can understand where if I hadn't sent Mr. C a payment or responded within 24hrs it might be reasonable to assume that I was no longer interested in buying the shafts from him and that it was time to move on to the next seller.  He had every right to do so, and I appreciate him not doing that at this point.  But I assured him within that 24 hr frame that I would take care of the payment as soon as I was done with church.  24hrs isn't an unreasonable time to give someone to make a payment, is it?  Keep in mind he's in NJ and I'm in CA so there's a 3hr time gap.

And now that church is finally over, yay! I can go ahead and finally PP Mr. C!  Eager Beaver.
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I know "tone" can get misconstrued over text or email, but damn, Mr. C sounds a little feisty.  I appreciate you giving me 24hrs to make the payment and giving me a head's up about moving on to another buyer.  But it's Sunday.  Chill.  Eager Beaver.

A couple of more due diligence questions for some things I noticed and were never actually stated in the ad description:
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NOW THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET REALLY INTERESTING.

This is what I woke up to this morning.  Keep in mind, I PP'd Mr. C yesterday afternoon and the sale has been finalized.  Have a look for yourself and lmk what you think:
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Let's look at the facts here.

Did I drag my feet for several days?  If the definition of "several days" is 24 hours (plus a few hours to make the actual payment) then OK.  Guilty.

Was I chased down by Mr. C to make a payment?  Absolutely.  To a fault IMHO.

Was it "well within [Mr. C's] rights to consider other offers?"  Sure, but not AFTER I ALREADY PAID.  I mean, you can.

Had I "sent the payment when [I] initially said [I] was going to" the package would have already been shipped?  Well, excuse me, I never actually said WHEN I was going to send the payment.  But again, I think within 24 hrs is acceptable.

Did Mr. C ask me a "few times" if I was a "serious buyer?"  No, he didn't ask me at all.  Not once.  He just assumed that of me.

"Opportunity to match the offer but [I'm] not interested in that?"  Why would I be?  I ALREADY PAID FOR IT!

"Best offer almost always wins??"  I think NOT.  I do believe first to PP wins (Ya'll can back me up on this one!!).

The fact of the matter is, if Mr. C was so frustrated with me "dragging my feet" he could have told the other interested buyer that if he PP's the money before I did, he wins the sale, even if I reached out first.  DONE.  Problem solved.  Then, yeah, that's ON ME.

And who knows if there even was "another buyer?"  Mr. C could have just been reneging on a done deal.

Anyways, NO RESPECT FOR MR. C.  He certainly lives up to his name.   BUYERS BEWARE.



What do you guys think?  Would love your comments.

Edited by 1t2golf, 10 October 2018 - 08:11 AM.
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#2 awtryau89

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:15 PM

Can't wait for the responses to this one.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:16 PM

Deal was done when he accepted your $$. Asking you to send more 2 days later is BS and I'd ask for an immediate refund.

One more thing.....NEVER SEND VIA FRIENDS AND FAMILY. You're just asking to get stiffed.



....also blocking both of you from any future transactions. Get a grip.

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#4 drive4dough_putt4dough

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:19 PM

Btw you guys, Mr. C still hasn't marked those items as SOLD yet.

http://www.golfwrx.c...-high-end-gear/

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Edited by drive4dough_putt4dough, 09 October 2018 - 08:34 PM.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:22 PM

Have you received your refund?

I would remove the personal info in your post of the buyers real name.  It will get your thread deleted,

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:23 PM

View Postdrive4dough_putt4dough, on 09 October 2018 - 08:19 PM, said:

Btw you guys, Casey still hasn't marked those items as SOLD yet.

http://www.golfwrx.c...-high-end-gear/


He said he was keeping the items and  locking the thread on 10/3.  It is locked.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:29 PM

View Postkcsf, on 09 October 2018 - 08:16 PM, said:

Deal was done when he accepted your $$. Asking you to send more 2 days later is BS and I'd ask for an immediate refund.

One more thing.....NEVER SEND VIA FRIENDS AND FAMILY. You're just asking to get stiffed.

Thank you for the tip.  Ya NEVER AGAIN.
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#8 drive4dough_putt4dough

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:32 PM

View PostSmokey227, on 09 October 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

Have you received your refund?

I would remove the personal info in your post of the buyers real name.  It will get your thread deleted,

Luckily I did.

Edited by drive4dough_putt4dough, 09 October 2018 - 08:34 PM.

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#9 urkslaven

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    Why don't we just wait here awhile...see what happens...

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:34 PM

I hope you get your money back. Never gift bro! Good luck!

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:34 PM

Sounds like youíre both royal pains in the a$$. Hope to avoid both of you on the BST in the future.


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#11 drive4dough_putt4dough

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:39 PM

View Posturkslaven, on 09 October 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

I hope you get your money back. Never gift bro! Good luck!

Thanks bro!  Yes NEVER AGAIN!
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:40 PM

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:42 PM

That's one HECK of a (hefty) post. Thanks for providing the details.

I think that when you want an item you should pay ASAP. And you shouldn't expect the seller to wait around for your payment.

HOWEVER, him agreeing to the deal and then coming back asking you to pay another $75 or he's going to cancel it...ridiculous.

Shady & ridiculous. But makes sense from someone who asks you to gift.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:48 PM

Jeez that’s a long post. I do think that if you agreed to buy the shafts and then took that long to send payment then that is not great etiquette by you. That being said, trying to charge $75 after the fact is some shady stuff. And NEVER GIFT.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:59 PM

where is the response??? cant wait to see how this plays out.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:05 PM

View PostMichaelJScott, on 09 October 2018 - 08:59 PM, said:

where is the response??? cant wait to see how this plays out.

I'm just making some popcorn...

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:06 PM

View Poststraightshot7, on 09 October 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

That's one HECK of a (hefty) post. Thanks for providing the details.

I think that when you want an item you should pay ASAP. And you shouldn't expect the seller to wait around for your payment.

HOWEVER, him agreeing to the deal and then coming back asking you to pay another $75 or he's going to cancel it...ridiculous.

Shady & ridiculous. But makes sense from someone who asks you to gift.

Adding Crooks to block list.

Absolutely agree with you.  If he ended up accepting someone else's offer BEFORE I paid bc I took too long then that's on me and I wouldn't have held that against him.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:07 PM

View Postcvhookem63, on 09 October 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

Jeez that’s a long post. I do think that if you agreed to buy the shafts and then took that long to send payment then that is not great etiquette by you. That being said, trying to charge $75 after the fact is some shady stuff. And NEVER GIFT.

Agree.  I could have made the payment sooner.  That's my bad.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:09 PM

Wow. Iíll pass on both. This is a nightmare. You both look like clowns.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:35 PM

Seller sounds like a used car salesman hounding a potential buyer.

Buyer sounds like he had money burning a hole in his pocket without a clue on where to spend it.

With that said, you had a deal locked in and he stuck it to you. Get your money back and move on. Your first flag shouldíve been his persistency in getting you to pay.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:36 PM

View Postdrive4dough_putt4dough, on 09 October 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

View Postcvhookem63, on 09 October 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

Jeez thatís a long post. I do think that if you agreed to buy the shafts and then took that long to send payment then that is not great etiquette by you. That being said, trying to charge $75 after the fact is some shady stuff. And NEVER GIFT.

Agree.  I could have made the payment sooner.  That's my bad.

Have you got your money back?

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#22 drive4dough_putt4dough

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:42 PM

View Posthack2489, on 09 October 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

View Postdrive4dough_putt4dough, on 09 October 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

View Postcvhookem63, on 09 October 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

Jeez that's a long post. I do think that if you agreed to buy the shafts and then took that long to send payment then that is not great etiquette by you. That being said, trying to charge $75 after the fact is some shady stuff. And NEVER GIFT.

Agree.  I could have made the payment sooner.  That's my bad.

Have you got your money back?

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:57 PM

Close this thread. Dumb
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:59 PM

Impressive tantrum.

I want to make something very clear. If you read through all 49 posts of this rediculous PM thread you will see that I never demanded more money but gave ample opportunity to match the best offer. I refunded his money immediately once he requested it. Given how long it took for him to send the payment after several chasers I was never confident that he wouldnít back out at any time so I did what nearly everyone else here would do and thatís entertain other offers. I already had one person back out and request a refund because they changed their mind, which I granted right away, but I felt this was going the same way due to the delays. End of story.

Iím tired of this drama so Iím moving on. Feel free to continue debating. Iím sure there will be many more clever posts.

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Edited by Crooksc17, 10 October 2018 - 04:48 AM.


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#25 AzSuperHack76

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:06 PM

Wowzers, I'd hate to deal with either one of you. What a bunch of BS...


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:17 PM

View PostCrooksc17, on 09 October 2018 - 09:59 PM, said:

Impressive tantrum.

I want to make something very clear. If you read through all 49 posts of this rediculous PM thread you will see that I never demanded more money but gave ample opportunity to match the best offer. I refunded his money immediately once he requested it. Given how long it took for him to send the payment after several chasers I was never confident that he wouldn't back out at any time so I did what nearly everyone else here would do and that's secure a deal that I was confident would pan out. I already had one person back out and request a refund because they changed their mind, which I granted right away, but I felt this was going the same way due to the delays. End of story.

I'm tired of this drama so I'm moving on. Feel free to continue debating. I'm sure there will be many more clever posts.

Thanks

Match the best offer?

He had already sent you payment! That you agreed to and acknowledged that you received.

When someone sends you money in the amount that you agreed to, that's not an offer. That's a done deal.

You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself here.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:20 PM

Anyone asking for friends and family or sending should be banned.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:41 PM

OP, as you mentioned, dragging your feet didn't help the situation.  However, once you sent the money the deal should be honored.  

Fielding additional offers before the money is collected?  Good idea.  Fielding offers after the money is collected?  Shady and really lacking in integrity.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:19 PM

"I never demanded more money but gave you time to match or beat the offer"

uhhh no cheif. hit the road with that.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:20 PM

View PostCrooksc17, on 09 October 2018 - 09:59 PM, said:

you will see that I never demanded more money but gave ample opportunity to match the best offer.
Thanks

I had to LOL hard at this part of the comment.  And lets just say the OP took the opportunity to match the $75, I bet there will be a magical offer that is higher than the last, this time I'll give you an opportunity to match the next best offer, please send $100 now.


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