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Stability Putter Shaft...worth the dough


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#1 brockgolf44

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 08:03 AM

So, I go into Club Champion and told myself " don't buy anything, you're happy with all the clubs in your bag right now, just get the adapter switched on driver shafts and your wedge bent and get out of there...dont be a ho."  45 min later I have bought Honma irons and a $200 putter shaft.

In regards to the putter shaft...its the Stability shaft created in part by Barney Adams. I was sold after my first stroke with it on the putting green, and I never buy putters in stores so this is one area where my "ho'n" is under control.

The consistent stroke, contact and feel was like nothing I had ever felt in a putter. I went to get mine out of my car and test against it and I immediately felt as if I was holding a putter with a junior Flex graphite shaft in it.  The Stability takes virtually all of the flex and torque (actually much more complex than that but will keep it simple) out of the shaft and essentially prevents your putter head from twisting off line throughout the stroke and at impact.  

Two rounds later and a couple of putting green sessions...I will say it's an adjustment on longer delicate putts but overall amazing.  I have found that I am leaving putts short because (I think) I'm not getting that extra lag/flex like I did in the past. It's just a matter of getting used to having less of the "hit" and being more reliant on the "stroke."  However, I have had made all the 5-7 footers I have had with it because you virtually cannot miss your line with this shaft. As long as you hit it hard enough the ball goes exactly where you aimed and lined it up.

As for the cost...$200 is a bit silly, but if you really break down the $/usage compared to the other clubs we ho's regularly drop $200 + on...its really nothing.  I have had set ups way more expensive than this in my 3-wood and driving iron of which I often times go multiple rounds where I don't hit either of them.

If there is a shop somewhere near you that has one I'd recommend giving it a try. The good thing about it is you can just slide it right on your current putter so you're not learning to putt with a new putter you're just hopefully improving the one you've already got in your bag. Interested and to see if anybody else has tried it and has had the same experience.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 08:09 AM

TXG did a review on this shaft on You Tube. ;)
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 08:15 AM

Have one, need rounds. But something is different for the better -


A putter is a combo of everything. I have a heavy grip and lost some head feel - added 4g of lead tape to head, can now feel the head but not too much - it's a Goldilocks thing. Took the entire combo to practice green, which means little, but distance control with the DF improved on 30 and 40 footers, where I have my primary issues.

I really like how the ball comes off the putter with this shaft - I did notice that difference between stock and BGT Stability Shaft.

Edited by SwingMan, 08 October 2018 - 08:22 AM.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 06:27 PM

I just put one of these in my putter. Noticable difference immediately. It seems as though every putt starts exactly on the line i intend. Distance control on long putts seems to be better, but wonít truly know this until I use it longer. But there is no doubt that in rolling the ball significantly better, wth th ball clearly starting on my intended line way more often.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 07:43 PM

View PostSwingMan, on 08 October 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

Have one, need rounds. But something is different for the better -

View PostFindog88, on 08 October 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

I just put one of these in my putter.

How did you get the shaft?  Did you send it in like they recommend?  Or did you have a dealer install.  How long did it take?


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Posted 08 October 2018 - 07:47 PM

I'm going to put a 130X C Taper in my current putter. May be a little more harsh than graphite but it's the same concept.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 08:48 PM

View Postdbdors, on 08 October 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

View PostSwingMan, on 08 October 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

Have one, need rounds. But something is different for the better -

View PostFindog88, on 08 October 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

I just put one of these in my putter.

How did you get the shaft?  Did you send it in like they recommend?  Or did you have a dealer install.  How long did it take?

I live near Dallas, their offices and fitting room is in Richardson, just outside of Dallas proper. Told them I was coming by and it was installed in a few minutes. I suggest you send it to them - the installers once worked in the Adams Golf tour van. Saw Barney Adams, who stopped and shook hands.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:11 PM

I don't know about trying to simulate the same shaft with a cut-down iron shaft. I had a putter with a TruTemper T2C "heavy" putter shaft(200g) and it was a telephone pole that felt like total garbage. It felt like I was hitting every putt off the toe, and it was a Tei3 putter head!

I like my soft flexy putter shafts, adds so much more feel and responsiveness at impact. To each their own, I guess.

Edited by A.Princey, 08 October 2018 - 11:26 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:34 PM

i dont know that shaft at all, but putter shafts is already the stiffest there is, many of them is stiffer than DG Tour X7 Wedge so i have a problem to see that a putter the way we use it, should be influenced for the better by going even stronger, but maybe there is something to get if the putter shaft you play is to the softer side?. Putter balance is more important in my book then shaft flex is, but what do i know? i have not tried that shaft, i play UST Frequency filtered and is very happy with it.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 12:08 PM

View PostHoward Jones, on 08 October 2018 - 11:34 PM, said:

i dont know that shaft at all, but putter shafts is already the stiffest there is, many of them is stiffer than DG Tour X7 Wedge so i have a problem to see that a putter the way we use it, should be influenced for the better by going even stronger, but maybe there is something to get if the putter shaft you play is to the softer side?. Putter balance is more important in my book then shaft flex is, but what do i know? i have not tried that shaft, i play UST Frequency filtered and is very happy with it.

Average club head weight for irons and woods=<300g.

A lot of these high MOI putters are over 315 g.

I have not tested torque or anything on Putters, just my useless two cents

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 12:12 PM

View Postextrastiff, on 09 October 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

View PostHoward Jones, on 08 October 2018 - 11:34 PM, said:

i dont know that shaft at all, but putter shafts is already the stiffest there is, many of them is stiffer than DG Tour X7 Wedge so i have a problem to see that a putter the way we use it, should be influenced for the better by going even stronger, but maybe there is something to get if the putter shaft you play is to the softer side?. Putter balance is more important in my book then shaft flex is, but what do i know? i have not tried that shaft, i play UST Frequency filtered and is very happy with it.

Average club head weight for irons and woods=<300g.

A lot of these high MOI putters are over 315 g.

I have not tested torque or anything on Putters, just my useless two cents

i know that, but head wgt vs shaft is also a question of club speed, so we cant say we "overload" our putter shafts and by that need something stronger, but again, i have no experience with this shaft, i was just posting to tell that putters shafts is to the stronger side of irons as they are

Edited by Howard Jones, 09 October 2018 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 04:43 PM

View PostHoward Jones, on 08 October 2018 - 11:34 PM, said:

i dont know that shaft at all, but putter shafts is already the stiffest there is, many of them is stiffer than DG Tour X7 Wedge so i have a problem to see that a putter the way we use it, should be influenced for the better by going even stronger, but maybe there is something to get if the putter shaft you play is to the softer side?. Putter balance is more important in my book then shaft flex is, but what do i know? i have not tried that shaft, i play UST Frequency filtered and is very happy with it.

The UST Frequency Filtered, which I own in another putter, affects feel.

The BGT - Breakthrough Golf Tech Shaft - is designed so the putter has no lag and the face returns square at impact, both vertically and horizontally. It also affects the balance point, which may rise slightly upwards with its normal shaft.

Edited by SwingMan, 09 October 2018 - 04:44 PM.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:09 PM

View Postdbdors, on 08 October 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

View PostSwingMan, on 08 October 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

Have one, need rounds. But something is different for the better -

View PostFindog88, on 08 October 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

I just put one of these in my putter.

How did you get the shaft?  Did you send it in like they recommend?  Or did you have a dealer install.  How long did it take?

I had a dealer install. Iím in Canada near Toronto so had Modern Golf do it for me.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:25 PM

It sounds like this shaft would make the putter a more consistent stroke.  If this were the case, why wouldn't touring pros be jumping all over this?

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:36 PM

For players in contracts, they may not be allowed to.

Do you think Scotty or Ping want STABILITY written on the shaft taking away from people seeing SCOTTY CAMERON/PING on the grip or putter?

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:38 PM

But they don't have that issue with their drivers or irons.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:46 PM

View Post4rheel, on 09 October 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

But they don't have that issue with their drivers or irons.

Because everybody has a OEM name on their driver and iron shafts. If one or two guys.. or 20, suddenly have STABILITY instead of their "brand-less" putter shaft, it's going to draw attention away from the actual club maker.

Nobody cares if X PGA guy has a TPT driver shaft... but if he's in some exotic never before seen putter shaft, it could cause some kind of stir. Instead of "oh guy X is in a new Scotty GSS this year" it's, "Ohhhhh guy X has  the stability shaft??? I'm going to buy one tomorrow".

Edited by Z1ggy16, 09 October 2018 - 05:47 PM.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:54 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 09 October 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

View Post4rheel, on 09 October 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

But they don't have that issue with their drivers or irons.

Because everybody has a OEM name on their driver and iron shafts. If one or two guys.. or 20, suddenly have STABILITY instead of their "brand-less" putter shaft, it's going to draw attention away from the actual club maker.

Nobody cares if X PGA guy has a TPT driver shaft... but if he's in some exotic never before seen putter shaft, it could cause some kind of stir. Instead of "oh guy X is in a new Scotty GSS this year" it's, "Ohhhhh guy X has  the stability shaft??? I'm going to buy one tomorrow".
Actually it's probably because it may not make a measurable difference for them, and if they're the best in the world at putting, maybe they don't need a special shaft to get better. But I'm sure some guys will use it with time, like BAD using a Matrix putter shaft. More $$$$$ for essentially nothing for a recreational golfer.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:01 PM

Putter shafts appear to be pretty stiff already.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:02 PM

View PostDFS PFD, on 09 October 2018 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 09 October 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

View Post4rheel, on 09 October 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

But they don't have that issue with their drivers or irons.

Because everybody has a OEM name on their driver and iron shafts. If one or two guys.. or 20, suddenly have STABILITY instead of their "brand-less" putter shaft, it's going to draw attention away from the actual club maker.

Nobody cares if X PGA guy has a TPT driver shaft... but if he's in some exotic never before seen putter shaft, it could cause some kind of stir. Instead of "oh guy X is in a new Scotty GSS this year" it's, "Ohhhhh guy X has  the stability shaft??? I'm going to buy one tomorrow".
Actually it's probably because it may not make a measurable difference for them, and if they're the best in the world at putting, maybe they don't need a special shaft to get better. But I'm sure some guys will use it with time, like BAD using a Matrix putter shaft. More $$$$$ for essentially nothing for a recreational golfer.
It's probably a mix of contractual reasons, and the fact as you say... do guys who strike within 1/4'' of the center 99% of the time need it? Not really.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 07:55 PM

View PostHoward Jones, on 09 October 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

View Postextrastiff, on 09 October 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

View PostHoward Jones, on 08 October 2018 - 11:34 PM, said:

i dont know that shaft at all, but putter shafts is already the stiffest there is, many of them is stiffer than DG Tour X7 Wedge so i have a problem to see that a putter the way we use it, should be influenced for the better by going even stronger, but maybe there is something to get if the putter shaft you play is to the softer side?. Putter balance is more important in my book then shaft flex is, but what do i know? i have not tried that shaft, i play UST Frequency filtered and is very happy with it.

Average club head weight for irons and woods=<300g.

A lot of these high MOI putters are over 315 g.

I have not tested torque or anything on Putters, just my useless two cents

i know that, but head wgt vs shaft is also a question of club speed, so we cant say we "overload" our putter shafts and by that need something stronger, but again, i have no experience with this shaft, i was just posting to tell that putters shafts is to the stronger side of irons as they are
Again, I've never tested, but I felt I would overload my two ball dang putter on long putts
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:08 PM

View PostDFS PFD, on 09 October 2018 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 09 October 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

View Post4rheel, on 09 October 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

But they don't have that issue with their drivers or irons.

Because everybody has a OEM name on their driver and iron shafts. If one or two guys.. or 20, suddenly have STABILITY instead of their "brand-less" putter shaft, it's going to draw attention away from the actual club maker.

Nobody cares if X PGA guy has a TPT driver shaft... but if he's in some exotic never before seen putter shaft, it could cause some kind of stir. Instead of "oh guy X is in a new Scotty GSS this year" it's, "Ohhhhh guy X has  the stability shaft??? I'm going to buy one tomorrow".
Actually it's probably because it may not make a measurable difference for them, and if they're the best in the world at putting, maybe they don't need a special shaft to get better. But I'm sure some guys will use it with time, like BAD using a Matrix putter shaft. More $$$$$ for essentially nothing for a recreational golfer.

I don't know how many pros with a 360 gram putter head.  

So maybe not much need on tour. But I'd argue more use for recreational golfer.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:49 PM

View Post4rheel, on 09 October 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:

It sounds like this shaft would make the putter a more consistent stroke.  If this were the case, why wouldn't touring pros be jumping all over this?

I spoke with them about tour exposure - from memory, they said their Tour Rep was the Adams Tour Rep - well known and liked - and plenty of Tour Pros have them, some are in the bag, some are still trying them out. In the other BGT thread, they list the names of pros. Take a look at that thread.
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 07:42 AM

View PostSwingMan, on 09 October 2018 - 08:49 PM, said:

View Post4rheel, on 09 October 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:

It sounds like this shaft would make the putter a more consistent stroke.  If this were the case, why wouldn't touring pros be jumping all over this?

I spoke with them about tour exposure - from memory, they said their Tour Rep was the Adams Tour Rep - well known and liked - and plenty of Tour Pros have them, some are in the bag, some are still trying them out. In the other BGT thread, they list the names of pros. Take a look at that thread.
Yeah I think if I remember seeing that on online or somewhere, but there were some big names who already have it in a test putter, or were interested in it. Pretty certain I remember Justin Rose being on that list and a few other notable names.
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 07:50 AM

So I'm an idiot when it comes to some of the uber-technical stuff, so bear with me. I dont feel like I need something like this for me personally but if it works I guess I'd agree that people should try anything. But if the point is to have less deflection and be more stable - what's the major difference between a shaft like this and say playing a graphite shaft like Bryson plays? Wouldn't it be more stable than a steel shaft by default? I seem to remember Matrix marketing their shafts in such a way on some old Bettinardi putter sites.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:28 AM

View Postdcmidnight, on 10 October 2018 - 07:50 AM, said:

what's the major difference between a shaft like this and say playing a graphite shaft like Bryson plays? Wouldn't it be more stable than a steel shaft by default?

No really.  There is no 'default' when it comes to either steel or graphite shafts.   It all comes down to what the designer wanted to accomplish for specs for the particular shaft.    Graphite probably has more potential for various combinations of those specs - but that doesn't tell us what the designer was trying to accomplish.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:40 AM

Apparently the Stability shaft torque is 1.0 which was created to keep the head from getting off path by twisting even the slightest degree. That twist can happen from flex in the swing or hitting outside the center of mass. The guys at TXG did a pretty good job covering this shaft, as they do everything else.
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:48 AM

View PostBar_Stroll, on 10 October 2018 - 08:40 AM, said:

Apparently the Stability shaft torque is 1.0 which was created to keep the head from getting off path by twisting even the slightest degree. That twist can happen from flex in the swing or hitting outside the center of mass. The guys at TXG did a pretty good job covering this shaft, as they do everything else.
Yes they did... And my memory is not great but if I recall, didn't Ian say that even just 1* of deflection (say from a toe strike) will cause you to miss a 12 foot putt? I always assuming that the shaft wasn't really meant to lower deflection or twisting during the swing, but rather on impact.
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 09:16 AM

But the better question (and un-answered IMO) is how much does the torque of the shaft actually influence the face rotation from an off center impact - during the time the ball is still in contact with the face? We're pretty sure it doesn't noticeably help for the full swing - but that doesn't necessarily mean it can't for the putter.   The only actual data I saw from the BGT folks (the graph of heel and toe velocity) and it only showed differences 'long' after impact and after the ball is gone.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 11:40 AM

View PostStuart G., on 10 October 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

But the better question (and un-answered IMO) is how much does the torque of the shaft actually influence the face rotation from an off center impact - during the time the ball is still in contact with the face? We're pretty sure it doesn't noticeably help for the full swing - but that doesn't necessarily mean it can't for the putter.   The only actual data I saw from the BGT folks (the graph of heel and toe velocity) and it only showed differences 'long' after impact and after the ball is gone.

Wouldn't the graph by BGT, whether after or during contact, indicate less stability after being hit from oscillation mean less energy transferred into the ball during? Also, the oscillations on the steel shaft graph go from 15 to 25 frames past initial impact taken at 2500 frames/sec. or between .006 - .01 seconds from initial impact.

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