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Are you kidding me!! How come few instructors talk about this!!!!


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#31 jromes23

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 11:09 PM

Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 12:35 AM

View Postjromes23, on 05 October 2018 - 11:09 PM, said:

Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out

Rubbish

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 01:30 AM

I see Adams shoulder going down on the way back, then staying down  through transition. Am I missing something here?

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 07:40 AM

View Postjromes23, on 05 October 2018 - 11:09 PM, said:

Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out

Only after impact it should move up, in and back.
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 07:54 AM

View PostGolfbeat, on 06 October 2018 - 07:40 AM, said:

View Postjromes23, on 05 October 2018 - 11:09 PM, said:

Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out

Only after impact it should move up, in and back.

Yes, but like Monte said people have different perceptions, i need to move up and out from the start or i won’t get to impact

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 08:58 AM

View Postoz dee cee, on 06 October 2018 - 01:30 AM, said:

I see Adams shoulder going down on the way back, then staying down  through transition. Am I missing something here?

It definitely goes down in transition

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 09:02 AM

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 10:05 AM

Very few people above scratch are in a back swing position like Adam Scott to begin with. Like, almost nobody.

Edited by Golfbeat, 06 October 2018 - 10:06 AM.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 10:18 AM

i've been struggling with keeping the left shoulder starting down with driver while still hitting up on the ball. Any tips?

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 10:23 AM

View PostGo_Time, on 06 October 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

i've been struggling with keeping the left shoulder starting down with driver while still hitting up on the ball. Any tips?

You’re screwing up somewhere else.  Nobody could possibly know without seeing you swing.  And hitting up on it absolutely isn’t as important as most think it is.


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 10:40 AM

Yes and yes to the OP! Same for me.

I watched one of these Golf with Aimee videos (great stuff!) where she simply says lead shoulder down not around. Tried this a few wks ago and it was instant success and stripping the ball.

Felt great but I was also like why was I never told this!!

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 11:49 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 06 October 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

View Postoz dee cee, on 06 October 2018 - 01:30 AM, said:

I see Adams shoulder going down on the way back, then staying down  through transition. Am I missing something here?

It definitely goes down in transition

Yep, clear as day to me,

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 11:50 AM

View Postjromes23, on 05 October 2018 - 11:09 PM, said:

Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out

For the first move in transition? Sure..if you want to hit hooks and shanks (speaking from experience)

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 12:04 PM

Nobody is talking about the right femur down in transition for right handed golfers. Monte has this in Drive for Dough video. I keep coming back to this feel when things go bad. It's getting that rt foot pressure during setup that i struggle with and my feet are slightly closed. Knees, hips, and shoulders OK. Looks like Adam Scott's femur does drop.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 12:04 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 06 October 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

View Postoz dee cee, on 06 October 2018 - 01:30 AM, said:

I see Adams shoulder going down on the way back, then staying down  through transition. Am I missing something here?

It definitely goes down in transition

Thanks for the Adam Scott highlight!


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 12:10 PM

A few ironic observations about how the golf public reacts to tour players golf swings.

1.  When a tour player has a unique aspect to his swing, everyone wants to copy it thinking it’s the magic move.   DJ’s wrist, Rory’s double hip clutch, Sergio’s excess lay down, etc.
2.  When someone has a swing fault hurting their swing and ball striking, they want to point to a very few players on tour who do that as reasoning for it being OK.  Bubba and Daly’s long swing, Montomerie’s hip sway, Day and Koepka’s limited hip turn.
3.  When it’s shown that the vast majority, or all players do a certain thing that flies in the face of conventional wisdom or long held beliefs, it’s no good and one player not doing it would prove it wrong.

I guess we’re all nuts to begin with for chasing a white ball with crooked sticks.

As The late great Robin Williams once opined, why would you want to hit it again, you’re lucky you found it after hit it the first time.  (Paraphrase)

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 12:24 PM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 06 October 2018 - 12:10 PM, said:

A few ironic observations about how the golf public reacts to tour players golf swings.

1.  When a tour player has a unique aspect to his swing, everyone wants to copy it thinking it’s the magic move.   DJ’s wrist, Rory’s double hip clutch, Sergio’s excess lay down, etc.
2.  When someone has a swing fault hurting their swing and ball striking, they want to point to a very few players on tour who do that as reasoning for it being OK.  Bubba and Daly’s long swing, Montomerie’s hip sway, Day and Koepka’s limited hip turn.
3.  When it’s shown that the vast majority, or all players do a certain thing that flies in the face of conventional wisdom or long held beliefs, it’s no good and one player not doing it would prove it wrong.

I guess we’re all nuts to begin with for chasing a white ball with crooked sticks.

As The late great Robin Williams once opined, why would you want to hit it again, you’re lucky you found it after hit it the first time.  (Paraphrase)
"Yes Sir" I'm in my 57th year of going nuts. Come to Syracuse next year papa squirrel.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 12:37 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 06 October 2018 - 10:23 AM, said:

View PostGo_Time, on 06 October 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

i've been struggling with keeping the left shoulder starting down with driver while still hitting up on the ball. Any tips?

You're screwing up somewhere else.  Nobody could possibly know without seeing you swing.  And hitting up on it absolutely isn't as important as most think it is.

you've seen my swing - hoping I have some progress to show the next time you see it ;)

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 01:37 PM

View PostGolfbeat, on 06 October 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

Very few people above scratch are in a back swing position like Adam Scott to begin with. Like, almost nobody.
A good point
To go a step further ,golfers who want to get into a better position in their downswing should work on improving their backswing.
And an integral part of improving the backswing is setting up correctly.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 01:39 PM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 06 October 2018 - 12:10 PM, said:

A few ironic observations about how the golf public reacts to tour players golf swings.

1.  When a tour player has a unique aspect to his swing, everyone wants to copy it thinking it’s the magic move.   DJ’s wrist, Rory’s double hip clutch, Sergio’s excess lay down, etc.
2.  When someone has a swing fault hurting their swing and ball striking, they want to point to a very few players on tour who do that as reasoning for it being OK.  Bubba and Daly’s long swing, Montomerie’s hip sway, Day and Koepka’s limited hip turn.
3.  When it’s shown that the vast majority, or all players do a certain thing that flies in the face of conventional wisdom or long held beliefs, it’s no good and one player not doing it would prove it wrong.

I guess we’re all nuts to begin with for chasing a white ball with crooked sticks.

As The late great Robin Williams once opined, why would you want to hit it again, you’re lucky you found it after hit it the first time.  (Paraphrase)


But, but,but   It’s all absolutes......younhave to do it that way!


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 02:06 PM

 MonteScheinblum, on 06 October 2018 - 12:10 PM, said:

A few ironic observations about how the golf public reacts to tour players golf swings.

1.  When a tour player has a unique aspect to his swing, everyone wants to copy it thinking it’s the magic move.   DJ’s wrist, Rory’s double hip clutch, Sergio’s excess lay down, etc.
2.  When someone has a swing fault hurting their swing and ball striking, they want to point to a very few players on tour who do that as reasoning for it being OK.  Bubba and Daly’s long swing, Montomerie’s hip sway, Day and Koepka’s limited hip turn.
3.  When it’s shown that the vast majority, or all players do a certain thing that flies in the face of conventional wisdom or long held beliefs, it’s no good and one player not doing it would prove it wrong.

I guess we’re all nuts to begin with for chasing a white ball with crooked sticks.

As The late great Robin Williams once opined, why would you want to hit it again, you’re lucky you found it after hit it the first time.  (Paraphrase)

Monte, you’re getting so wise in your old age.
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 02:18 PM

Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going

Edited by Jesterdoc, 06 October 2018 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 02:24 PM

 Jesterdoc, on 06 October 2018 - 02:18 PM, said:

Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going

Try this: complete your backswing and to start your downswing feel “belt buckle down” as your swing thought. Like your dropping the level of your belt buckle

Edited by ebrasmus21, 06 October 2018 - 02:25 PM.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 02:25 PM

 ebrasmus21, on 06 October 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

 Jesterdoc, on 06 October 2018 - 02:18 PM, said:

Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going

Try this: complete your backswing and to start your downswing feel “belt buckle down” as your swing thought.


Kind of like Hogan’s squat or different?

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 02:29 PM

 Jesterdoc, on 06 October 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

 ebrasmus21, on 06 October 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

 Jesterdoc, on 06 October 2018 - 02:18 PM, said:

Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going

Try this: complete your backswing and to start your downswing feel “belt buckle down” as your swing thought.


Kind of like Hogan’s squat or different?

Monte might have to chime in but I don’t think so.  It sounds like you have the same struggle I do with the lead shoulder.  Thinking about that didn’t work for me. So, instead of thinking about my shoulder Monte had me think about “belt buckle down” to get some flexion in transition which accomplished the same thing.  

It was a swing thought that worked better for me.  Give it a try.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 02:37 PM

 MonteScheinblum, on 05 October 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

It's a bunch of different things.  Hopefully, you only have to do 1/2 things and get them all.

Left arm off chest
Left shoulder off chin
"Keep back to target"
Left shoulder down and forward to left leg
Lead with right elbow
Stay in left tilt longer
Regain flexion
Dropping arms (out and forward too)

All of those are basically the same move.  It's all how you perceive it.

And its good if your coach can use the different "moves" or ideas to get you to where you need to be because people learn so differently.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 02:45 PM

 buckeyefl, on 06 October 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

 MonteScheinblum, on 05 October 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

It's a bunch of different things.  Hopefully, you only have to do 1/2 things and get them all.

Left arm off chest
Left shoulder off chin
"Keep back to target"
Left shoulder down and forward to left leg
Lead with right elbow
Stay in left tilt longer
Regain flexion
Dropping arms (out and forward too)

All of those are basically the same move.  It's all how you perceive it.

And its good if your coach can use the different "moves" or ideas to get you to where you need to be because people learn so differently.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 03:20 PM

https://youtu.be/wq5T8P18Mfg

So would this be a drill to help the “back to target” feel?

I tried it and it felt horrible and weird and wrong. Which generally for me means I need to work on it because it’s different from what I’m currently doin’. And what I’m currently doin’ ain’t workin’

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 03:23 PM

 Jesterdoc, on 06 October 2018 - 02:18 PM, said:

Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going

Go find a full length mirror to practice in front of and work on it very slowly. I would bet you will be stunned what it actually feels like to do this properly. I know I was.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 03:44 PM

 iteachgolf, on 06 October 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

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Omg, so we are talking about 2 inch move.  Good luck trying to make that happen.


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