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#1 Noles

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 07:49 AM

How many kids play in the postseason tournaments in your state as compared to the regular season?  I have always paid attention to high school golf but never really noticed that in PA, the number of kids who play in the match or tournament and the number of scores that count are reduced once teams get to the district level.  During the regular season, 8 kids play in the matches and it is up to the league to decide how many scores count.  Most count 5, a few count 6.  When it gets past the league playoffs and then enters the District, then Regional then State tournaments, the number of players playing is reduced to 5 and the number of scores that count is reduced to 4.  This really doesn't make sense from a competitive standpoint.  I liken it to playing 5 on 5 basketball all year long, then switching to 3 on 3 for the playoffs.  Any other state do this or something similar?

Edited by Noles, 05 October 2018 - 07:50 AM.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:45 AM

Very common from what I have seen - we live in TN, and is in line with collegiate competition.  Not sure the 5-5 analogy works here and from a sheer logistical standpoint, with teams coming together from various regions, you couldn’t accommodate having all teams with 6-8 players teeing off especially as daylight is fleeting as the season progresses.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:57 AM

In Virginia, 6 play for 4 scores regardless of competition level or significance of the match.  From the beginning of the regular season on August 1st through the state tournament the second week in October.  The state tournament is Monday and Tuesday in Virginia if anyone is wondering.

Most early season matches are 18 holes given the amount of daylight left in August and early September.  Once daylight becomes fleeting, the remainder of the season is a series 9-hole matches.  The district and regional tournaments are 18 hole matches each while the state tournament is conducted over 36 holes.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 10:17 AM

View Postcubuffs, on 05 October 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

Very common from what I have seen - we live in TN, and is in line with collegiate competition.  Not sure the 5-5 analogy works here and from a sheer logistical standpoint, with teams coming together from various regions, you couldn’t accommodate having all teams with 6-8 players teeing off especially as daylight is fleeting as the season progresses.

If logistics are an issue, than I would prefer they solved that issue without changing the conditions of the competition.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 10:26 AM

View PostSixcat, on 05 October 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

In Virginia, 6 play for 4 scores regardless of competition level or significance of the match.  From the beginning of the regular season on August 1st through the state tournament the second week in October.  The state tournament is Monday and Tuesday in Virginia if anyone is wondering.

Most early season matches are 18 holes given the amount of daylight left in August and early September.  Once daylight becomes fleeting, the remainder of the season is a series 9-hole matches.  The district and regional tournaments are 18 hole matches each while the state tournament is conducted over 36 holes.

I should also add, I live in Virginia very near the state border with North Carolina.  My local high school has 6 team state championships and a number of individual state champions in recent years.  Two neighboring high schools in nearby North Carolina have also won multiple state championships in recent years.  Our season in Virginia is from August through October.  Their season begins in April and runs through the end of the school year in early June.  Our local high school would love to compete against those guys at the high school level but can't.  We play in the fall, they play in the spring.

The timing of their season also allows them to play virtually all 18 hole matches since the days are getting longer in spring and early summer rather than shorter as we leave summer and enter fall.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 10:57 AM

Florida regular season and Post season is play 5 count 4 scores.  During regular season, if all coaches agree, they will play 6 and keep 4 scores.  Our school plays primarily in only 18 hole or 36 hole events.   A lot of the 18 hole and 36 hole events are bring 6.  9 hole tournaments are a complete wast of time.  When we do them the coach plays the B team.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 11:02 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 05 October 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Florida regular season and Post season is play 5 count 4 scores.  During regular season, if all coaches agree, they will play 6 and keep 4 scores.  Our school plays primarily in only 18 hole or 36 hole events.   A lot of the 18 hole and 36 hole events are bring 6.  9 hole tournaments are a complete wast of time.  When we do them the coach plays the B team.
Fall or spring season?

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 11:08 AM

View PostNoles, on 05 October 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 05 October 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Florida regular season and Post season is play 5 count 4 scores.  During regular season, if all coaches agree, they will play 6 and keep 4 scores.  Our school plays primarily in only 18 hole or 36 hole events.   A lot of the 18 hole and 36 hole events are bring 6.  9 hole tournaments are a complete wast of time.  When we do them the coach plays the B team.
Fall or spring season?

Fall

We are actually looking for a tournament or two to travel out of state to play next fall.  They have been to the Antigua in Arizona in the past, but 6-7 hour rounds are not fun.  Our team will be loaded next year.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 07:35 PM

Here in Colorado itís regular season play 5 take 4, for regionals itís play 4 take 3, and if your team makes it to state itís the same. Had 84 kids in state, consisting of the 1 and 2 teams at all four of the regionals, and then the top 20 individuals at each regional. To make regionals, itís the top 8 teams in each conference, so about 100 kids per regional. All 18 hole events besides regionals and state, which are 36.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 05:11 AM

View PostNoles, on 05 October 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:

View Postcubuffs, on 05 October 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

Very common from what I have seen - we live in TN, and is in line with collegiate competition.  Not sure the 5-5 analogy works here and from a sheer logistical standpoint, with teams coming together from various regions, you couldnít accommodate having all teams with 6-8 players teeing off especially as daylight is fleeting as the season progresses.

If logistics are an issue, than I would prefer they solved that issue without changing the conditions of the competition.

Still played by the same USGA rules isnít it?

Again, this is only a team competition as it pertains to cumulative score.  Itís not as if teams are scheming are setting up situations for the entire team like basketball or baseball.

Edited by cubuffs, 06 October 2018 - 05:16 AM.


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 10:54 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 05 October 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

View PostNoles, on 05 October 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 05 October 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Florida regular season and Post season is play 5 count 4 scores.  During regular season, if all coaches agree, they will play 6 and keep 4 scores.  Our school plays primarily in only 18 hole or 36 hole events.   A lot of the 18 hole and 36 hole events are bring 6.  9 hole tournaments are a complete wast of time.  When we do them the coach plays the B team.
Fall or spring season?

Fall

We are actually looking for a tournament or two to travel out of state to play next fall.  They have been to the Antigua in Arizona in the past, but 6-7 hour rounds are not fun.  Our team will be loaded next year.

What part of Florida is your team from ?

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 03:13 PM

View PostGolfSRQ, on 06 October 2018 - 10:54 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 05 October 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

View PostNoles, on 05 October 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 05 October 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Florida regular season and Post season is play 5 count 4 scores.  During regular season, if all coaches agree, they will play 6 and keep 4 scores.  Our school plays primarily in only 18 hole or 36 hole events.   A lot of the 18 hole and 36 hole events are bring 6.  9 hole tournaments are a complete wast of time.  When we do them the coach plays the B team.
Fall or spring season?

Fall

We are actually looking for a tournament or two to travel out of state to play next fall.  They have been to the Antigua in Arizona in the past, but 6-7 hour rounds are not fun.  Our team will be loaded next year.

What part of Florida is your team from ?

South East

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 07:40 AM

View Postcubuffs, on 06 October 2018 - 05:11 AM, said:

View PostNoles, on 05 October 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:

View Postcubuffs, on 05 October 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

Very common from what I have seen - we live in TN, and is in line with collegiate competition.  Not sure the 5-5 analogy works here and from a sheer logistical standpoint, with teams coming together from various regions, you couldn't accommodate having all teams with 6-8 players teeing off especially as daylight is fleeting as the season progresses.

If logistics are an issue, than I would prefer they solved that issue without changing the conditions of the competition.

Still played by the same USGA rules isn't it?

Again, this is only a team competition as it pertains to cumulative score.  It's not as if teams are scheming are setting up situations for the entire team like basketball or baseball.
You already know the answers to those questions, but I don't see what they have to do with the point I am making.  When playing by our regular season rules, teams with more depth have an advantage.  In the postseason, that depth advantage is taken away.  I don't think that one way is better than another, I just would like to see it played the same way in regular season and postseason.

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