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#1 rangersgoalie

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:08 PM

Pick, and stick with a captain.....full time position......I値l pick Duval

One year point list ending 2 weeks before Ryder cup
Top 12 make team...BUT....
Captain gets 4 picks on who to replace from the team.

Playing like a**?  Replaced by someone more reliable
Acting like a**?  Replaced
Gut instinct?     Replace!

Wife a pain in the a**.....same........

Sounds like a reality show


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:11 PM

Pick Jamie Dimon or James Mattis as US captain. Either will knock some sense into some of the egos that are dragging the US team down.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:45 PM

I think every time the US makes a change to the points list, qualifying process, number of picks and the 田ommittee the Euro side just sits back a little farther and laughs a little harder. They are already up by about 2 points for 2020.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:03 PM

Do away with pinstripe pants.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:18 PM

Nothing broken except for the self-absorbed American players.

If the PGA paid those guys to play and gave a bonus for a win - the USA would hold the cup in perpetuity.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:22 PM

Alex, What is playing better?

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:24 PM

Until the US players learn how to not rely on Bomb and Wedge golf, we wont win in Europe, it's that simple. Case in point, look how deep the rough was.
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:39 PM

If a player has a minimum of 10 career matches, must have a 50% Win rate in order to remain "eligible" for future Cups. Either you perform or you forfeit any future spots on the team if you happen to qualify, also prevent you from being a Captain's pick. Harsh, but results should matter in any biennial team event. Maybe Match Play or team events just aren't for you.

Never will happen...but Outside the Box

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:44 PM

View Postapex17, on 04 October 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

Until the US players learn how to not rely on Bomb and Wedge golf, we wont win in Europe, it's that simple. Case in point, look how deep the rough was.

This.  The 2018 Ryder Cup was won the moment Le National was picked as the venue.  

For "home" matches, the U.S. should pick some goat track in Nebraska where you can hit it 3 fairways over and still have a shot at the green.  Zero rough.  We'd win going away!

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:44 PM

A winning captain automatically has the option of returning to be captain of the next team.

Azinger should have been the captain more than once, after his different idea was a success.

Also, regardless of the result,....no precedent on there being a new 'one and done' captain each time

Edited by Cwebb, 04 October 2018 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:45 PM

View PostFerguson, on 04 October 2018 - 02:18 PM, said:

Nothing broken except for the self-absorbed American players.

If the PGA paid those guys to play and gave a bonus for a win - the USA would hold the cup in perpetuity.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:48 PM

There's no out of box fixes, the decline in success of the US team is a combination of the following;
  • The Tours are much more integrated, Europeans compete on the PGA Tour every week, our home course advantage is no longer what it used to be.
  • Americans don't spend much time playing on Euro courses and conditions which creates a big disadvantage for the American team.
  • Euros get fired up when playing Americans even if many live in the US, it's a pride thing.
The Top 30 is no longer just dominated by Americans, so the idea we should win on courses and in course conditions we don't practice or play in is unrealistic.  Our captains picks are honorary, Furyk was selected because of his career not because he's demonstrated great skills in leadership.  In fact I'd argue in order to be a captain, one should be off the PGA Tour for at least 10 years to diminish any potential conflicts of interest.
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:49 PM

Let the top 12 web.com finishers play in it and be done with it.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:59 PM

The "process" and self absorbed selfishness are the issues.  

Why does a winning a Major determine preference in a captain?  If anything that should be a black mark against a captain.   Majors are ME FIRST events.   They make a big thing about Stricker being the first non Major winning American golfer to become captain.   That shouldn't even be in the conversation about capt qualifications and isn't anywhere except ME FIRST America.   Dumbfounding.  

Tiger and Phil on the "committee" is a joke.   So stinkin what if they are the "two best of the generation".  Great.  More ME FIRST attitudes working scenarios for a TEAM event.  Their playing record is embarrassing.  They don't work together. Ever.  Yet they're the ones in charge of success?   Dumbfounding.  

America is ignorant in that regard.    It's dumbfounding, but at the same time not a surprise at all being as that's how America seems to work.
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:17 PM

Make Phil captain, and get all 12 to play in long sleeve shirts.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 04:23 PM

View Postrangersgoalie, on 04 October 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Pick, and stick with a captain.....full time position......I'll pick Duval

One year point list ending 2 weeks before Ryder cup
Top 12 make team...BUT....
Captain gets 4 picks on who to replace from the team.

Playing like a**?  Replaced by someone more reliable
Acting like a**?  Replaced
Gut instinct? Replace!

Wife a pain in the a**.....same........

Sounds like a reality show

Can't have a mandatory captain - what if he sucks ?

6 automatic picks and 6 at large selections made through voting by the 6 automatic picks, captains & vice-captains. Top
6 vote getters added to team.

Ryder Cup points weighted more as we get closer to the matches

No white pants

Mandatory visits to home & opposition course in 3 month prior to matches

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 04:40 PM

View PostFootWedge16, on 04 October 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

Let the top 12 web.com finishers play in it and be done with it.

Was going to post the same thing.  They would be more motivated to make a name for themselves and they don't have the Euro guys as neighbors in Florida who they may have had over their place for a bbq with the wives last month.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 04:45 PM

Some off the wall ideas:

1. Go with an all amateur team.  College kids.  US Amateur champion.  Mid-Am champion.  They're used to playing for things other than money...like American Pride.
2. Grant temporary US citizenship to Jason Dey, Hideki, and Oosthazen.
3. Make it so that all American devices, TVs, and anything with a screen show the movie "Roadhouse" on a constant loop.  Be nice...until it's time not to be nice.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 04:55 PM

View Postdan360, on 04 October 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

The "process" and self absorbed selfishness are the issues.  

Why does a winning a Major determine preference in a captain?  If anything that should be a black mark against a captain.   Majors are ME FIRST events.   They make a big thing about Stricker being the first non Major winning American golfer to become captain.   That shouldn't even be in the conversation about capt qualifications and isn't anywhere except ME FIRST America.   Dumbfounding.  

Tiger and Phil on the "committee" is a joke.   So stinkin what if they are the "two best of the generation".  Great.  More ME FIRST attitudes working scenarios for a TEAM event.  Their playing record is embarrassing.  They don't work together. Ever.  Yet they're the ones in charge of success?   Dumbfounding.  

America is ignorant in that regard. It's dumbfounding, but at the same time not a surprise at all being as that's how America seems to work.

It's all well and good to say don't put arguably best player of all time on your selection committee and the second best player of this entire generation when Europe doesn't have that choice to make.

If Tiger Woods was Irish or British, or Spanish, he'd be on the Euro "Task Force" or whatever they call it. Ryder Cup record be damned. Same with Phil.

Edited by ryanarneson, 04 October 2018 - 04:55 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 05:26 PM

Get them to putt better.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 05:49 PM

View PostGhost of Snead, on 04 October 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:


No white pants


This....
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little white swine!"

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 05:57 PM

Get together on a couple off-weekends during the year and practice Foursomes. Simultaneously you're practicing what it's like to play with your potential, future partner.

aka simulate the Ryder Cup. . . make it a fun event and wager money if you wish.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:00 PM

I'd be curious to know the records of the Euro's who played in all 4 Fedex events compared to those who played in 1,2 or none. Schedule the Ryder Cup before the Fedex Cup. Make the wrap around season the Fedex Cup...or just do away with it.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:03 PM

Require the European players to actually live in Europe.  Most members of their team live in Florida.

I think the Ryder Cup as an exhibition has passed it's expiration date.
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:05 PM

How about playing more in Europe and have a real sense of growing the game WW?

Might be handy to play the course before the event (AKA 3-1 JT).

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:06 PM

View Postdino, on 04 October 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

View PostFootWedge16, on 04 October 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

Let the top 12 web.com finishers play in it and be done with it.

Was going to post the same thing.  They would be more motivated to make a name for themselves and they don't have the Euro guys as neighbors in Florida who they may have had over their place for a bbq with the wives last month.

Sorry, I don't see the logic behind this.

1. The web.com guys would likely get crushed (there is a big talent/skill/experience difference in favor of the current team).

2. Who wants to watch these guys they've never heard of when they could watch Tiger, Phil, Rickie, etc.

3. Where's the evidence that the current team lacks motivation? They seem to care. They get upset enough when they lose to throw each other under the bus : )

Edited by straightshot7, 04 October 2018 - 06:08 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:13 PM

Screw the BFF system.

Play "Beane ball" where analytics rule supreme and a captain with the stones large enough to stand up against the mob.  The analytics would be in place for picking the team which directly coincides with who is on the EU team and the course that has been chosen for the event.  If the venue requires precision off the tee/putting/etc- the analytics will direct the players most suitable.  Before the Playoffs start the pool is cut to 20.  The team is not chosen until after the Tour Championship.  ALL 20 players will travel and attend the Ryder Cup - which will allow the younger guys to be groomed if they barely miss the cut.  Analytics would also be used for pairings once the team is set and the event is in full stream.  The captain should NOT be actively pursuing his career on tour.  If anything the tour should grant said captain exemptions if he so chooses to play competitively again down the road.

The PGA of America also needs to reevaluate current events and course setup.  We keep hearing that some of the older venues are becoming obsolete due to lack property etc to add length...perhaps their eyes have been opened?

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:33 PM

go over the basics of golf ...

"this is a fairway ... the grass is shorter ... it's easier to hit out of the fairway" ... use diagrams and computer programs to repeatedly identify the fairway on a golf hole ... everyone must score 100 before being chosen as a rc player ...

"this is the green ... it's where the hole is located ... it's easier to complete the hole in fewer strokes if you hit the green sooner than your opponent" ... repeat the computer program to identify the green on a golf hole ...

"this is the rough ... it's more difficult to hit out of the rough ... if your opponent hits into the rough before you hit, you need to do whatever it takes to hit the fairway" ... repeat, though with a more complex program that identifies where the rough is and strategy if your opponent hits the rough first ...

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:39 PM

1. Get a captain with an actual brain. Furyk's lapses were mind-boggling. Wild Phil paired in Alt Shot with a RC rookie. Benching two of your best iron players for Alt Shot. Benching one of your hottest players for the afternoon (Finau)? I don't know if it's been reported or not, but I suspect that Furyk decided his pairings on Thu and never changed them. They were deplorable.

2. Make all 12 picks Captains picks. No points system. Let the players show how badly they want to make the team through their actions. Whether that be performing at a high-level in tough fields on the TOUR, going overseas to play some European tracks and show your ability to handle those venues, or simply campaigning to the captain to show you care. The TV networks would hate this though in-case any big name is omitted.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:42 PM

View PostFootWedge16, on 04 October 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

Let the top 12 web.com finishers play in it and be done with it.

How about...

Chuck Norris as Captain, Bill Glasson as Vice Captain

6 players from PGA Tour based on Ryder Cup and World Match Play event records

6 players from Web.com Tour - they would be hungry and happy to be offered this opportunity


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