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Reasons Juniors Get DQ in tournaments


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#1 tiger1873

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:37 AM

I have been looking at results of lots of tournaments and I noticed that sometimes players get DQ. I know Sometimes DQ is just an unfortunate circumstance like starting too soon after a weather delay. But I would think that is an exception rather then rule.  My initial thoughts is most them being DQ were caught cheating by shaving strokes.  What surprises me is I seen some rather high profile juniors this happens to a lot after they move up.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 06:43 AM

Easy to happen. I watch most of the kids standing on the green looking backwards and counting on their fingers. The kids learn to count each shot instead of keeping track where they in relation to par. They get in the cabbage and slash at a few, easy to loose track.
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 07:03 AM

US kids will not DQ a kid almost no matter what unless they committed a big big offense. Most of the time its a 10 on that hole.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 07:31 AM

Friend of ours was DQ'd for signing an incorrect scorecard in a two day national event after the second day.  Parent that was keeping score for him wrote down the wrong number on a hole, he signed off on it, left the scoring table and didn't notice until they posted his score up on the digital scoreboard.  Went back to let them know and took the DQ.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 07:32 AM

View PostBaitkiller, on 04 October 2018 - 06:43 AM, said:

Easy to happen. I watch most of the kids standing on the green looking backwards and counting on their fingers. The kids learn to count each shot instead of keeping track where they in relation to par. They get in the cabbage and slash at a few, easy to loose track.

These are 13-15 year old kids who have been playing for years and are playing in what I would call higher level state tournaments. I don't buy the lost count on each shot and signed wrong card unless it was intentional.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 07:39 AM

View Postleezer99, on 04 October 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

Friend of ours was DQ'd for signing an incorrect scorecard in a two day national event after the second day.  Parent that was keeping score for him wrote down the wrong number on a hole, he signed off on it, left the scoring table and didn't notice until they posted his score up on the digital scoreboard.  Went back to let them know and took the DQ.

In a two day national event the parent has no business taking scores that goes on the score card.  Just the fact they are doing that to me says they should be DQ.   I am assuming that this was an event with no caddies allowed and this was a bigger event?  I can see how that happens in a one day event or any event with a caddie but not a bigger event with older kids.

Edited by tiger1873, 04 October 2018 - 07:44 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 07:52 AM

View Posttiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 07:39 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 04 October 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

Friend of ours was DQ'd for signing an incorrect scorecard in a two day national event after the second day.  Parent that was keeping score for him wrote down the wrong number on a hole, he signed off on it, left the scoring table and didn't notice until they posted his score up on the digital scoreboard.  Went back to let them know and took the DQ.

In a two day national event the parent has no business taking scores that goes on the score card.  Just the fact they are doing that to me says they should be DQ.   I am assuming that this was an event with no caddies allowed and this was a bigger event?  I can see how that happens in a one day event or any event with a caddie but not a bigger event with older kids.

FCG event.  They allow caddies for the 10U groups.

edit: he would have been 2nd alone with the correct score.

Edited by leezer99, 04 October 2018 - 08:16 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:21 AM

I was referring to what I see at middle and high school matches.
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:37 AM

Most of the time it is incorrect score card.  If you aren't at tee boxes 10 minutes before your tee time kids are DQ'd.  Using Slope on a Range finder.

Edited by heavy_hitter, 04 October 2018 - 09:23 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM

At our State Championship, there was no DQ for incorrect scorecard. They actually encouraged signing a scorecard without totals and to let them do the math. You could even change after it was signed. Never seen that before.

My teammate was DQíd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.

At State, they cared about language, pace, and composure. The final paring, which contained the eventual champion and an OSU commit, got a warning for slow pace, Spieth style.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:49 AM

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

At our State Championship, there was no DQ for incorrect scorecard. They actually encouraged signing a scorecard without totals and to let them do the math. You could even change after it was signed. Never seen that before.



If you see your score is wrong after it is posted, it is the player responsibility to report.  Scoring table doesn't care about you adding the final score as they are going to add it again anyway.  Scoring table is to make sure each score on each hole is correct.  It is the scoring tables job to add the score, not the player.

Edited by heavy_hitter, 04 October 2018 - 11:05 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:


My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:03 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

I am not a rules expert, but is DQ even the right penalty for doing that?  I know that once they retee they have to play that ball.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:07 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 04 October 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

I am not a rules expert, but is DQ even the right penalty for doing that?  I know that once they retee they have to play that ball.

DQ is the correct penalty.

He made a stroke at a wrong ball (two stroke penalty). By not correcting his error before teeing off the next hole, it's a DQ.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:35 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:


My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

I believe so. He played the rest of the round, and was not until he beat out his opponent their coach called him on it. Dirty, but correct.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:41 AM

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

I believe so. He played the rest of the round, and was not until he beat out his opponent their coach called him on it. Dirty, but correct.

You can't declare a ball "lost" (well, I guess you can declare anything you want to, but it has no bearing on the rules). The first ball was by definition lost as soon as a stroke was made at the re-teed ball.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 11:07 AM

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

I believe so. He played the rest of the round, and was not until he beat out his opponent their coach called him on it. Dirty, but correct.

Out of curiosity, what did he shoot for the day?

It isn't dirty.  It is the rules.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 11:10 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 04 October 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

I believe so. He played the rest of the round, and was not until he beat out his opponent their coach called him on it. Dirty, but correct.

Out of curiosity, what did he shoot for the day?

It isn't dirty.  It is the rules.

It's sort of an interesting question with respect to sportsmanship; if you, as the fellow competitor, are aware of the situation and understand the penalties, when and how should you bring it up?

When the player "finds" the original "lost" ball?
After they've made a stroke (hence 2 stroke penalty) but before they tee off the next hole, so they have an opportunity to correct it?
After they tee off the next hole, so they're DQ'd immediately?
Wait until the end of the round to break the DQ out?

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 11:17 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 04 October 2018 - 11:10 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 04 October 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

I believe so. He played the rest of the round, and was not until he beat out his opponent their coach called him on it. Dirty, but correct.

Out of curiosity, what did he shoot for the day?

It isn't dirty.  It is the rules.

It's sort of an interesting question with respect to sportsmanship; if you, as the fellow competitor, are aware of the situation and understand the penalties, when and how should you bring it up?

When the player "finds" the original "lost" ball?
After they've made a stroke (hence 2 stroke penalty) but before they tee off the next hole, so they have an opportunity to correct it?
After they tee off the next hole, so they're DQ'd immediately?
Wait until the end of the round to break the DQ out?

Was the coach made aware before the round was over is the question I have. I also believe we are talking about High School Golf.  I think it is safe to say that most high school coaches do not know that the penalty was a DQ.  I didn't know it and would have to look it up.  High School coaches aren't even close to rules officials.  I don't think it was dirty for that reason.  It is just being unaware.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 11:30 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 04 October 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

Was the coach made aware before the round was over is the question I have. I also believe we are talking about High School Golf.  I think it is safe to say that most high school coaches do not know that the penalty was a DQ.  I didn't know it and would have to look it up.  High School coaches aren't even close to rules officials.  I don't think it was dirty for that reason.  It is just being unaware.

I can totally understand how you play out the round, then when you're finalizing your scorecard, everybody's honest about what happened, nobody knows what the correct rule was, and it turns out to be a DQ. Nothing underhanded there.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 07:34 PM

In high school golf I would expect a lot mistakes. What bothers me is a lot kids who won when they were under 12 are the ones getting DQ. Donít know the reason for it but in some cases I wonder if they are just getting caught and have been doing it for years.

Iíve seen some parents do blatant cheating with their kids in the past. Got to think that they eventually get caught.




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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:02 PM

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

In high school golf I would expect a lot mistakes. What bothers me is a lot kids who won when they were under 12 are the ones getting DQ. Don't know the reason for it but in some cases I wonder if they are just getting caught and have been doing it for years.

I've seen some parents do blatant cheating with their kids in the past. Got to think that they eventually get caught.

Good Lord, why even start the thread?

You get a lot of good input and repeatedly just basically say you've made up your mind and it's mostly because of cheating.

Guess that's it then.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:47 PM

 Hawkeye77, on 04 October 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

In high school golf I would expect a lot mistakes. What bothers me is a lot kids who won when they were under 12 are the ones getting DQ. Don't know the reason for it but in some cases I wonder if they are just getting caught and have been doing it for years.

I've seen some parents do blatant cheating with their kids in the past. Got to think that they eventually get caught.

Good Lord, why even start the thread?

You get a lot of good input and repeatedly just basically say you've made up your mind and it's mostly because of cheating.

Guess that's it then.

I started the thread because when I look at results and Look at JGS rankings I see DQ beside some names I been looking at.  I am curious what causes this. In some cases I am sure it simple mistake and there are good examples here. In some cases it good to know the rules  that  anyone could make a mistake and get disqualified.

It also seems like if you see a pattern of  DQ for in tournaments someone in JGS rankings or elsewhere you need to be extra vigilant with them. The great thing is what I am seeing blatant cheating will not get you far in golf and is a minority of players.

Edited by tiger1873, 04 October 2018 - 08:54 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:06 PM

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

 Hawkeye77, on 04 October 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

In high school golf I would expect a lot mistakes. What bothers me is a lot kids who won when they were under 12 are the ones getting DQ. Don't know the reason for it but in some cases I wonder if they are just getting caught and have been doing it for years.

I've seen some parents do blatant cheating with their kids in the past. Got to think that they eventually get caught.

Good Lord, why even start the thread?

You get a lot of good input and repeatedly just basically say you've made up your mind and it's mostly because of cheating.

Guess that's it then.

I started the thread because when I look at results and Look at JGS rankings I see DQ beside some names I been looking at.  I am curious what causes this. In some cases I am sure it simple mistake and there are good examples here. In some cases it good to know the rules  that  anyone could make a mistake and get disqualified.

It also seems like if you see a pattern of  DQ for in tournaments someone in JGS rankings or elsewhere you need to be extra vigilant with them. The great thing is what I am seeing blatant cheating will not get you far in golf and is a minority of players.
I don't know JGS works but is it possible that kids would be posting a high score so they find a way to get DQ'd and then the high score is not posted?  Would that be to their advantage?

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:17 PM

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

 Hawkeye77, on 04 October 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

In high school golf I would expect a lot mistakes. What bothers me is a lot kids who won when they were under 12 are the ones getting DQ. Don't know the reason for it but in some cases I wonder if they are just getting caught and have been doing it for years.

I've seen some parents do blatant cheating with their kids in the past. Got to think that they eventually get caught.

Good Lord, why even start the thread?

You get a lot of good input and repeatedly just basically say you've made up your mind and it's mostly because of cheating.

Guess that's it then.

I started the thread because when I look at results and Look at JGS rankings I see DQ beside some names I been looking at.  I am curious what causes this. In some cases I am sure it simple mistake and there are good examples here. In some cases it good to know the rules  that  anyone could make a mistake and get disqualified.

It also seems like if you see a pattern of  DQ for in tournaments someone in JGS rankings or elsewhere you need to be extra vigilant with them. The great thing is what I am seeing blatant cheating will not get you far in golf and is a minority of players.
Patrick Reed?


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:36 PM

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

 Hawkeye77, on 04 October 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

In high school golf I would expect a lot mistakes. What bothers me is a lot kids who won when they were under 12 are the ones getting DQ. Don't know the reason for it but in some cases I wonder if they are just getting caught and have been doing it for years.

I've seen some parents do blatant cheating with their kids in the past. Got to think that they eventually get caught.

Good Lord, why even start the thread?

You get a lot of good input and repeatedly just basically say you've made up your mind and it's mostly because of cheating.

Guess that's it then.

I started the thread because when I look at results and Look at JGS rankings I see DQ beside some names I been looking at.  I am curious what causes this. In some cases I am sure it simple mistake and there are good examples here. In some cases it good to know the rules  that  anyone could make a mistake and get disqualified.

It also seems like if you see a pattern of  DQ for in tournaments someone in JGS rankings or elsewhere you need to be extra vigilant with them. The great thing is what I am seeing blatant cheating will not get you far in golf and is a minority of players.

Plenty do it on purpose to not post a high score.  They miss their tee time/no show so it doesnít count. Itís not cheating

Edited by iteachgolf, 04 October 2018 - 09:37 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:17 PM

 heavy_hitter, on 04 October 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

 benlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

 DavePelz4, on 04 October 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

 benlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

My teammate was DQ'd from an event earlier in the year because he thought his ball was lost, reteed, found the first one, played it, and got a DQ.


Had he declared the original ball as lost?

I believe so. He played the rest of the round, and was not until he beat out his opponent their coach called him on it. Dirty, but correct.

Out of curiosity, what did he shoot for the day?

It isn't dirty.  It is the rules.

75 or something. I found it low how he waited to post a final score to be called out, though right. Because it was a play-four-take-three tournament it wasnít the end of the world for us, but still wasnít fun.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:24 PM

 heavy_hitter, on 04 October 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:


Was the coach made aware before the round was over is the question I have. I also believe we are talking about High School Golf.  I think it is safe to say that most high school coaches do not know that the penalty was a DQ.  I didn't know it and would have to look it up.  High School coaches aren't even close to rules officials.  I don't think it was dirty for that reason.  It is just being unaware.

I donít know as I was not the coach. Iíd say HS coaches are pretty adequate on their rules knowledge, at least the few Iíve been around. Some are even sticklers about it. Just the other day in the state tournament, I was loged under a pine tree (yes, thatís how the round went), and was informed by my playing partners coach that if I were to cause one needle to fall whilst testing my backswing he would call me for a penalty, before I even stepped up to my ball. Anything to gain a stroke or two I guess, even if it goes to lengths of ruining a kids tournament by some unknown rule.

And no, I did not cause any needles to fall, and did not incure a penalty.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 06:23 AM

 benlenahan, on 04 October 2018 - 10:24 PM, said:

 heavy_hitter, on 04 October 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:


Was the coach made aware before the round was over is the question I have. I also believe we are talking about High School Golf.  I think it is safe to say that most high school coaches do not know that the penalty was a DQ.  I didn't know it and would have to look it up.  High School coaches aren't even close to rules officials.  I don't think it was dirty for that reason.  It is just being unaware.

I don’t know as I was not the coach. I’d say HS coaches are pretty adequate on their rules knowledge, at least the few I’ve been around. Some are even sticklers about it. Just the other day in the state tournament, I was loged under a pine tree (yes, that’s how the round went), and was informed by my playing partners coach that if I were to cause one needle to fall whilst testing my backswing he would call me for a penalty, before I even stepped up to my ball. Anything to gain a stroke or two I guess, even if it goes to lengths of ruining a kids tournament by some unknown rule.

And no, I did not cause any needles to fall, and did not incure a penalty.

Why would needles falling cause you to have a penalty?

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 06:25 AM

 iteachgolf, on 04 October 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

 Hawkeye77, on 04 October 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

 tiger1873, on 04 October 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

In high school golf I would expect a lot mistakes. What bothers me is a lot kids who won when they were under 12 are the ones getting DQ. Don't know the reason for it but in some cases I wonder if they are just getting caught and have been doing it for years.

I've seen some parents do blatant cheating with their kids in the past. Got to think that they eventually get caught.

Good Lord, why even start the thread?

You get a lot of good input and repeatedly just basically say you've made up your mind and it's mostly because of cheating.

Guess that's it then.

I started the thread because when I look at results and Look at JGS rankings I see DQ beside some names I been looking at.  I am curious what causes this. In some cases I am sure it simple mistake and there are good examples here. In some cases it good to know the rules  that  anyone could make a mistake and get disqualified.

It also seems like if you see a pattern of  DQ for in tournaments someone in JGS rankings or elsewhere you need to be extra vigilant with them. The great thing is what I am seeing blatant cheating will not get you far in golf and is a minority of players.

Plenty do it on purpose to not post a high score.  They miss their tee time/no show so it doesn’t count. It’s not cheating

JGS changed that rule.  If you shoot a 95 day 1 and no show they still post the 95.  That is why you see a lot of No Cards now.  Kid will score high and just not show up to the scorers table with their card.


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