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#61 BiggErn

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:15 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 08 October 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

Definitely agree with the zoysia greens. Like putting on Velcro.  I’m guessing you have played River Falls ?  I despise those greens.  Flat but I never make anything on that course.  And pitches etc are so inconsistent.  One may roll out and next one backs up.


Oh yea it’s just down the road, I live in Duncan. As zoysia greens go they have gotten better but still not great. The course actually use to be nice many years ago but it’s dropped off and leveled out as just a decent change of pace course. I actually don’t play there that much maybe a handful of times a year. Willow creek, Woodfin, village greens, and Cherokee valley are courses I probably play the most but I pretty much play all over the area and rarely play the same source twice a month. If you want to play terrible zoysia greens go play Greer.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:33 AM

View PostBiggErn, on 08 October 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 October 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

Definitely agree with the zoysia greens. Like putting on Velcro.  Iím guessing you have played River Falls ?  I despise those greens.  Flat but I never make anything on that course.  And pitches etc are so inconsistent.  One may roll out and next one backs up.


Oh yea itís just down the road, I live in Duncan. As zoysia greens go they have gotten better but still not great. The course actually use to be nice many years ago but itís dropped off and leveled out as just a decent change of pace course. I actually donít play there that much maybe a handful of times a year. Willow creek, Woodfin, village greens, and Cherokee valley are courses I probably play the most but I pretty much play all over the area and rarely play the same source twice a month. If you want to play terrible zoysia greens go play Greer.

Good grief Charlie Brown !   I live just north of Inman. Play from village ... play woodfin and three pines ( when I can get on ) and pebble creek a lot also .   Village is the current hard as a brick fairways I'm talking about.   Small world.  

Back to the point , I agree with you on the theory that course shouldnít dictate which irons to play.  And likely the feedback Iím gettjng isnít all bad. Just different than what Iím used to.  Iím still working on them.  Iím around 10 Days in. But Iím pretty impatient.  If I start changing my swing to try to hit steeper and steeper on these to try to take a divot Iíll ditch them fast.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:09 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 09 October 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 08 October 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 October 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

Definitely agree with the zoysia greens. Like putting on Velcro.  I’m guessing you have played River Falls ?  I despise those greens.  Flat but I never make anything on that course.  And pitches etc are so inconsistent.  One may roll out and next one backs up.


Oh yea it’s just down the road, I live in Duncan. As zoysia greens go they have gotten better but still not great. The course actually use to be nice many years ago but it’s dropped off and leveled out as just a decent change of pace course. I actually don’t play there that much maybe a handful of times a year. Willow creek, Woodfin, village greens, and Cherokee valley are courses I probably play the most but I pretty much play all over the area and rarely play the same source twice a month. If you want to play terrible zoysia greens go play Greer.

Good grief Charlie Brown !   I live just north of Inman. Play from village ... play woodfin and three pines ( when I can get on ) and pebble creek a lot also .   Village is the current hard as a brick fairways I'm talking about.   Small world.  

Back to the point , I agree with you on the theory that course shouldn’t dictate which irons to play.  And likely the feedback I’m gettjng isn’t all bad. Just different than what I’m used to.  I’m still working on them.  I’m around 10 Days in. But I’m pretty impatient.  If I start changing my swing to try to hit steeper and steeper on these to try to take a divot I’ll ditch them fast.


I would have never guessed village as the brick hard fairways. They’re not great but usually pretty decent. I haven’t played there in about 3 months though. I do like those grainy greens. Haven’t played Pebble Creek in over 10 years (whichever course they let the public play) and only played 3 pines once a few years ago even tough I know a few members. Back to village, that forced lay up area on 18 is usually far from firm.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:47 AM

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:51 AM

View PostBiggErn, on 09 October 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 09 October 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 08 October 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 October 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

Definitely agree with the zoysia greens. Like putting on Velcro.  I’m guessing you have played River Falls ?  I despise those greens.  Flat but I never make anything on that course.  And pitches etc are so inconsistent.  One may roll out and next one backs up.


Oh yea it’s just down the road, I live in Duncan. As zoysia greens go they have gotten better but still not great. The course actually use to be nice many years ago but it’s dropped off and leveled out as just a decent change of pace course. I actually don’t play there that much maybe a handful of times a year. Willow creek, Woodfin, village greens, and Cherokee valley are courses I probably play the most but I pretty much play all over the area and rarely play the same source twice a month. If you want to play terrible zoysia greens go play Greer.

Good grief Charlie Brown !   I live just north of Inman. Play from village ... play woodfin and three pines ( when I can get on ) and pebble creek a lot also .   Village is the current hard as a brick fairways I'm talking about.   Small world.  

Back to the point , I agree with you on the theory that course shouldn’t dictate which irons to play.  And likely the feedback I’m gettjng isn’t all bad. Just different than what I’m used to.  I’m still working on them.  I’m around 10 Days in. But I’m pretty impatient.  If I start changing my swing to try to hit steeper and steeper on these to try to take a divot I’ll ditch them fast.


I would have never guessed village as the brick hard fairways. They’re not great but usually pretty decent. I haven’t played there in about 3 months though. I do like those grainy greens. Haven’t played Pebble Creek in over 10 years (whichever course they let the public play) and only played 3 pines once a few years ago even tough I know a few members. Back to village, that forced lay up area on 18 is usually far from firm.
Can y'all actually take divots at the courses you play?

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:09 AM

View PostThinkingPlus, on 09 October 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 09 October 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 09 October 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 08 October 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 October 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

Definitely agree with the zoysia greens. Like putting on Velcro.  Iím guessing you have played River Falls ?  I despise those greens.  Flat but I never make anything on that course.  And pitches etc are so inconsistent.  One may roll out and next one backs up.


Oh yea itís just down the road, I live in Duncan. As zoysia greens go they have gotten better but still not great. The course actually use to be nice many years ago but itís dropped off and leveled out as just a decent change of pace course. I actually donít play there that much maybe a handful of times a year. Willow creek, Woodfin, village greens, and Cherokee valley are courses I probably play the most but I pretty much play all over the area and rarely play the same source twice a month. If you want to play terrible zoysia greens go play Greer.

Good grief Charlie Brown !   I live just north of Inman. Play from village ... play woodfin and three pines ( when I can get on ) and pebble creek a lot also .   Village is the current hard as a brick fairways I'm talking about.   Small world.  

Back to the point , I agree with you on the theory that course shouldnít dictate which irons to play.  And likely the feedback Iím gettjng isnít all bad. Just different than what Iím used to.  Iím still working on them.  Iím around 10 Days in. But Iím pretty impatient.  If I start changing my swing to try to hit steeper and steeper on these to try to take a divot Iíll ditch them fast.


I would have never guessed village as the brick hard fairways. Theyíre not great but usually pretty decent. I havenít played there in about 3 months though. I do like those grainy greens. Havenít played Pebble Creek in over 10 years (whichever course they let the public play) and only played 3 pines once a few years ago even tough I know a few members. Back to village, that forced lay up area on 18 is usually far from firm.
Can y'all actually take divots at the courses you play?

With a wedge and either of the MB sets I own yes.  With the i500. Eh. Up to a 6 iron sort of.  Doesnít cut a divot that flies. But will leave a divot of sorts if that makes sense.  Long irons though. Not.  I just practiced at my home range after all night rain. And barely getting a 6 iron to cut. Swap to the blades and after a couple swings to shallow out Iím pounding the sweet spot.  

I want to love these irons. But I cannot get used to the lob irons. And im historically a good long iron player whoís always carried at least a 3 if not 2 iron id hit off the deck.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:11 AM

View PostBiggErn, on 09 October 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 09 October 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 08 October 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 October 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

Definitely agree with the zoysia greens. Like putting on Velcro.  Iím guessing you have played River Falls ?  I despise those greens.  Flat but I never make anything on that course.  And pitches etc are so inconsistent.  One may roll out and next one backs up.


Oh yea itís just down the road, I live in Duncan. As zoysia greens go they have gotten better but still not great. The course actually use to be nice many years ago but itís dropped off and leveled out as just a decent change of pace course. I actually donít play there that much maybe a handful of times a year. Willow creek, Woodfin, village greens, and Cherokee valley are courses I probably play the most but I pretty much play all over the area and rarely play the same source twice a month. If you want to play terrible zoysia greens go play Greer.

Good grief Charlie Brown !   I live just north of Inman. Play from village ... play woodfin and three pines ( when I can get on ) and pebble creek a lot also .   Village is the current hard as a brick fairways I'm talking about.   Small world.  

Back to the point , I agree with you on the theory that course shouldnít dictate which irons to play.  And likely the feedback Iím gettjng isnít all bad. Just different than what Iím used to.  Iím still working on them.  Iím around 10 Days in. But Iím pretty impatient.  If I start changing my swing to try to hit steeper and steeper on these to try to take a divot Iíll ditch them fast.


I would have never guessed village as the brick hard fairways. Theyíre not great but usually pretty decent. I havenít played there in about 3 months though. I do like those grainy greens. Havenít played Pebble Creek in over 10 years (whichever course they let the public play) and only played 3 pines once a few years ago even tough I know a few members. Back to village, that forced lay up area on 18 is usually far from firm.

Yep 18 is maybe the best spot.    8 ,1, and 4 were like runways last week.  10 and 12 were hard on the back too.  Even 16 up the hill has been rock hard.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:34 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 09 October 2018 - 09:09 AM, said:

View PostThinkingPlus, on 09 October 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

Can y'all actually take divots at the courses you play?

With a wedge and either of the MB sets I own yes.  With the i500. Eh. Up to a 6 iron sort of.  Doesn't cut a divot that flies. But will leave a divot of sorts if that makes sense.  Long irons though. Not.  I just practiced at my home range after all night rain. And barely getting a 6 iron to cut. Swap to the blades and after a couple swings to shallow out I'm pounding the sweet spot.  

I want to love these irons. But I cannot get used to the lob irons. And im historically a good long iron player who's always carried at least a 3 if not 2 iron id hit off the deck.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:09 AM

working on the 6 iron alone at the moment.... bumped another degree strong ( over retro lofts) and 2 more degrees upright ....plus added enough lead tape to bring it up another swingweight point and poof...middled ....time and time again with a serviceable divot....  I guess ill go down to the 7 and then work my way back up 1 at a time as i have time to get these tuned....  Love the fact that ill have an i500 set wearing 3 ft of lead tape...lol
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 03:06 PM

View Postroundersmitty, on 02 October 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

Want less bounce bend the lofts strong. Want more bounce bend the irons weaker.

Bending irons strong increases offset. May not bother some, but it is very visible and annoying to me.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:43 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 09 October 2018 - 09:11 AM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 09 October 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 09 October 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 08 October 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 October 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

Definitely agree with the zoysia greens. Like putting on Velcro.  I’m guessing you have played River Falls ?  I despise those greens.  Flat but I never make anything on that course.  And pitches etc are so inconsistent.  One may roll out and next one backs up.


Oh yea it’s just down the road, I live in Duncan. As zoysia greens go they have gotten better but still not great. The course actually use to be nice many years ago but it’s dropped off and leveled out as just a decent change of pace course. I actually don’t play there that much maybe a handful of times a year. Willow creek, Woodfin, village greens, and Cherokee valley are courses I probably play the most but I pretty much play all over the area and rarely play the same source twice a month. If you want to play terrible zoysia greens go play Greer.

Good grief Charlie Brown !   I live just north of Inman. Play from village ... play woodfin and three pines ( when I can get on ) and pebble creek a lot also .   Village is the current hard as a brick fairways I'm talking about.   Small world.  

Back to the point , I agree with you on the theory that course shouldn’t dictate which irons to play.  And likely the feedback I’m gettjng isn’t all bad. Just different than what I’m used to.  I’m still working on them.  I’m around 10 Days in. But I’m pretty impatient.  If I start changing my swing to try to hit steeper and steeper on these to try to take a divot I’ll ditch them fast.


I would have never guessed village as the brick hard fairways. They’re not great but usually pretty decent. I haven’t played there in about 3 months though. I do like those grainy greens. Haven’t played Pebble Creek in over 10 years (whichever course they let the public play) and only played 3 pines once a few years ago even tough I know a few members. Back to village, that forced lay up area on 18 is usually far from firm.

Yep 18 is maybe the best spot.    8 ,1, and 4 were like runways last week.  10 and 12 were hard on the back too.  Even 16 up the hill has been rock hard.

For non irrigated fairways they’re usually pretty acceptable. Like you said 4 can be somewhat ragged. 7 is usually dicey. I hate 8 but the fairway is usually ok, can’t imagine it too firm and fast or you’d be in the pond unless you layed way back. I usually drive over the creek on 16 and just take whatever lie I get if I’m not in the fairway.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 10:41 PM

Would the V-Sole on the 565s or 585s help with this issue?

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 01:41 AM

Lots of discussion without many iron suggestions...

The idea to go with a Mizuno iron for lower bounce is a good one, but here's the thing; older Mizuno SGI type irons were actually better for what you're looking for.  Find a set of Mizuno MX-19 or, better yet, MX-17 irons (as long as you're not playing in any USGA sanctioned events as these clubs do not conform to the 2010 groove rule change).

I have both the MX-19 and MX-17 sets and these are EXACTLY what you're looking for.  Yeah, they're much older, but they have really low VCOG, super low bounce (especially the MX-17), and sharper leading edges on wider soles.

And here's the surprising thing, they absolutely feel better than Mizuno's modern SGI offerings; JPX-800 through the JPX-900 HM.  I kid you not.  Mizuno had this kind of "power bar" thing going on behind the impact area on the face combined with a deep cavity design.  These MX-19 and MX-17 irons feel fantastic when pured and do not "hide" mishits nearly as much as their more modern equivalents.  You will know where on the face you're hitting these irons.  Yes, they have crazy thick top lines, and more offset (but not a crazy amount), but these clubs really perform when it comes to scoring if you have a less than perfect swing.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:43 PM

I found the V Soles were more of a help out of the light rough than hard pan.

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Would the V-Sole on the 565s or 585s help with this issue?

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