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Graphite vs Steel Shafts for Irons


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#1 Invisible-z

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 10:28 PM

I was told to give graphic iron shafts a try.
My 6 iron carries 180 yards.
I use PX6.0 (120g)
The graphite shafts are between 80-95g... isn't that too light for irons or am I missing something?


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#2 Stuart G.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 02:39 AM

View PostInvisible-z, on 01 October 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

I was told to give graphic iron shafts a try.
My 6 iron carries 180 yards.
I use PX6.0 (120g)
The graphite shafts are between 80-95g... isn't that too light for irons or am I missing something?

Graphite iron shafts are available in weights from the 60 gm range all the way up to 125-130 gm range.

But yes, shaft weight can be very important, if the PX6.0's are a good fit for you, then going too light could potentially cause problems (but you'll never at what point it will be "too light" until you try some of the various options).

Who told you that you should play graphite and why?    Most in your swing speed range who switch do so because of some chronic pain issues they want help dealing with - although a few have switched because they tried and just happened to really like one of the heavier options available (Steelfiber, Recoil, etc..).

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 04:20 AM

take a look at c-tabor  lite steel (kbs)

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 06:23 AM

Based on your 6 iron carry and your current setup I do not see why you would consider graphite shafts. .

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 06:53 AM

Even for newer lofts thats not bad for 6 iron carry.


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 08:01 AM

OP, don’t know your age so don’t know if this is pertinent or not. But last year I really noticed that it was taking a lot of effort to get results from my 6.0’s, it felt like they weren’t working for me, but the other way around. I switched pretty dramatically, to Project X LZ’s. It’s made a world of difference.

Not graphite,  but the weight was definitely a game changer for me. Obviously, YMMV��
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Posted 02 October 2018 - 08:12 AM

Unless they are looking for lighter weight shafts, most people seem to switch to graphite in their irons with specific goal of obtaining pain relief and reduced risk of exacerbating injuries due to the fact that graphite tends to reduce shock/vibration better than steel. Given that graphite shafts now come in heavier weights and stiffer, more reliable profiles, you can switch to graphite without necessarily losing any performance versus steel.

However, if you don't have any particular injury issues and don't want to try a lighter weight shaft, I don't know if there is a reason for you to consider switching to graphite, other than just being something interesting and new to try. Although, given that there are a couple of PGA pros and players on other tours using Steelfibers, there are some very good players who believe graphite shafts have some nice benefits.
Cobra King F7 (Kuro Kage Silver TiNi DC 60)
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Posted 02 October 2018 - 09:41 AM

I had graphite shafts recommended to reduce wear and tear on my hands and arms. I almost bought Mizuno Hot Metals with a Recoil 95 stiff last week, but they did not out perform my Ping G30s with stiff steel, and they didn't feel as good. To me, the feel with steel is a heavier hit, and the graphite feel is just not as solid. I have Pro Soft inserts in my shafts, and while they might not absorb as much shock as graphite, they feel good.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 09:59 AM

View PostInvisible-z, on 01 October 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

I was told to give graphic iron shafts a try.
My 6 iron carries 180 yards.
I use PX6.0 (120g)
The graphite shafts are between 80-95g... isn't that too light for irons or am I missing something?

Graphite could be too light, but it all depends upon how you swing - how you load the shaft.

Matt Kuchar is playing 95 gram Steelfibers, as are a few other pros.

I have tried Steelfibers and I couldn't find the sweet spot with any consistency, so I am back to playing Nippon at about 108 grams.  They work, a lot of other shafts that I have tried don't.

You will have to figure this one out for yourself.  Buy a 6-iron with a good graphite shaft and see if it works out.
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Posted 02 October 2018 - 04:36 PM

I have he Recoil 110 in my 3 and 2 iron utility, and it performs very well.

Weight is an issue, even now I struggle with the Project X LZ 5.5 which is 115 grams.

I do prefer my S300 AMT at times.

Edited by Chuck905, 02 October 2018 - 04:37 PM.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 08:26 PM

Take a look at the Fujikura Pro iron shafts.  There is a user trial going on this board that should give you some good feedback from a heavier graphite shaft perspective.

The one thing I really love about the Fujikura’s is the design makes it easy to get swing weights set to what you are used to seeing in steel shafts.  I REALLY like them and as I’m getting older am switching over to them.

I compared them to KBS TGI, SteelFibers and Accra I-series.  The thing I noticed the most was the reproducibility of distances and dispersion.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 08:53 PM

I went from steel to graphite and used them for a couple of years. I eventually moved to Steelefiber 95’s and they are a great match.
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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:02 PM

I’d look at either the Fujikura Pro TS 95 or 115 shafts. They are super stable and play like steel. I’d also look into KBS TGI shafts. Mike Shey swears by them.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:14 PM

As a longtime graphite iron shaft player on paper I would think thatís too light coming from a stout PX 6.0. I probabaly wouldnít go below 110grís and even then be aware of overall weight. BB
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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:41 PM

View Postcaniac6, on 02 October 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

I had graphite shafts recommended to reduce wear and tear on my hands and arms. I almost bought Mizuno Hot Metals with a Recoil 95 stiff last week, but they did not out perform my Ping G30s with stiff steel, and they didn't feel as good. To me, the feel with steel is a heavier hit, and the graphite feel is just not as solid. I have Pro Soft inserts in my shafts, and while they might not absorb as much shock as graphite, they feel good.

I've got Prosofts inside my Recoil 95's and LOVE them.  I'm getting older and have lots of aches and pains.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 05:49 AM

I recently made the switch from steel to graphite. Specifically Matrix Program 130ís. I really like the shafts. No mre elbow pains ( why I switched ). I ve gained a club of distance also as a bonus but that wasent why I did it. I settled on the Programs because i liked the  high launch and increased spin which is what I needed. They are smooth and I can easily flight the ball down ( I hit a low ball anyway so low for me is really low for others). I do still play KBS 610 shafts in wedges as I havent found a graphite wedge shaft that I like in the wedges yet that allows me to fliht the ball down like the 610ís. The 610ís are stuffed with round foam insulation ( just like prosoft) i got a hardwaee store. I dont regret getting them at all. Be aware though that the Programs are extremely difficult to swing weight die to the high balance point. I just used lead tape on the heads which i like. They come out to C 4-5 which I like. I would get one or two different shafts and build up a club or two and test them. Dont be afraid to look at some less expensive options as well. I tried a few ď off brandsĒ and had success but nothing surpassed the programs for me. There are some very good graphite shafts on market that dont cost arm and a leg. Check out Xcallibur and Diamond tour golf site. Good hunting

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 10:08 AM

View PostNessism, on 03 October 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

View Postcaniac6, on 02 October 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

  I'm getting older and have lots of aches and pains.

Graphite, ProSerts & pills{in my case}

I know that routine....and no more heading to the 1st tee without warm up--big negative

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:59 AM

I have played graphite iron shafts for several years and here is my take on switching.

If you want to switch to graphite to add distance, don't do it! Your 6i distance is a bit longer than mine and you WILL NOT be happy with a lighter graphite shaft in your irons and that is what all fitters will recommend in an attempt to add distance.

If you are suffering from hand, elbow and/or shoulder pain, switch immediately to a graphite shaft in the same weight as your steel shafts. You WILL NOT be sorry! I recommend Recoil Proto 125, SteelFiber i125, Fujikura Pro 115 or Accra iSeries 125.

The key to finding a graphite irons shaft that feels comparable to your steel shafts is making sure the torque is similar. Steel iron shaft torque is usually 1.5* - 2* max. Graphite can be up in the 3*+ range which will make the shaft "feel" softer. This doesn't go well with most strong players. The Shafts I mention above have torque measurements more similar to steel. However, the feel of graphite will never be exactly like steel because of the vibration dampening, but they can be very close when properly matched. My 6i distance is 175 and I play Recoil Proto 125 F4 (S) straight in my MP25s.

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Edited by Ri_Redneck, 11 October 2018 - 10:16 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:31 AM

Love my Recoil 110s, play pretty much same as my KBS TourV though a bit less harsh on off center strikes, which is why I went to them.  Been playing them for about 3 years now, was originally for winter (cold weather) use but became my year round.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:36 AM

After years of playing Steelfibers every single time I stray to steel Iím disappointed. Thereís simply no comparison, graphite is now superior.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 02:26 PM

I went from PX 6.0 to sreelfibre i110, love the feel and performance, same flight and distance as PX for me except better shock absorption for my elbow.
Had to have the swingweights adjusted to play to stock swingweight

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 11:47 PM

I have the Fuji pro ts 115 irons shafts and they are extremely stable and perform very well. Much better than the steel fiber, recoil, etc. best graphite iron shaft for higher swing speeds.

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