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#31 heavy_hitter

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 11:09 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 02 October 2018 - 10:20 AM, said:

View Posttiger1873, on 02 October 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

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View Postraynorfan1, on 02 October 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

I can't speak for anybody by my own kids and their friends. At our club, there are two events the kids care about: the Parent/Child Tournament (which has always been abig deal in the club) and D/C/P.

My daughters will probably never play in junior tournaments. They'll probably not play in high school or college. They work on their game to play in D/C/P and that one tournament. They play golf to have fun and hopefully will for the rest of their lives. That's growing the game.

We're not all trying to make (L)PGA tour players out of our kids...

To me, that isn't growing the game at all.

I'm missing something.

Introducing young people to a game that they will love and play for the rest of their lives - albeit probably not competitively beyond the club level - is the  my definition of "growing" the game.

Have you ever been to a DCP local qualifying event? I have and every time I see the same thing. The same group of kids who play regularly the local tournaments are there and a group of kids who I don't know and from the looks of it has just picked up a club.

Usually these new kids have grandparents having around telling them how good they are. Then the competition begins and they usually have no shot against kids who actually play. Some do get luckier then other but most of them lose pretty bad they are usually shocked to see other kids outdrive their kids 2 to 1. The worst is sometimes those kids actually cry.  You almost always see the grandparents slink away never to seen again.

That is not a good introduction to junior golf. The only tournament I ever seen worse was a top golf tournament that put 6 year olds against 14 year olds and called it a tournament.

9 hole US Kids tournaments are much better experience. For new kids I would love to see more team format with scrambles out there so it not as much pressure. Years ago I played this format with my kids and it really took a lot pressure off everyone.


My daughter got smoked out of local qualifying last year - outdriven 2 to 1 by the best players. But she had fun and is excited to try again next year. When our club hosted the regional qualifying a few months after she got bounced out of the local event, she could not have been more excited to go to the club and cheer the other kids on.

This is the point.  She isn't excited to play tomorrow, she is excited for 9 shots next year.  Introducing a kid to 9 shots is not introducing them to the game.


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 11:29 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 02 October 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 02 October 2018 - 09:30 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 02 October 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

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I can't speak for anybody by my own kids and their friends. At our club, there are two events the kids care about: the Parent/Child Tournament (which has always been abig deal in the club) and D/C/P.

My daughters will probably never play in junior tournaments. They'll probably not play in high school or college. They work on their game to play in D/C/P and that one tournament. They play golf to have fun and hopefully will for the rest of their lives. That's growing the game.

We're not all trying to make (L)PGA tour players out of our kids...

To me, that isn't growing the game at all.

I'm missing something.

Introducing young people to a game that they will love and play for the rest of their lives - albeit probably not competitively beyond the club level - is the  my definition of "growing" the game.

You aren't introducing them to the game.  You are introducing them to a 3 drives, 3 chips, and 3 putts.  It would be like taking a kid to a batting cage once a year for 5 minutes and say that you introduced them to baseball.  It isn't even close.  Introducing them to the game would be spending money to help with local tournaments and lessons.

I disagree with this.  This is a good start for many kids.  All kids start the game of golf by hitting some balls at a range or putting, this just builds upon that. If your kid is elite, then it's probably not the best option. Playing in an actual tournament is intimidating to some and dcp is a low-key way to see if golf is enjoyable.  To a point made earlier it may not grow junior golf tournaments, but it can grow the game of golf which means less golf courses closing due to low use.  By definition, more people playing means growing the game of golf.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 12:38 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 02 October 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

You aren't introducing them to the game.  You are introducing them to a 3 drives, 3 chips, and 3 putts.  It would be like taking a kid to a batting cage once a year for 5 minutes and say that you introduced them to baseball.  It isn't even close.  Introducing them to the game would be spending money to help with local tournaments and lessons.

I think you're too wrapped up in the competition itself. My kids come out and practice and play golf so that they can participate in D/C/P.

I suppose there are parents out there who focus their kids on just those three skills / events because they're so focused on "winning".

"Winning" D/C/P to me is getting my kids excited about being out on the course practicing. I don't really care how they do in the actual competition.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 01:18 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 02 October 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 02 October 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

You aren't introducing them to the game.  You are introducing them to a 3 drives, 3 chips, and 3 putts.  It would be like taking a kid to a batting cage once a year for 5 minutes and say that you introduced them to baseball.  It isn't even close.  Introducing them to the game would be spending money to help with local tournaments and lessons.

I think you're too wrapped up in the competition itself. My kids come out and practice and play golf so that they can participate in D/C/P.

I suppose there are parents out there who focus their kids on just those three skills / events because they're so focused on "winning".

"Winning" D/C/P to me is getting my kids excited about being out on the course practicing. I don't really care how they do in the actual competition.

I think the reason a lot us don't like DCP is around april  through may all I hear from old guys on the range  or the course is boy your daughter should be on DCP because she can really hit that ball and then go on to tell me about kids they seen on TV that couldn't hit as far. Not too many of them know that the driving portion is the least important as far scores go.   Even the putting and chipping portions are flawed because usually the odds at making in the hole are actually very low for even the best players.  


Over the years I simply learned that who makes it to Augusta is very random because it really is luck once you pass the locals.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 01:26 PM

If I thought that the point of D/C/P was to identify a set of elite junior golfers, I would 100% agree that it's a poor approach. To HeavyHitter's comments - it's 9 shots, in controlled conditions, that don't have a ton of relevancy to playing tournament golf. If we were picking the Ryder Cup team based on D/C/P results...that would suck (but maybe not have a worse outcome...).

If you think the point is to get kids out on the course and range enthusiastically working on their skills, regardless of outcome, I think it's a big win. Where it falls apart IMHO is when guys are telling their kids that "if you work hard enough, you'll make it to Augusta" - there's too much randomness in the format.


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 01:30 PM

Drive, Chip and Putt has put more eyes on Junior Golf than any local tour ever would.  It amazes me how many people like to complain about how other people spend their money or where a company chose's to make charitable donations.  The snow and cold must be just around the corner and golf season coming to a close........

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 01:40 PM

I can’t be the only a-hole thinking, “took you all weekend to come up with that?”

I would only offer this. Consider what USGA and PGA of America also give to Get Golf Ready, Special Olympics, First Tee, AJGA and PGA Junior League Golf for context.

You’re talking about DCP as if it exists in a vacuum. And your title about ruining Golf is asinine. And from your post seems pretty clear you don’t even believe that.

Oh and your comment about the PGA Tour giving that amount to DCP...also incorrect. It’s the PGA of America.

In sum, you’re misrepresenting the issue badly.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 01:48 PM

I don't know anything about Drive Chip Putt

I am trying to understand why "growing the game of golf" is important

Where I live outside NYC if you play on a public muni course 18 holes is a minimum 5 hours

On some parts of Long Island I heard 6 hours are typical

Many parents say their kids lose interest because it is so slow

It seems if golf were less popular among the hoi polloi rounds would be much faster

And it might actually be better for the players who are committed to competing and playing at a high level

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 02:09 PM

Let's look at the negative impact on Lucy Li from D/C/P.

Youngest qualifier for the Women's US AM.

Youngest qualifier for the USWO.

On the winning 2016 Junior Ryder Cup team.

She was the low AM in the 2017 ANA Inspirational.

On the winning 2017 Junior Solheim Cup.

Qualified for the 2018 USWO.

Played on the 2018 Curtis Cup team.

On the winning 2018 Junior Ryder Cup team.

The poor girl clearly lost her passion for playing after D/C/P or did the competition fuel her to get to a higher level?  She's probably not a fan of popsicles, anymore either.

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 07:58 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 02 October 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I don't know anything about Drive Chip Putt

I am trying to understand why "growing the game of golf" is important

Where I live outside NYC if you play on a public muni course 18 holes is a minimum 5 hours

On some parts of Long Island I heard 6 hours are typical

Many parents say their kids lose interest because it is so slow

It seems if golf were less popular among the hoi polloi rounds would be much faster

And it might actually be better for the players who are committed to competing and playing at a high level

Your strategy and thoughts are (in my experience) what the vast majority of older golfers think but don’t say. And no, I’m not calling YOU old. I don’t care what your age is.

And, like those people, you’re being phenomenally myopic.

To demonstrate, does it make sense if I say, “God this McDonald’s drive thru is always packed!!! I wish they had a bunch fewer customers, then it would be much better.”  

No, then the McDonalds is GONE. Or during down times they close the franchisee’s other location that this one was Propping up. OR...the price on your McDouble is now $3 I stead of $2. And you’re complaining more.

If you don’t care about “growing the game,” that’s fine. But at least he honest and say you want what’s good for YOU, not for golf.

And don’t ever open your mouth about preserving the history of the game or the honor of the game, etc. Because you don’t care.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:10 AM

View Postdmac4g, on 02 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Drive, Chip and Putt has put more eyes on Junior Golf than any local tour ever would.  It amazes me how many people like to complain about how other people spend their money or where a company chose's to make charitable donations.  The snow and cold must be just around the corner and golf season coming to a close........

This is where you are wrong.  The DCP only has eyes on the event because of the Master's.  People aren't tuning in to watch the DCP.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:20 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View Postdmac4g, on 02 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Drive, Chip and Putt has put more eyes on Junior Golf than any local tour ever would.  It amazes me how many people like to complain about how other people spend their money or where a company chose's to make charitable donations.  The snow and cold must be just around the corner and golf season coming to a close........

This is where you are wrong.  The DCP only has eyes on the event because of the Master's.  People aren't tuning in to watch the DCP.

I watch it and it has nothing to do with the Masters.  Having coached kids in baseball for 25 years, I enjoy watching them try to do their best on a big stage.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:22 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 03 October 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View Postdmac4g, on 02 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Drive, Chip and Putt has put more eyes on Junior Golf than any local tour ever would.  It amazes me how many people like to complain about how other people spend their money or where a company chose's to make charitable donations.  The snow and cold must be just around the corner and golf season coming to a close........

This is where you are wrong.  The DCP only has eyes on the event because of the Master's.  People aren't tuning in to watch the DCP.

I watch it and it has nothing to do with the Masters.  Having coached kids in baseball for 25 years, I enjoy watching them try to do their best on a big stage.

You have to be kidding.  It's boring watching my own kid during DCP, I can't imagine it's more entertaining watching other people's kids.  We even know some past winners and didn't watch those years they were on.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:25 AM

View Postleezer99, on 03 October 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 03 October 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View Postdmac4g, on 02 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Drive, Chip and Putt has put more eyes on Junior Golf than any local tour ever would.  It amazes me how many people like to complain about how other people spend their money or where a company chose's to make charitable donations.  The snow and cold must be just around the corner and golf season coming to a close........

This is where you are wrong.  The DCP only has eyes on the event because of the Master's.  People aren't tuning in to watch the DCP.

I watch it and it has nothing to do with the Masters.  Having coached kids in baseball for 25 years, I enjoy watching them try to do their best on a big stage.

You have to be kidding.  It's boring watching my own kid during DCP, I can't imagine it's more entertaining watching other people's kids.  We even know some past winners and didn't watch those years they were on.

I watch cooking shows too...guess that just makes me a terrible, boring person.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:35 AM

Most adults don't have the attention span to focus on a full round of golf, and kids even less so.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:36 AM

View PostTigerMom, on 02 October 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I don't know anything about Drive Chip Putt

I am trying to understand why "growing the game of golf" is important

Where I live outside NYC if you play on a public muni course 18 holes is a minimum 5 hours

On some parts of Long Island I heard 6 hours are typical

Many parents say their kids lose interest because it is so slow

It seems if golf were less popular among the hoi polloi rounds would be much faster

And it might actually be better for the players who are committed to competing and playing at a high level
Yikes can you ever see beyond the end of your nose? Dictionary.com could take this verbatim as an example of myopic.

More people being interested in things and doing things is how those things thrive; including golf.

Edit: I see CTMason got there before me :)

Edited by duffer987, 03 October 2018 - 08:37 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:48 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 03 October 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 03 October 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 03 October 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View Postdmac4g, on 02 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Drive, Chip and Putt has put more eyes on Junior Golf than any local tour ever would.  It amazes me how many people like to complain about how other people spend their money or where a company chose's to make charitable donations.  The snow and cold must be just around the corner and golf season coming to a close........

This is where you are wrong.  The DCP only has eyes on the event because of the Master's.  People aren't tuning in to watch the DCP.

I watch it and it has nothing to do with the Masters.  Having coached kids in baseball for 25 years, I enjoy watching them try to do their best on a big stage.

You have to be kidding.  It's boring watching my own kid during DCP, I can't imagine it's more entertaining watching other people's kids.  We even know some past winners and didn't watch those years they were on.

I watch cooking shows too...guess that just makes me a terrible, boring person.

Mostly yes, but The Great British Baking Show is amazeballs.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:57 AM

View Postleezer99, on 03 October 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 03 October 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View Postdmac4g, on 02 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Drive, Chip and Putt has put more eyes on Junior Golf than any local tour ever would.  It amazes me how many people like to complain about how other people spend their money or where a company chose's to make charitable donations.  The snow and cold must be just around the corner and golf season coming to a close........

This is where you are wrong.  The DCP only has eyes on the event because of the Master's.  People aren't tuning in to watch the DCP.

I watch it and it has nothing to do with the Masters.  Having coached kids in baseball for 25 years, I enjoy watching them try to do their best on a big stage.

You have to be kidding.  It's boring watching my own kid during DCP, I can't imagine it's more entertaining watching other people's kids.  We even know some past winners and didn't watch those years they were on.

I can't watch my kid either.  I drop him off at the club drop and by the time I park the truck and walk up he is already done and ready to leave.  It still amazes me that I ever traveled two hours round trip for a 15 minute competition.  At least sub-regional was only one hour round trip for a 10 minute competition.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 09:02 AM

Since my earlier opinion was wrong, I might as well jump in with wrong opinion #2.  Would your disdain for the event have anything to do with your child not advancing to Augusta?  Might your tune about the event be a little different if they did?

No matter how much you personally dislike the event, there is nothing else that comes close for viewership.  I hear more talk at the club about D-C-P than any other junior event.  I think the exposure is good for the game and the kids involved.  Just my opinion, which I am sure is wrong...........

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 09:09 AM

View Postdmac4g, on 03 October 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

Since my earlier opinion was wrong, I might as well jump in with wrong opinion #2.  Would your disdain for the event have anything to do with your child not advancing to Augusta?  Might your tune about the event be a little different if they did?

No matter how much you personally dislike the event, there is nothing else that comes close for viewership.  I hear more talk at the club about D-C-P than any other junior event.  I think the exposure is good for the game and the kids involved.  Just my opinion, which I am sure is wrong...........

DMac, we'll start our own thread where we think D/C/P is a good thing.  I guess I'm a really bad person for having driven 2 hours to watch my son only get into a couple of games when the outcome was decided and they played for 2-3 minutes.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 09:11 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 03 October 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:


I watch cooking shows too...guess that just makes me a terrible, boring person.

No I don't think that is it. It's the Ksigs :)

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 09:22 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

I can't watch my kid either.  I drop him off at the club drop and by the time I park the truck and walk up he is already done and ready to leave.  It still amazes me that I ever traveled two hours round trip for a 15 minute competition.  At least sub-regional was only one hour round trip for a 10 minute competition.

And here we have it: the catalyst for the thread. Really should have put that in the OP.
Would think you'd show up in time to walk from the car park to the event with you child so you could enjoy it with him or at least cheer him on even if you don't want to be there, watch some other kids hit, and have a nice time.
But it seems the main concern is the inconvenience of the 'wasted' 2h 15min and trying to find a parking spot. That's unfortunate.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 09:22 AM

View Postctmason_98, on 02 October 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 02 October 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I don't know anything about Drive Chip Putt

I am trying to understand why "growing the game of golf" is important

Where I live outside NYC if you play on a public muni course 18 holes is a minimum 5 hours

On some parts of Long Island I heard 6 hours are typical

Many parents say their kids lose interest because it is so slow

It seems if golf were less popular among the hoi polloi rounds would be much faster

And it might actually be better for the players who are committed to competing and playing at a high level

Your strategy and thoughts are (in my experience) what the vast majority of older golfers think but don't say. And no, I'm not calling YOU old. I don't care what your age is.

And, like those people, you're being phenomenally myopic.

To demonstrate, does it make sense if I say, "God this McDonald's drive thru is always packed!!! I wish they had a bunch fewer customers, then it would be much better."  

No, then the McDonalds is GONE. Or during down times they close the franchisee's other location that this one was Propping up. OR...the price on your McDouble is now $3 I stead of $2. And you're complaining more.

If you don't care about "growing the game," that's fine. But at least he honest and say you want what's good for YOU, not for golf.

And don't ever open your mouth about preserving the history of the game or the honor of the game, etc. Because you don't care.

I never said it was good for the "golf industry" if casual slow players stopped playing

But it WOULD be good for players who are serious about playing regularly and improving but who may not be able to afford a private club membership

Those muni courses are not going to close down if hackers stop playing

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#54 tiger1873

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 09:39 AM

View PostTigerMom, on 03 October 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

View Postctmason_98, on 02 October 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 02 October 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I don't know anything about Drive Chip Putt

I am trying to understand why "growing the game of golf" is important

Where I live outside NYC if you play on a public muni course 18 holes is a minimum 5 hours

On some parts of Long Island I heard 6 hours are typical

Many parents say their kids lose interest because it is so slow

It seems if golf were less popular among the hoi polloi rounds would be much faster

And it might actually be better for the players who are committed to competing and playing at a high level

Your strategy and thoughts are (in my experience) what the vast majority of older golfers think but don't say. And no, I'm not calling YOU old. I don't care what your age is.

And, like those people, you're being phenomenally myopic.

To demonstrate, does it make sense if I say, "God this McDonald's drive thru is always packed!!! I wish they had a bunch fewer customers, then it would be much better."  

No, then the McDonalds is GONE. Or during down times they close the franchisee's other location that this one was Propping up. OR...the price on your McDouble is now $3 I stead of $2. And you're complaining more.

If you don't care about "growing the game," that's fine. But at least he honest and say you want what's good for YOU, not for golf.

And don't ever open your mouth about preserving the history of the game or the honor of the game, etc. Because you don't care.

I never said it was good for the "golf industry" if casual slow players stopped playing

But it WOULD be good for players who are serious about playing regularly and improving but who may not be able to afford a private club membership

Those muni courses are not going to close down if hackers stop playing

Another conversation but golf is not going to go anywhere. The issue is demographics. Baby boomers were retiring and getting older were taking up golf are now starting to get too old to play golf. There are less people behind them in the next generation and the millennials are in their 20's so they simply are too busy to take up golf. I know when kids were first born golf was the last thing on my mind.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 11:30 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View Postdmac4g, on 02 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Drive, Chip and Putt has put more eyes on Junior Golf than any local tour ever would.  It amazes me how many people like to complain about how other people spend their money or where a company chose's to make charitable donations.  The snow and cold must be just around the corner and golf season coming to a close........

This is where you are wrong.  The DCP only has eyes on the event because of the Master's.  People aren't tuning in to watch the DCP.

I'll admit.  Watching DCP on TV is boring AF.  That said, I did watch last year since one of our friends was competing and actually won his age.  I also enjoy being at the Regionals primarily because of the venue and all of the media around.  The locals and subs are pretty meh....


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 11:50 AM

View Postduffer987, on 03 October 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

I can't watch my kid either.  I drop him off at the club drop and by the time I park the truck and walk up he is already done and ready to leave.  It still amazes me that I ever traveled two hours round trip for a 15 minute competition.  At least sub-regional was only one hour round trip for a 10 minute competition.

And here we have it: the catalyst for the thread. Really should have put that in the OP.
Would think you'd show up in time to walk from the car park to the event with you child so you could enjoy it with him or at least cheer him on even if you don't want to be there, watch some other kids hit, and have a nice time.
But it seems the main concern is the inconvenience of the 'wasted' 2h 15min and trying to find a parking spot. That's unfortunate.

LOL...  This is what you get out of it.  A sarcastic, yet partially true post is a catalyst of the thread of an event my kid won first place in?  Nice try but a very weak attempt at a post trying to damn me.  It couldn't have been any of the reasons I have already posted.  

It is a huge waste of time.  This event is the epitome of the everyone gets a trophy philosophy.  You literally drive a couple of hours for 9 shots and a free towel or some other gift if you don't win.  9 shots that take a total of 5 minutes to perform in a competition that is just as much luck as it is skill.  My kid realized it two years ago and decided he would do the same thing that most of the better players in the country do which is not to partake in this recreational event anymore.  He knows his time is better spent working with his coach, practicing at our facility, or playing in a meaningful 36 hole two day event.

Anyhow, thanks for trying.  Come again soon.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:00 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

View Postduffer987, on 03 October 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

I can't watch my kid either.  I drop him off at the club drop and by the time I park the truck and walk up he is already done and ready to leave.  It still amazes me that I ever traveled two hours round trip for a 15 minute competition.  At least sub-regional was only one hour round trip for a 10 minute competition.

And here we have it: the catalyst for the thread. Really should have put that in the OP.
Would think you'd show up in time to walk from the car park to the event with you child so you could enjoy it with him or at least cheer him on even if you don't want to be there, watch some other kids hit, and have a nice time.
But it seems the main concern is the inconvenience of the 'wasted' 2h 15min and trying to find a parking spot. That's unfortunate.

LOL...  This is what you get out of it.  A sarcastic, yet partially true post is a catalyst of the thread of an event my kid won first place in?  Nice try but a very weak attempt at a post trying to damn me.  It couldn't have been any of the reasons I have already posted.  

It is a huge waste of time.  This event is the epitome of the everyone gets a trophy philosophy.  You literally drive a couple of hours for 9 shots and a free towel or some other gift if you don't win.  9 shots that take a total of 5 minutes to perform in a competition that is just as much luck as it is skill.  My kid realized it two years ago and decided he would do the same thing that most of the better players in the country do which is not to partake in this recreational event anymore.  He knows his time is better spent working with his coach, practicing at our facility, or playing in a meaningful 36 hole two day event.

Anyhow, thanks for trying.  Come again soon.

I don't disagree with any of your arguments; just your ultimate conclusion.

I wholeheartedly agree that D/C/P contributes almost nothing to the development of elite (or even top 50%) junior golf "talent".

I fully agree that it's an event that is highly dependent on luck over skill.

Where you lose me is in concluding that what it does bring - a bunch of new kids interested in golf - is somehow bad for the game. Or that the resources devoted to attracting these net-new players would somehow be better served by increasing the investment in the "top" 5% of junior golfers. Honestly, I'd like to see more emphasis on grassroots, broad appeal programs and less on AJGA type "elite" events.

But I get and respect that we have different long-run motivations for our kids.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:22 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 03 October 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

View Postduffer987, on 03 October 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

I can't watch my kid either.  I drop him off at the club drop and by the time I park the truck and walk up he is already done and ready to leave.  It still amazes me that I ever traveled two hours round trip for a 15 minute competition.  At least sub-regional was only one hour round trip for a 10 minute competition.

And here we have it: the catalyst for the thread. Really should have put that in the OP.
Would think you'd show up in time to walk from the car park to the event with you child so you could enjoy it with him or at least cheer him on even if you don't want to be there, watch some other kids hit, and have a nice time.
But it seems the main concern is the inconvenience of the 'wasted' 2h 15min and trying to find a parking spot. That's unfortunate.

LOL...  This is what you get out of it.  A sarcastic, yet partially true post is a catalyst of the thread of an event my kid won first place in?  Nice try but a very weak attempt at a post trying to damn me.  It couldn't have been any of the reasons I have already posted.  

It is a huge waste of time.  This event is the epitome of the everyone gets a trophy philosophy.  You literally drive a couple of hours for 9 shots and a free towel or some other gift if you don't win.  9 shots that take a total of 5 minutes to perform in a competition that is just as much luck as it is skill.  My kid realized it two years ago and decided he would do the same thing that most of the better players in the country do which is not to partake in this recreational event anymore.  He knows his time is better spent working with his coach, practicing at our facility, or playing in a meaningful 36 hole two day event.

Anyhow, thanks for trying.  Come again soon.

Where you lose me is in concluding that what it does bring - a bunch of new kids interested in golf - is somehow bad for the game. Or that the resources devoted to attracting these net-new players would somehow be better served by increasing the investment in the "top" 5% of junior golfers. Honestly, I'd like to see more emphasis on grassroots, broad appeal programs and less on AJGA type "elite" events.


I don't think we differ that much at all.  I don't see the DCP as being the event to bring kids in and maintain them playing the game of golf.  I would rather see the money spent on grass root initiatives showing these kids how to Drive, Chip, and Putt so that they will have longevity within the sport.  Programs throughout the country that get kids involved in Snag golf at no charge, after school programs teaching them fundamentals, local tournaments to introduce them to tournament style golf.  I don't see the DCP as the avenue of promoting the longevity of the sport to the youth.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:39 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 03 October 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

View Postduffer987, on 03 October 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 03 October 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

I can't watch my kid either.  I drop him off at the club drop and by the time I park the truck and walk up he is already done and ready to leave.  It still amazes me that I ever traveled two hours round trip for a 15 minute competition.  At least sub-regional was only one hour round trip for a 10 minute competition.

And here we have it: the catalyst for the thread. Really should have put that in the OP.
Would think you'd show up in time to walk from the car park to the event with you child so you could enjoy it with him or at least cheer him on even if you don't want to be there, watch some other kids hit, and have a nice time.
But it seems the main concern is the inconvenience of the 'wasted' 2h 15min and trying to find a parking spot. That's unfortunate.

LOL...  This is what you get out of it.  A sarcastic, yet partially true post is a catalyst of the thread of an event my kid won first place in?  Nice try but a very weak attempt at a post trying to damn me.  It couldn't have been any of the reasons I have already posted.  

It is a huge waste of time.  This event is the epitome of the everyone gets a trophy philosophy.  You literally drive a couple of hours for 9 shots and a free towel or some other gift if you don't win.  9 shots that take a total of 5 minutes to perform in a competition that is just as much luck as it is skill.  My kid realized it two years ago and decided he would do the same thing that most of the better players in the country do which is not to partake in this recreational event anymore.  He knows his time is better spent working with his coach, practicing at our facility, or playing in a meaningful 36 hole two day event.

Anyhow, thanks for trying.  Come again soon.

Where you lose me is in concluding that what it does bring - a bunch of new kids interested in golf - is somehow bad for the game. Or that the resources devoted to attracting these net-new players would somehow be better served by increasing the investment in the "top" 5% of junior golfers. Honestly, I'd like to see more emphasis on grassroots, broad appeal programs and less on AJGA type "elite" events.


I don't think we differ that much at all.  I don't see the DCP as being the event to bring kids in and maintain them playing the game of golf.  I would rather see the money spent on grass root initiatives showing these kids how to Drive, Chip, and Putt so that they will have longevity within the sport.  Programs throughout the country that get kids involved in Snag golf at no charge, after school programs teaching them fundamentals, local tournaments to introduce them to tournament style golf.  I don't see the DCP as the avenue of promoting the longevity of the sport to the youth.

Agree. I see D/C/P as a "top of the funnel" kind of activity to draw in as many kids as possible to become exposed to the game. The more kids who get that exposure, the more will go one to the next level. I also see it as a venue for kids whose parents are not golfers to introduce them to the game in a non-threatening way.

As a competitive event? It's stupid; though I feel like the Masters hook is a good way to draw in "good" golfers that give it some credibility.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 01:23 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 03 October 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:



Agree. I see D/C/P as a "top of the funnel" kind of activity to draw in as many kids as possible to become exposed to the game. The more kids who get that exposure, the more will go one to the next level. I also see it as a venue for kids whose parents are not golfers to introduce them to the game in a non-threatening way.

As a competitive event? It's stupid; though I feel like the Masters hook is a good way to draw in "good" golfers that give it some credibility.

This is where we agree.  The longevity and health of the game needs to be driven in another way than 9 shots for most of the kids once a year.  Use the local DCP initiative to funnel the kids into the local organizations that teach them how to DCP.  Let those local organizations help drive and promote the health of the game.  The stats on how many people actually get instruction from a Professional is crazy low.  This could be an introductory to these kids.  Win win for the kids and win win for the PGA Instructors down the road because they get more students.


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