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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:39 PM

Every single player on the US team should be willing to join any and all teammates and go win a point. Every single one of those cats should be able to do this and win. We simply are not good at adjusting to conditions and playing as a team, period. These are the situations that occur when you canít get a W.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:41 PM

View PostGolfer4Life, on 30 September 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

View Postnew2g0lf, on 30 September 2018 - 10:03 PM, said:

Reed can be arrogant and annoying but the personal crap should have been dealt with before the first match.  This is where guys like Tiger, Furyk and Phil step in and tell these guys to either fight or put their big boy pants on and go win a few matches for the team.

When I played football in H.S. our offensive tackle hated our QB and it hurt our team.  The seniors got the 2 of them into the locker with the rest of the team blocking the doors and told them, either kick the crap out of each other or shake hands but we're not leaving here until one of those two things happen.

Today's snowflake mentality is different, lol...

Ah yes, the old 'snowflake' card.

We blame the younger generation for how they act when it's a lot of my generation who made them that way. We decided they needed trophies for everything. We decided they needed more accessories/equipment/private training for their sport as a 10 year old than we had in HS.  We are the ones who helicoptered them through school making sure we got every potential piece of adversity of their way.

Then we throw our heads up as they are young adults and call them snowflakes. No idea of your age, but it kills me when I hear people my age (mid 40s) talk about the younger generation.
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:45 PM

View Postmantan, on 30 September 2018 - 10:36 PM, said:

View PostBigarch, on 30 September 2018 - 10:07 PM, said:

View Postchocolate_rehab, on 30 September 2018 - 09:55 PM, said:

View PostBigarch, on 30 September 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

I'm not going to bash the guy.  He didn't play well but he loves to compete.  I've seen prom queens in the back seat of a car put up a better fight than half of the guys on the US team.  Spieth and Thomas both played well and won points, which is what its also about.  But I'll also say that it seemed like there were a lot of pairings where people were paired with their "buddies" and we see how that turned out.  I kinda viewed the Simpson / Watson pairing as a pairing of two weirdos that nobody particularly likes and they played pretty well together. Give me a team of battlers like those two guys and Reed and you'll win a lot more often.  Just my two cents.

I realize you're a man, and probably 1000 years old, but you might want to update your repertoire of "jokes" to something that's acceptable in 2018. This forum isn't an old boys club. Thanks.

You have a profile pic that's a "bunghole" joke over 25 years old and you want to be critical of MY age and the propriety of MY jokes?  That's rich.

A promo shot from a cartoon and a rape joke aren't even in the same planet...

I imagine the age comment was giving you an out.  But then you doubled down, so.....

Thank you for this. I am very used to the doubling down and oftentimes backlash when I speak up against this stuff on golf forums or typically male dominated spaces - but I will always do it anyway. Your post reminds me not everyone is ignorant.

As for the true topic - I can honestly see both sides. I wouldn't want to play with a d-bag like Reed, so I understand Jordan. On the other hand, the pairing was money and feelings and egos should have been put aside for golf. There's a small part of me that can't help but appreciate the brutal honesty, even if we know Reed is widely thought to be a jerk. One thing though - Justine Reed getting in the middle of it does nothing at all to help the situation. They seem to like/want drama.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:45 PM

Tiger apologizing for reed playing like garbage is hilarious. Reed is living in fantasy land he should have apologized for both sessions
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:48 PM

View Postnew2g0lf, on 30 September 2018 - 10:03 PM, said:

Reed can be arrogant and annoying but the personal crap should have been dealt with before the first match.  This is where guys like Tiger, Furyk and Phil step in and tell these guys to either fight or put their big boy pants on and go win a few matches for the team.

When I played football in H.S. our offensive tackle hated our QB and it hurt our team.  The seniors got the 2 of them into the locker with the rest of the team blocking the doors and told them, either kick the crap out of each other or shake hands but we're not leaving here until one of those two things happen.

Tiger and Phil canít really tell guys to play for the team when they couldnít push their own differences aside...

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:55 PM

I didnít hear Reedís joke about carrying Spieth or him signing his neck. This is on Reed. Iíd tell him to pound sand as well.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:56 PM

Spieth went out of his way for years to give Reed a break when everybody else knew he was a complete j___-_ff.  He even took him on as a partner when nobody else would.  For his cooperation, he got Reed crapping on him every chance he got, and that's just what we've seen.  Who knows what went on behind the scenes...it may have been even worse.  We all know what it feels like to be misunderstood but, c'mon, Reed is misunderstood all day every day.  The guy is just a complete d$ck.  Finally, Jordan said "he's not mine to babysit anymore" and thought that maybe he'd behave himself around Tiger since Tiger seem to like Reed, so...problem solved.  Who knew that he'd play like a dog like he did.  All those pairings down the line lost due to poor play, not the lack of rapport among the teammates.  This is on Reed.  Spieth has been kicking himself since the day that he chose to be nice to the weird kid and had it backfire on him personally.  Reed will NEVER, EVER get a Captain's pick, no matter the circumstances.  This was a no-possible-win situation for YJS (given the loss).

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:59 PM

View PostJordan Speeth, on 30 September 2018 - 10:56 PM, said:

Spieth went out of his way for years to give Reed a break when everybody else knew he was a complete j___-_ff.  He even took him on as a partner when nobody else would.

Stopped reading your comment here because this is why the US did not win and Europe has dominated recently.  Shouldn't matter who you are paired with, you get paid to play golf and it is your job, put your big boy pants on and WIN A DAMN MATCH.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:00 PM

YJS is the jerk face here.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:02 PM

View Postchocolate_rehab, on 30 September 2018 - 09:55 PM, said:

View PostBigarch, on 30 September 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

I'm not going to bash the guy.  He didn't play well but he loves to compete.  I've seen prom queens in the back seat of a car put up a better fight than half of the guys on the US team.  Spieth and Thomas both played well and won points, which is what its also about.  But I'll also say that it seemed like there were a lot of pairings where people were paired with their "buddies" and we see how that turned out.  I kinda viewed the Simpson / Watson pairing as a pairing of two weirdos that nobody particularly likes and they played pretty well together. Give me a team of battlers like those two guys and Reed and you'll win a lot more often.  Just my two cents.

I realize you're a man, and probably 1000 years old, but you might want to update your repertoire of "jokes" to something that's acceptable in 2018. This forum isn't an old boys club. Thanks.

And another thing..;-)..

Webb Simpson is NOT a weirdo, nor is he disliked anywhere but here on WRX.  He's one of the most respected and well-liked players on Tour by the other pros, the media, and his sponsors.  The guy is also one of the best players on earth.  I'm not sure where you get the idea that WS is a "weirdo".  I guess it just sounded good at the moment you typed it.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:03 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 30 September 2018 - 09:16 PM, said:

Spieth is a whiny guy.

Whine at the ball.

Whine at himself.

That press conference with his politician answer.

Lame.


Yeah sounds like Spieth was at the middle of some of this stuff wih team.  At the presser Spieth asked TW a question and he didnt answer.  Jordan made some crack like "nice chat Tiger"    Hey Reed at least won Spieth got hammered by 5 by Olsen.  The worst butt kicking of day to a no-namer.  Id put Fuyk up there with Watson and Sutton as one of worst captains in recemt 10-15 years.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:06 PM

You could have had Jones, Nicklaus, Palmer, Watson and Tiger coaching...in their prime...and it wouldn't have made any difference.  This is on the players and Reed's crappy attitude is a glimpse into what ails this team.  They didn't play well, they got beat.  Players play the game, players win or lose.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:14 PM

Going to be fun times at the old Champions Dinner at Augusta next year!

Spieth was absolutely correct in not wanting to play with that clown again. Having them "suck it up" and play together still would have lead to disaster.

I blame Tom Watson, he put them together in the first place.
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:15 PM

YJS is likely to be playing these things for the next 25 years.  Can you imagine being stuck with Reed as a partner for that long?  I'm sure that it looked like the perfect time to make the escape without ruffling too many feathers.  I mean, you get to play with Tiger....how cool is that!?  This was his opportunity to really confirm his Captain America identity but instead, he played like shite and is looking to blame it on Spieth.  To be stuck with Reed every year in something this important would really take the fun out of it for anyone, I'm sure.  I can think of at least one or two guys who I wouldn't even play 18 holes with, regardless whether I had to speak with them or not, that is, if I wanted to enjoy my day.  Nobody should be compelled to work with abusive people.  Jordan gave it his best and Reed f'd it up.
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:16 PM

View Postcdnglf, on 30 September 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

So if he'd been paired with a Jordan, Reed would have shot 65 instead of 85?

It was a domino effect on several of the other pairings.  Fowler and Thomas for example, is a solid pairing.

I would have gone.. Thomas/Fowler, Spieth/Reed, Koepka/Johnson, Watson/Simpson, Woods/Finau, Mickelson/Bryson


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:16 PM

I think this just proves the point that the US team isn't all in on this thing. Sure they care and want to win, BUT only if all their conditions are met. If they truly were vested in winning this thing, whoever had any issues with others on the team would at the very least try to get it fixed before the comp started. You don't have to like anyone on the team, but you should try to at a minimum have a brief conversation saying "Hey we don't like each other and that's fine, but lets shelve it for the next week. We can hate each other for the other 51 weeks of the year"

That would be the actions of someone that is all in. Doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong or who started what. If you don't have that attitude, you don't truly care about the team. You can't set conditions on team play. That is where the EU team has an edge. They have a common enemy. They want to stick it to the US much more than they want to carry any personal beef they have with someone into the team room and that is never gonna change in this competition.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:17 PM

View PostDBill, on 30 September 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:

View PostJordan Speeth, on 30 September 2018 - 10:56 PM, said:

Spieth went out of his way for years to give Reed a break when everybody else knew he was a complete j___-_ff.  He even took him on as a partner when nobody else would.

Stopped reading your comment here because this is why the US did not win and Europe has dominated recently.  Shouldn't matter who you are paired with, you get paid to play golf and it is your job, put your big boy pants on and WIN A DAMN MATCH.

They're not getting paid to play in the Ryder Cup.  Such a shame that Reed had such a hack for a partner.  I mean, who's even heard of that guy?  Tiger who?
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:17 PM

Undoubtedly if Captain Jim had paired Reed with Spieth, then Patrick wouldn't have hit all of those wayward tee shots nor drowned more golf balls than I did the last time I played Man O' War.

There is no doubt that the Reed-Spieth pairing was successful in the past.  There is no guarantee that result would have been repeated in this competition, however, especially considering the things that have occurred between the two in the recent past.  I would expect that Spieth would likely have been as upset by this pairing as Reed was that it didn't happen - likely resulting in the two of them not being nearly as productive as in the past.  We'll never know for sure, though.

Regardless, the USA team obviously had some serious issues in the locker room.  Its obviously very difficult to be a winning team when personal issues divide teammates.
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:22 PM

Clearly the only way to get the US Team working as a team is to put $100M on the line.
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:23 PM

View Postnew2g0lf, on 30 September 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 30 September 2018 - 10:14 PM, said:

View Postnew2g0lf, on 30 September 2018 - 10:03 PM, said:

Reed can be arrogant and annoying but the personal crap should have been dealt with before the first match.  This is where guys like Tiger, Furyk and Phil step in and tell these guys to either fight or put their big boy pants on and go win a few matches for the team.

When I played football in H.S. our offensive tackle hated our QB and it hurt our team.  The seniors got the 2 of them into the locker with the rest of the team blocking the doors and told them, either kick the crap out of each other or shake hands but we're not leaving here until one of those two things happen.

Hard for Tiger and Phil to tell someone else to put their big boy pants on when they had a similar dispute for years. Only one thing that these two pairs love more than pride of country is...money. Jordan and Reed need to play for $9 million too.

Then Zach and Kuchar should have done it, point is, these two guys were poisoning the team and it doesn't appear Furyk wanted to address it directly.

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They weren't poisoning anything. They didn't play together. You think this all came up Thursday morning?

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:24 PM

No evidence of serious locker room issues, again where does this get made up?

One guy is whining.
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:25 PM

View PostPZero, on 30 September 2018 - 09:55 PM, said:

View Postredfirebird08, on 30 September 2018 - 09:51 PM, said:

View PostPZero, on 30 September 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

Reed is right. Though since people don't like him they won't agree with what he said.

I don't like the fact he started all of this mess in the first place. Why did he voluntarily throw Spieth under the bus multiple times about 6 months ago? First it was the "tired of carrying him on my back" comment in a press conference. Then it was the nonsense with the rules official on the golf course, begging for a free drop and making that sarcastic comment that Spieth would have been granted the drop.

All of that was in a joking manner. The part with the drop, Reed was correct and it wasn't really disrespecting Spieth in what he said.

It's just a classic situation where one person thinks they're friends, and one barely tolerates the other guy. I've seen all the shenanigans Reed pulled with Spieth and it's just pretty tone deaf on his part to keep piling on. Spieth is a 3 time major winner and doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that will be the butt of many jokes, especially from someone that would get picked last on the playground at recess

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#83 mosesgolf

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:26 PM

When will people learn to just keep their mouth shut.

How's that go?

Better to keep mouth shut and have people think you're stupid (a 8=D) rather than open it and remove all doubt.

So who does he get paired with if he makes the next Ryder Cup.  Throw player and captain under bus.  Hmmmmm.  Sit down until singles.  :D
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:27 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 30 September 2018 - 11:24 PM, said:

No evidence of serious locker room issues, again where does this get made up?

One guy is whining.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:33 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 30 September 2018 - 11:24 PM, said:

No evidence of serious locker room issues, again where does this get made up?

One guy is whining.

I'm one of those who are guilty as charged, Hawkeye77.  I'll own it.  I'm simply supposing that these issues were at least a part of the locker room mentality of this team.  Its very difficult for me to believe that these attitudes didn't affect the TEAM aspect of this group.

I could very well be wrong in that assumption, however.

To me, this is simply Patrick Reed deflecting blame for his poor play.  Jordan and Justin played very well together.  That pairing worked.  Did the split of the Reed/Spieth pairing adversely affect other teams?  We will never know. Its the responsibility of each pairing to take care of its own match and the others obviously didn't fare nearly as well.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:34 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 30 September 2018 - 11:24 PM, said:

No evidence of serious locker room issues, again where does this get made up?

One guy is whining.

Lack of "chemistry" and a close knit spirit to rival the Europeans, would be a better description

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:34 PM

Let’s see:
Georgia didn’t like him
Augusta College teammates didn’t like him
Family doesn’t like him
Maybe Captain America is not a good name for him.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:35 PM

View PostDBill, on 30 September 2018 - 10:24 PM, said:

I agree with Reed here.  Seems Furyk played up the let's all be buddies and play with our friends mentality.  This is the freaking Ryder Cup, not a casual Sunday match.  Play the pairings that give you the best chance to win, not who would have the most fun being paired together.

I had a feeling this would go this way when Phil was announced as a captain's pick....... what a freaking joke.

I think for the most part, pairings that have the most fun together often give you the best chance to win (see Europe). In 2014 and 2016 I'm sure they got along just fine which is why they were successful. But after Reed become Captain America and a Masters champ, his tiny nike shirts couldn't hold in his sweaty flabby ego from flopping all over the place. How do you think the Reed/Spieth pairing would have looked when Spieth would have to drop after every Reed water ball? It would have played out terribly in front of the entire world, much like Tiger and Phil in 2004. If Reed really wanted to continue the partnership, he should have made himself a good partner.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:35 PM

View PostJordan Speeth, on 30 September 2018 - 11:17 PM, said:

View PostDBill, on 30 September 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:

View PostJordan Speeth, on 30 September 2018 - 10:56 PM, said:

Spieth went out of his way for years to give Reed a break when everybody else knew he was a complete j___-_ff.  He even took him on as a partner when nobody else would.

Stopped reading your comment here because this is why the US did not win and Europe has dominated recently.  Shouldn't matter who you are paired with, you get paid to play golf and it is your job, put your big boy pants on and WIN A DAMN MATCH.

They're not getting paid to play in the Ryder Cup.  Such a shame that Reed had such a hack for a partner.  I mean, who's even heard of that guy?  Tiger who?

They do get paid to play golf though.  Seeing as they dont get paid for the Ryder Cup should make this more important for pride and representing your country.

Also, I never mentioned anything about Reed in the post, it was directed at the entire team for the US not just one guy, try reading harder next time.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:36 PM

View PostEmmett, on 30 September 2018 - 11:34 PM, said:

Letís see:
Georgia didnít like him
Augusta College teammates didnít like him
Family doesnít like him
Maybe Captain America is not a good name for him.

Heís just misunderstood. By everyone, apparently.

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