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#1 TheGulag

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:24 PM

Maybe that's why they didn't play him in the afternoon. Was watching the live coverage this morning and I did see someone on a stretcher with medical personnel around when they were putting but nothing was ever said on it.

Edited by TheGulag, 28 September 2018 - 12:26 PM.

View Posttatertot, on 12 May 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

Bad day ... Like an arm fell off on the range and he decided to tough it out?

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:28 PM

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:29 PM

Why would they bench him for that? Players hit people on the side all the time. Is he going to jail?
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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:32 PM

linebackers hit pretty hard these days ... hope she's ok ...

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:32 PM

View Postthird-times-a-charm, on 28 September 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

Why would they bench him for that? Players hit people on the side all the time. Is he going to jail?

It can mess you up mentally and make some players timid. But not Koepka. He's mentally tough.

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:33 PM

View Posttiderider, on 28 September 2018 - 12:32 PM, said:

linebackers hit pretty hard these days ... hope she's ok ...

NFL has flagged Brooks for roughing the passer.....by.

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:41 PM

"It looked like it hurt," the US star said after his first match. "She was bleeding pretty good. It looked like it hit her right in the eye, so hopefully there's no, you know, loss of vision or anything like that.... it's not a fun feeling. I probably do it way more than I should. It seems just about every week we're hitting somebody, and you know, it's unfortunate. You're never trying to.

"It doesn't feel good, it really doesn't. You feel terrible for them. You know exactly how they are feeling, especially when you've got to go over there and apologise."

A Ryder Cup spokesman said: "She was immediately supported by marshals and assessed by the medical team on site.

"She has been taken to the hospital as a precaution but doctors have confirmed the injury is not serious. The spectator does not have a broken nose, contrary to what some media announced."

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Edited by rawdog, 28 September 2018 - 12:41 PM.

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:47 PM

View Postrawdog, on 28 September 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

"It looked like it hurt," the US star said after his first match. "She was bleeding pretty good. It looked like it hit her right in the eye, so hopefully there's no, you know, loss of vision or anything like that.... it's not a fun feeling. I probably do it way more than I should. It seems just about every week we're hitting somebody, and you know, it's unfortunate. You're never trying to.

"It doesn't feel good, it really doesn't. You feel terrible for them. You know exactly how they are feeling, especially when you've got to go over there and apologise."

A Ryder Cup spokesman said: "She was immediately supported by marshals and assessed by the medical team on site.

"She has been taken to the hospital as a precaution but doctors have confirmed the injury is not serious. The spectator does not have a broken nose, contrary to what some media announced."

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Glad she sounds like she's OK. If she had lost an eye, yes that could definitely mess someone up.
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Posted 28 September 2018 - 01:02 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 28 September 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 28 September 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

"It looked like it hurt," the US star said after his first match. "She was bleeding pretty good. It looked like it hit her right in the eye, so hopefully there's no, you know, loss of vision or anything like that.... it's not a fun feeling. I probably do it way more than I should. It seems just about every week we're hitting somebody, and you know, it's unfortunate. You're never trying to.

"It doesn't feel good, it really doesn't. You feel terrible for them. You know exactly how they are feeling, especially when you've got to go over there and apologise."

A Ryder Cup spokesman said: "She was immediately supported by marshals and assessed by the medical team on site.

"She has been taken to the hospital as a precaution but doctors have confirmed the injury is not serious. The spectator does not have a broken nose, contrary to what some media announced."

https://www.telegrap...-brooks-koepka/

Glad she sounds like she's OK. If she had lost an eye, yes that could definitely mess someone up.

Seriously. Even anywhere near the eye and you'd expect broken bones or a concussion. "Not serious" is actually very surprising.
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Posted 28 September 2018 - 01:05 PM

View Postrawdog, on 28 September 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 28 September 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 28 September 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

"It looked like it hurt," the US star said after his first match. "She was bleeding pretty good. It looked like it hit her right in the eye, so hopefully there's no, you know, loss of vision or anything like that.... it's not a fun feeling. I probably do it way more than I should. It seems just about every week we're hitting somebody, and you know, it's unfortunate. You're never trying to.

"It doesn't feel good, it really doesn't. You feel terrible for them. You know exactly how they are feeling, especially when you've got to go over there and apologise."

A Ryder Cup spokesman said: "She was immediately supported by marshals and assessed by the medical team on site.

"She has been taken to the hospital as a precaution but doctors have confirmed the injury is not serious. The spectator does not have a broken nose, contrary to what some media announced."

https://www.telegrap...-brooks-koepka/

Glad she sounds like she's OK. If she had lost an eye, yes that could definitely mess someone up.

Seriously. Even anywhere near the eye and you'd expect broken bones or a concussion. "Not serious" is actually very surprising.

Yes very lucky. We had someone in the office hit with a softball near the eye not even moving that fast, and they were out for over a month and needed surgery

Damage near the eye is bad.

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 01:21 PM

View Postrawdog, on 28 September 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 28 September 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 28 September 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

"It looked like it hurt," the US star said after his first match. "She was bleeding pretty good. It looked like it hit her right in the eye, so hopefully there's no, you know, loss of vision or anything like that.... it's not a fun feeling. I probably do it way more than I should. It seems just about every week we're hitting somebody, and you know, it's unfortunate. You're never trying to.

"It doesn't feel good, it really doesn't. You feel terrible for them. You know exactly how they are feeling, especially when you've got to go over there and apologise."

A Ryder Cup spokesman said: "She was immediately supported by marshals and assessed by the medical team on site.

"She has been taken to the hospital as a precaution but doctors have confirmed the injury is not serious. The spectator does not have a broken nose, contrary to what some media announced."

https://www.telegrap...-brooks-koepka/

Glad she sounds like she's OK. If she had lost an eye, yes that could definitely mess someone up.

Seriously. Even anywhere near the eye and you'd expect broken bones or a concussion. "Not serious" is actually very surprising.
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Posted 29 September 2018 - 04:43 PM

Glad the lady is not seriously impaired. It’s pretty scary.

JP has been hit by a drive, but in the thigh. A head shot, that would be just so damn awful. JP was playing when it occurred. About 150 yards from tee, never had a chance.
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Posted 29 September 2018 - 07:02 PM

View Posttbowles411, on 28 September 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 28 September 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 28 September 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 28 September 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

"It looked like it hurt," the US star said after his first match. "She was bleeding pretty good. It looked like it hit her right in the eye, so hopefully there's no, you know, loss of vision or anything like that.... it's not a fun feeling. I probably do it way more than I should. It seems just about every week we're hitting somebody, and you know, it's unfortunate. You're never trying to.

"It doesn't feel good, it really doesn't. You feel terrible for them. You know exactly how they are feeling, especially when you've got to go over there and apologise."

A Ryder Cup spokesman said: "She was immediately supported by marshals and assessed by the medical team on site.

"She has been taken to the hospital as a precaution but doctors have confirmed the injury is not serious. The spectator does not have a broken nose, contrary to what some media announced."

https://www.telegrap...-brooks-koepka/

Glad she sounds like she's OK. If she had lost an eye, yes that could definitely mess someone up.

Seriously. Even anywhere near the eye and you'd expect broken bones or a concussion. "Not serious" is actually very surprising.
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About 8 years ago, I got hit on the eyebrow on a tee shot with a driver on the fly while sitting in a cart, with the windshield folded down. The worst part was the first 8 or so seconds, verifying my eye was still intact. Scary stuff. I bled like a stuck pig, needed 2 stitches, and my eye swelled shut for about 3 days, but the pain wasn’t horrible. Mentally, though, I’m a basket case teeing off in shooting-gallery style courses (because I know how much it sucks to get hit) and when I’m standing anywhere remotely close to where a golf ball might land even today.
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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:25 PM

It's unfortunate she lost sight in her eye, but now she's considering legal action because...of course.

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:27 PM

That's bullxxxx. Spectators assume the risk of being down range on a golf course. It's like standing down a driving range asking to watch from out there. Koepka should not be responsible for that crap.

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:33 PM

View Postsaksittb, on 01 October 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

That's bullxxxx. Spectators assume the risk of being down range on a golf course. It's like standing down a driving range asking to watch from out there. Koepka should not be responsible for that crap.

I doubt she would even sue Koepka. Most likely the tournament organizers.

People cannot sign away or waive basic human rights, it's illegal to even ask someone to do that in many countries (I assume France is one). Her case would just need to be that the tour knowingly put spectators in a position of danger, I believe. I'm not a lawyer but I believe that's what it is

To be honest I don't necessarily disagree. I've posted many times that golf tournaments allow fans to get too close, and someone would actually die one day

But legally someone cannot waive their right to an outcome like being hit hard enough to cause blindness. I don't think so in France anyway. Here we have laws like that

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:41 PM

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:42 PM

Was it a line drive off the tee box or bomb down range catching her on the way Down?

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:43 PM

For reference if anyone is interested, read about the death of Brittany Cecil at  an NHL game on Wikipedia

Led to netting being mandatory in arenas in certain areas, and the NHL did pay her family a settlement over 1M dollars
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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:44 PM

Is the fan going to permanently lose sight in her eye?

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:47 PM

Koepka will be more than happy that she will be fully compensated his insurance company on the other hand will try very hard not to pay out

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:50 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 01 October 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

Is the fan going to permanently lose sight in her eye?

I believe they used the term “explosion of the eyeball” so I would assume permanent loss of vision.

As far as the legal action, I don’t believe Koepka will be at any legal risk. The injured party will most likely sue the tournament/organizers and they will then settle on some amount.
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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:54 PM

View Postdrake47, on 01 October 2018 - 08:50 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 01 October 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

Is the fan going to permanently lose sight in her eye?

I believe they used the term "explosion of the eyeball" so I would assume permanent loss of vision.

As far as the legal action, I don't believe Koepka will be at any legal risk. The injured party will most likely sue the tournament/organizers and they will then settle on some amount.

From The Telegraph: "However they told me I'd lost the sight in my right eye, and this was what was confirmed to me today (Monday)."Her husband said: "In the best case scenario, she may be able to see shapes after the bruising eases in a month or so."

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:56 PM

Oh God that makes me nauseated, her eyeball exploded?  Geez.  We were in the gallery around the 18th green at the PGA at Baltusrol and a guy right next to us got hit in the shoulder by a Jason Day approach shot.  He said it hurt like a mf.
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Posted 01 October 2018 - 09:02 PM

View PostSoCalTitleist, on 01 October 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

Was it a line drive off the tee box or bomb down range catching her on the way Down?

Down range. Said the marshals should have said a ball was incoming.

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 09:32 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 01 October 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

View Postsaksittb, on 01 October 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

That's bullxxxx. Spectators assume the risk of being down range on a golf course. It's like standing down a driving range asking to watch from out there. Koepka should not be responsible for that crap.

I doubt she would even sue Koepka. Most likely the tournament organizers.

People cannot sign away or waive basic human rights, it's illegal to even ask someone to do that in many countries (I assume France is one). Her case would just need to be that the tour knowingly put spectators in a position of danger, I believe. I'm not a lawyer but I believe that's what it is

To be honest I don't necessarily disagree. I've posted many times that golf tournaments allow fans to get too close, and someone would actually die one day

But legally someone cannot waive their right to an outcome like being hit hard enough to cause blindness. I don't think so in France anyway. Here we have laws like that

Jeff,

I'm no lawyer either but what "basic human right" would she have signed away or waived by buying her ticket ?

Most tickets for a whole variety of events acknowledge that there may be dangerous situations and the ticket holder hold the event harmless in case of injury.

She's not giving up any rights. She's acknowledging "stuff happens".

Now "negligence" is another story and if anyone can prove that the event should have and could have reasonably anticipated and prevented the event from happening that is another story.

I just read up on Brittany and the NHL did settle out of court but probably did so more for public relation issues than fear of losing in court.

Found this - https://www.law.du.e...5-Augustine.pdf

Didn't read it all but note the part that says "So where does the law stand on this issue? Consistently in favor of the teams, leagues, and/or event promoters. Courts operate under the premise that spectators assume the risk of
attending a game/event, and that it should be obvious to the spectator that a baseball, puck, tire,
or golf ball can hit them."

Don't mean to sound insensitive and I hope she's alright but "Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances".

The thing that really gets me is when a Pro is punching a low 4 iron under a tree towards the green and there are MORONS lined up on BOTH sides of the line of flight, not 10 feet wide on either side.

Sooner or later someone's going to mishit that shot and somebody's going to get a 140 MPH "fastball" right between the eyes and they're not going to survive it.

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 09:40 PM

View Postnsxguy, on 01 October 2018 - 09:32 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 01 October 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

View Postsaksittb, on 01 October 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

That's bullxxxx. Spectators assume the risk of being down range on a golf course. It's like standing down a driving range asking to watch from out there. Koepka should not be responsible for that crap.

I doubt she would even sue Koepka. Most likely the tournament organizers.

People cannot sign away or waive basic human rights, it's illegal to even ask someone to do that in many countries (I assume France is one). Her case would just need to be that the tour knowingly put spectators in a position of danger, I believe. I'm not a lawyer but I believe that's what it is

To be honest I don't necessarily disagree. I've posted many times that golf tournaments allow fans to get too close, and someone would actually die one day

But legally someone cannot waive their right to an outcome like being hit hard enough to cause blindness. I don't think so in France anyway. Here we have laws like that

Jeff,

I'm no lawyer either but what "basic human right" would she have signed away or waived by buying her ticket ?

Most tickets for a whole variety of events acknowledge that there may be dangerous situations and the ticket holder hold the event harmless in case of injury.

She's not giving up any rights. She's acknowledging "stuff happens".

Now "negligence" is another story and if anyone can prove that the event should have and could have reasonably anticipated and prevented the event from happening that is another story.

I just read up on Brittany and the NHL did settle out of court but probably did so more for public relation issues than fear of losing in court.

Found this - https://www.law.du.e...5-Augustine.pdf

Didn't read it all but note the part that says "So where does the law stand on this issue? Consistently in favor of the teams, leagues, and/or event promoters. Courts operate under the premise that spectators assume the risk of
attending a game/event, and that it should be obvious to the spectator that a baseball, puck, tire,
or golf ball can hit them."

Being hit by a ball and getting bruised is one thing though, losing sight (suffering permanent damage) is another. I believe if you can prove in a court that this was a predictable outcome that was neglected you would have a case. As you mention. I think there's a fine line between risk you can assume and permanent damage that you cant be asked to waive

Like, getting hit by a puck that causes death is not something someone can waive I don't believe, even if the ticket states theres a risk of danger.

So this one might be a gray area. But I believe she's have a case, and at least get a settlement.

I may be wrong, I haven't read much on law in a few years

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 09:41 PM

Seems like she has a decent case, IMO. It was set up to be a driveable par 4 and from what I saw, they were allowing the fans to get really close to that green. Not surprising that pros hitting driver in there are going to be less accurate and also less likely to be able to warn people when the shot is off line since they are 300+ yards away. It's not like she was in the grandstands on the 18th hole and someone hit a really bad iron approach.

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 09:45 PM

Best guess it's a retinal detachment along with the loss of some of the vitrious that forms up the globe of the eye. Amazingly there are surgeries that are amazing and can have incredible results. What was once the literally loss of an eye has given way to hope. They can use cadaver vitrious, reattach the retina and take corrective action on the lens which was probably also disrupted.

Just offering up a little hope. This is SUCH a terrible accident. Life changing. Hopefully she is a candidate for some of the treatments now available.

This sort of thing should really serve as a wake-up call for anyone who even remotely thinks about hitting into others.
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Posted 01 October 2018 - 09:59 PM

Standing down range and having people drive golf balls in your direction is hazardous enough. But it almost certainly becomes even more dangerous when the people down range probably don't know what's going on. A shout of 'Fore!' would have anyone who plays the game themselves ducking and covering in an instant, but a Frenchwoman who's flown in from Egypt to watch the spectacle and who in all likelihood has never set foot on a golf course in her life before probably just stood there looking back at the tee wondering what it meant.

I read in the newspaper today she's claiming that there was no warning and if so,that's unforgivable. But even if there was a warning shout, it's no good if half the spectators don't understand it. Maybe these tournaments that attract masses of 'sports fans', should institute a system whereby someone downrange is charged with letting off an air siren or some similar universal danger signal when shots go off course so everyone knows what's coming down the pike.

In any event, no matter what disclaimers the organizers might put in the small print.  it's not right that people coming to watch a golf tournament should run the risk of being maimed for life or worse. I think this woman has ever right to sue the cr*p out of the organizers. They should have foreseen the danger.


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