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#31 Golfer4Life

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:10 AM

I only go halfway to read the break and that's it.  On straight putts I don't even bother.

I think for Junior golfers is not a bad thing, but I think the coach or parent should be mindful of pace of play.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:27 AM

View PostGolfer4Life, on 19 September 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

I only go halfway to read the break and that's it.  On straight putts I don't even bother.

I think for Junior golfers is not a bad thing, but I think the coach or parent should be mindful of pace of play.

I love it when people venture to the Junior Section to give advice when they aren't regulars here.  I see you have a 15 handicap.  You do realize that the majority of these juniors we are talking about are better than you?  Yet you venture over here to throw your 2 cents in.  Maybe you are a 15 handicap because you are not looking at the hole from both sides.  Thanks for nothing.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:36 AM

View Postkekoa, on 19 September 2018 - 12:27 AM, said:

View Postwildcatden, on 19 September 2018 - 12:04 AM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 18 September 2018 - 11:41 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 18 September 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

View Postbenlenahan, on 18 September 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

I don’t see this much at the high school level. I don’t know why, I would assume that as your skill progresses you become more confident with your game and your ability to read a feel the green, so a simple two-way read will suffice. It’s jsut down to personal preference in the end, alright I’d prefer if people don’t. Played jsut the other day with a kid who did it, neared a six hour round because of his slow pace. Brutal.

No offense, but high school level golf is not a high level.

I dont think he was inferring that high school is high level golf. I assume its just what he has direct experience with.  D1 College golfers nor pga players walk off putts. Hows that? ��

Tiger does this very similar routine these days, but from his book in 2001(?) he has walking the putt off in his routine. Now, he's not walking to or from the whole and counting out steps out loud, but he is walking the putt off.

********************************************************************
Tiger Woods in his book How I play Golf says this.
"A good putting stroke requires smooth rhythm and a steady, repeating pace. One of the secrets to accomplishing that is to do everything else smoothly and repetitively, too.
I’m talking about my pre-putt routine, or the series of things I do before I actually pull the trigger with the putter."

His routine is:
  • Take a general view of the putt while standing behind the ball
  • Walk to the hole and take a side view of the line to help determine the slope
  • Examine the area around the hole
  • Walk back to the ball and crouch behind it to get the most telling view of the speed and the break
  • Stand alongside the ball and make two rehearsal strokes
  • Move the putter behind the ball and then shift the feet forward
  • Take two more looks at the path of the putt and the hole
  • Stroke the putt
******************************************************************

Show me one video of tiger walking off a putt and Ill send you $100 bill. Hurry you have 10 seconds tho.

I consider this walking off the putt.  I will IM you my address for the $100 bill.

https://www.youtube....h?v=x83BGr0pcxk

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#34 Golfer4Life

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:40 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 19 September 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

View PostGolfer4Life, on 19 September 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

I only go halfway to read the break and that's it.  On straight putts I don't even bother.

I think for Junior golfers is not a bad thing, but I think the coach or parent should be mindful of pace of play.

I love it when people venture to the Junior Section to give advice when they aren't regulars here.  I see you have a 15 handicap.  You do realize that the majority of these juniors we are talking about are better than you?  Yet you venture over here to throw your 2 cents in.  Maybe you are a 15 handicap because you are not looking at the hole from both sides.  Thanks for nothing.

With all do respect, you are an @#$&*&.  I wasn't offering any type of advice, and yes they are better than me.

I play to have fun, I guess a professional like you would never be caught playing with a 15 handicapper like me.

Get a life.  Life is too short.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:58 AM

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 09:30 AM

View PostCTgolf, on 19 September 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

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#37 heavy_hitter

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 09:48 AM

View PostGolfer4Life, on 19 September 2018 - 08:40 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 19 September 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

View PostGolfer4Life, on 19 September 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

I only go halfway to read the break and that's it.  On straight putts I don't even bother.

I think for Junior golfers is not a bad thing, but I think the coach or parent should be mindful of pace of play.

I love it when people venture to the Junior Section to give advice when they aren't regulars here.  I see you have a 15 handicap.  You do realize that the majority of these juniors we are talking about are better than you?  Yet you venture over here to throw your 2 cents in.  Maybe you are a 15 handicap because you are not looking at the hole from both sides.  Thanks for nothing.

With all do respect, you are an idiot.  I wasn't offering any type of advice, and yes they are better than me.

I play to have fun, I guess a professional like you would never be caught playing with a 15 handicapper like me.

Get a life.  Life is too short.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 09:51 AM

Practice?  We talkin' about practice???  Lol🤣
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 09:53 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 19 September 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostGolfer4Life, on 19 September 2018 - 08:40 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 19 September 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

View PostGolfer4Life, on 19 September 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

I only go halfway to read the break and that's it.  On straight putts I don't even bother.

I think for Junior golfers is not a bad thing, but I think the coach or parent should be mindful of pace of play.

I love it when people venture to the Junior Section to give advice when they aren't regulars here.  I see you have a 15 handicap.  You do realize that the majority of these juniors we are talking about are better than you?  Yet you venture over here to throw your 2 cents in.  Maybe you are a 15 handicap because you are not looking at the hole from both sides.  Thanks for nothing.

With all do respect, you are an idiot.  I wasn't offering any type of advice, and yes they are better than me.

I play to have fun, I guess a professional like you would never be caught playing with a 15 handicapper like me.

Get a life.  Life is too short.

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Lol, that’s what I said, lol....
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 11:09 AM

View Postdpb5031, on 19 September 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:

Practice?  We talkin' about practice???  Lol��

Nope, nature vs. nurture.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 11:09 AM

Referring to that Tiger video posted by Wildcatden:

LoL, now you are reaching.  I hardly call that walking off a putt.  He's looking at the line from the other side and walking back to his ball.  

When I say walking off putts, I'm referring to those kids who start at their ball and walk all the way to their hole.  They then tell their caddy: '24 paces'.  Their caddy then tell them to use their 24 pace stroke.  :taunt:

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 11:40 AM

View Postkekoa, on 19 September 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

Referring to that Tiger video posted by Wildcatden:

LoL, now you are reaching.  I hardly call that walking off a putt.  He's looking at the line from the other side and walking back to his ball.  

When I say walking off putts, I'm referring to those kids who start at their ball and walk all the way to their hole.  They then tell their caddy: '24 paces'.  Their caddy then tell them to use their 24 pace stroke.  :taunt:

And this is why I don't caddie anymore.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 12:37 PM

View Postkekoa, on 19 September 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

Referring to that Tiger video posted by Wildcatden:

LoL, now you are reaching.  I hardly call that walking off a putt.  He's looking at the line from the other side and walking back to his ball.  

When I say walking off putts, I'm referring to those kids who start at their ball and walk all the way to their hole.  They then tell their caddy: '24 paces'.  Their caddy then tell them to use their 24 pace stroke.  :taunt:

Show me one post by wildcatden where I post a video of Tiger walking off a putt and Ill send you $100 bill. Hurry you have 10 seconds tho.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 01:50 PM

View Postkekoa, on 19 September 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

Referring to that Tiger video posted by Wildcatden:

LoL, now you are reaching.  I hardly call that walking off a putt.  He's looking at the line from the other side and walking back to his ball.  

When I say walking off putts, I'm referring to those kids who start at their ball and walk all the way to their hole.  They then tell their caddy: '24 paces'.  Their caddy then tell them to use their 24 pace stroke.  :taunt:

Wait.... What?  People really do this?

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 03:54 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 19 September 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 19 September 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

Referring to that Tiger video posted by Wildcatden:

LoL, now you are reaching.  I hardly call that walking off a putt.  He's looking at the line from the other side and walking back to his ball.  

When I say walking off putts, I'm referring to those kids who start at their ball and walk all the way to their hole.  They then tell their caddy: '24 paces'.  Their caddy then tell them to use their 24 pace stroke.  :taunt:

Wait.... What?  People really do this?

You think Guillen needed to know how far to throw this ball?

http://youtu.be/DFAbXnlzZGQ?t=6s


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 04:00 PM

I don't know much about baseball or even golf

But it seems like golf you need to be very very precise in putting because you have to stop the ball very close to the hole unless it goes in the hole

Baseball you don't have to stop the ball at a certain point

How can knowing the distance to the hole by counting steps be harmful?

Seems like it can only be helpful

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 04:16 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

I don't know much about baseball or even golf

But it seems like golf you need to be very very precise in putting because you have to stop the ball very close to the hole unless it goes in the hole

Baseball you don't have to stop the ball at a certain point

How can knowing the distance to the hole by counting steps be harmful?

Seems like it can only be helpful

The point is that distance is instinctual.  Give your kid a ball and have them toss it underhanded to you.  I think you'll find that they don't need to know how far away you are to toss it into your hand.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 04:37 PM

View Postleezer99, on 19 September 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

I don't know much about baseball or even golf

But it seems like golf you need to be very very precise in putting because you have to stop the ball very close to the hole unless it goes in the hole

Baseball you don't have to stop the ball at a certain point

How can knowing the distance to the hole by counting steps be harmful?

Seems like it can only be helpful

The point is that distance is instinctual.  Give your kid a ball and have them toss it underhanded to you.  I think you'll find that they don't need to know how far away you are to toss it into your hand.

But what if your hand isn’t there?

Where the ball stops depends on so many different factors

Most important being distance?

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 05:25 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 19 September 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

View PostGolfer4Life, on 19 September 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

I only go halfway to read the break and that's it.  On straight putts I don't even bother.

I think for Junior golfers is not a bad thing, but I think the coach or parent should be mindful of pace of play.

I love it when people venture to the Junior Section to give advice when they aren't regulars here.  I see you have a 15 handicap.  You do realize that the majority of these juniors we are talking about are better than you?  Yet you venture over here to throw your 2 cents in.  Maybe you are a 15 handicap because you are not looking at the hole from both sides.  Thanks for nothing.

I bet you're fun at parties.

Didn't realize the Junior Section was so exclusive (I'm a single digit HC, am I good enough to post here?)

*cue the berating by this special guy because now I too, have added my 2c* (which is literally the entire point of an internet forum, BTW)

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 05:26 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 19 September 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

I don't know much about baseball or even golf

But it seems like golf you need to be very very precise in putting because you have to stop the ball very close to the hole unless it goes in the hole

Baseball you don't have to stop the ball at a certain point

How can knowing the distance to the hole by counting steps be harmful?

Seems like it can only be helpful

The point is that distance is instinctual.  Give your kid a ball and have them toss it underhanded to you.  I think you'll find that they don't need to know how far away you are to toss it into your hand.

But what if your hand isn’t there?

Where the ball stops depends on so many different factors

Most important being distance?

If your kid knew you were ten feet away would they throw it harder or softer than if they didn't know how far away you were?  It's not like your putting without there being a hole in the way.  What if they paced it off and it was 10 feet but uphill... do you still hit a 10 foot putt?  How about a downhill left to right putt that you have to play three feet of break on?  Still going to hit a 10 foot putt?


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 07:06 PM

View Postleezer99, on 19 September 2018 - 05:26 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 19 September 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

I don't know much about baseball or even golf

But it seems like golf you need to be very very precise in putting because you have to stop the ball very close to the hole unless it goes in the hole

Baseball you don't have to stop the ball at a certain point

How can knowing the distance to the hole by counting steps be harmful?

Seems like it can only be helpful

The point is that distance is instinctual.  Give your kid a ball and have them toss it underhanded to you.  I think you'll find that they don't need to know how far away you are to toss it into your hand.

But what if your hand isn’t there?

Where the ball stops depends on so many different factors

Most important being distance?

If your kid knew you were ten feet away would they throw it harder or softer than if they didn't know how far away you were?  It's not like your putting without there being a hole in the way.  What if they paced it off and it was 10 feet but uphill... do you still hit a 10 foot putt?  How about a downhill left to right putt that you have to play three feet of break on?  Still going to hit a 10 foot putt?

I don’t know

I am not a good player

But my daughter is athletic (strong, fast, coordinated) and she is learning fast

She could become a good player some day

She counts steps to hole

Should I tell her to stop?

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:33 PM

View Postleezer99, on 17 September 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:


All of our local tours use the AJGA pace of play policy. First player finished with a hole goes to the next tee while the others finish out.  The Must, Must, May policy works.

Curious, how does that work when it comes to marking scores?

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:59 PM

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 07:06 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 19 September 2018 - 05:26 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 19 September 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

View PostTigerMom, on 19 September 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

I don't know much about baseball or even golf

But it seems like golf you need to be very very precise in putting because you have to stop the ball very close to the hole unless it goes in the hole

Baseball you don't have to stop the ball at a certain point

How can knowing the distance to the hole by counting steps be harmful?

Seems like it can only be helpful

The point is that distance is instinctual.  Give your kid a ball and have them toss it underhanded to you.  I think you'll find that they don't need to know how far away you are to toss it into your hand.

But what if your hand isn’t there?

Where the ball stops depends on so many different factors

Most important being distance?

If your kid knew you were ten feet away would they throw it harder or softer than if they didn't know how far away you were?  It's not like your putting without there being a hole in the way.  What if they paced it off and it was 10 feet but uphill... do you still hit a 10 foot putt?  How about a downhill left to right putt that you have to play three feet of break on?  Still going to hit a 10 foot putt?

I don’t know

I am not a good player

But my daughter is athletic (strong, fast, coordinated) and she is learning fast

She could become a good player some day

She counts steps to hole

Should I tell her to stop?

In my opinion, yes.  Look at this putt.  It's about six feet to the hole but the ball has to travel eight feet because of the break.  Hit a six foot putt and you're two feet short.

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That being said, she should always walk around the hole to get a view from both sides.

Edited by leezer99, 19 September 2018 - 09:03 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 09:02 PM

View PostBertGA, on 19 September 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 September 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

All of our local tours use the AJGA pace of play policy. First player finished with a hole goes to the next tee while the others finish out.  The Must, Must, May policy works.

Curious, how does that work when it comes to marking scores?
  • Realize your group is "on the clock" as soon as you play from the teeing ground on your first hole.
  • Play ready golf throughout your entire round.
  • MUST, MUST, MAY
    • MUST – The first player to finish playing a hole MUST immediately grab their bag and start making their way to the next tee. In doing this the player walking ahead is expected to be quiet and courteous to its fellow-competitors. The player should periodically look back to watch the other player’s shots.
    • MUST – The player MUST also be the first person to play from the next teeing ground. This player must be getting their yardage and determining club selection while the other players are finishing the previous hole and walking to the tee.
    • MAY – This player MAY tee off if they want to. All players must confirm scores on the previous hole prior to leaving the tee.
  • When spotters, officials or parents are available to help search for a potentially lost ball, the AJGA recommends that the other players go forward to play his next shot or shots and HOLD THE GROUP'S POSITION ON THE GOLF COURSE.
  • WALK WITH A PURPOSE between shots!


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 11:27 PM

View Postleezer99, on 19 September 2018 - 09:02 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 19 September 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 September 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

All of our local tours use the AJGA pace of play policy. First player finished with a hole goes to the next tee while the others finish out.  The Must, Must, May policy works.

Curious, how does that work when it comes to marking scores?
  • Realize your group is "on the clock" as soon as you play from the teeing ground on your first hole.
  • Play ready golf throughout your entire round.
  • MUST, MUST, MAY
    • MUST – The first player to finish playing a hole MUST immediately grab their bag and start making their way to the next tee. In doing this the player walking ahead is expected to be quiet and courteous to its fellow-competitors. The player should periodically look back to watch the other player’s shots.
    • MUST – The player MUST also be the first person to play from the next teeing ground. This player must be getting their yardage and determining club selection while the other players are finishing the previous hole and walking to the tee.
    • MAY – This player MAY tee off if they want to. All players must confirm scores on the previous hole prior to leaving the tee.
        
  • When spotters, officials or parents are available to help search for a potentially lost ball, the AJGA recommends that the other players go forward to play his next shot or shots and HOLD THE GROUP'S POSITION ON THE GOLF COURSE.
  • WALK WITH A PURPOSE between shots!

In that case its ready golf correct? They dont give honors?  Some kids want the tee first if they have honors.  Maybe a mental thing, but to some it really matters.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 11:31 PM

I don’t come in here much but I’m just curious.... Are you telling me that six and seven-year-olds are walking off putts  by counting how many steps they are from their ball to the hole?

WTF???!!!

Absoluteltly terrible idea. Kids need to learn to develope an ATHLETIC  sense of feel not an ANALYTICAL sense of feel.
Spend hours on the putting  green playing games with them. Their sub conscious will take care of the rest.

Counting steps?  Wow

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 11:58 PM

View Postisaacbm, on 19 September 2018 - 11:31 PM, said:

I don’t come in here much but I’m just curious.... Are you telling me that six and seven-year-olds are walking off putts  by counting how many steps they are from their ball to the hole?

WTF???!!!

Absoluteltly terrible idea. Kids need to learn to develope an ATHLETIC  sense of feel not an ANALYTICAL sense of feel.
Spend hours on the putting  green playing games with them. Their sub conscious will take care of the rest.

Counting steps?  Wow

Yes its happening a lot.  I see it more among girls but a lot of the boys are doing it too.  I try to teach my son to play in preparation for the future.  He has the same routine everytime.  I tell him one thing before he hits the ball and that’s ‘good swing’ from there its all him.  On the green I ask him what he thinks and we go with it unless I see something totally different.

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 12:02 AM

View Postkekoa, on 19 September 2018 - 11:27 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 19 September 2018 - 09:02 PM, said:

View PostBertGA, on 19 September 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 September 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

All of our local tours use the AJGA pace of play policy. First player finished with a hole goes to the next tee while the others finish out.  The Must, Must, May policy works.

Curious, how does that work when it comes to marking scores?
  • Realize your group is "on the clock" as soon as you play from the teeing ground on your first hole.
  • Play ready golf throughout your entire round.
  • MUST, MUST, MAY
    • MUST – The first player to finish playing a hole MUST immediately grab their bag and start making their way to the next tee. In doing this the player walking ahead is expected to be quiet and courteous to its fellow-competitors. The player should periodically look back to watch the other player’s shots.
    • MUST – The player MUST also be the first person to play from the next teeing ground. This player must be getting their yardage and determining club selection while the other players are finishing the previous hole and walking to the tee.
    • MAY – This player MAY tee off if they want to. All players must confirm scores on the previous hole prior to leaving the tee.
  • When spotters, officials or parents are available to help search for a potentially lost ball, the AJGA recommends that the other players go forward to play his next shot or shots and HOLD THE GROUP'S POSITION ON THE GOLF COURSE.
  • WALK WITH A PURPOSE between shots!

In that case its ready golf correct? They dont give honors?  Some kids want the tee first if they have honors.  Maybe a mental thing, but to some it really matters.

Most kids at US Kids play honors, even though our local director tells players to play ready golf.  

I like the later much better, for pace of play reason.

Edited by mrshinsa, 20 September 2018 - 12:02 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2018 - 05:19 AM

A few years ago we used to actually practice for the DCP so we got used to doing 6’, 15’, and 30’ putts and started using that as a reference during tourneys.  So he’s now 9 and still judges distance based off of that.  He doesn’t need to walk it off, just can tell based on looking and having that familiarity.

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 06:20 AM

View Postkekoa, on 19 September 2018 - 11:27 PM, said:


In that case its ready golf correct? They dont give honors?  Some kids want the tee first if they have honors.  Maybe a mental thing, but to some it really matters.


They're going to have to get over it.


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