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#1 jr55

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:11 PM

Hi guys, my name's Jim and I'm new to the forum and new to the game of golf. Found this forum and thought it would be a good place to ask this question.

I recently came across an old wooden driver that has the name Dwight D Eisenhower carved into the head and also engraved into the nameplate along with 5 stars and the word "personal".
No other markings on the club that i can see except the shaft is labeled "true temper dynamic 286".


I know that President Eisenhower was an avid golfer but was curious if anyone could tell me anything about this club. Any chance it could it have been one of Pres. Eisenhower's?

Thanks for taking a look and any information that you may have.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:19 PM

Very possible you have found the real unicorn !
Bob Klectke, pro at Augusta, was a Spaulding staffer.
He helped the president with his game

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:37 PM

View Postxgolfx, on 12 September 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

Very possible you have found the real unicorn !
Bob Klectke, pro at Augusta, was a Spaulding staffer.
He helped the president with his game

CHARLEY PENNA


Thanks for the reply and I'd be pretty excited if it turns out to be true!

I don't know how to begin researching this though, I can't even identify the manufacture. The shaft says "true temper dynamic" - would that be consistent with a 1950's era Spalding? I don't think Spalding even makes golf clubs anymore, and clearly I'm a complete novice to the game and the history. Hoping to learn though.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:02 PM

That is a really cool find!  It's a nice looking piece of wood that's for sure.  I can't imagine it being anything other than the real deal.  

Posting this in the "Thrift Store jackpot" thread would be legendary.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:18 PM

Selling it on eBay for a couple grand would be even more legendary!!!

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:45 PM

You would have to find out if a company produced replicas of what DDE used.  

IE I have a Cleveland Byron Nelson, which is clearly a replica, since I bought it when new.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:52 PM

View PostArtMBgolf, on 12 September 2018 - 08:45 PM, said:

You would have to find out if a company produced replicas of what DDE used.  

IE I have a Cleveland Byron Nelson, which is clearly a replica, since I bought it when new.

Exactly, but I donít even know what brand this is supposed to be. Spalding I assume, but itís not marked.

Hoping that if someone on the forum can tell me a little more about the club itself, it would help me as I research it. For starters, what model is it, and has anyone seen the ďpersonalĒ label before on these vintage drivers?


Edited by jr55, 12 September 2018 - 08:57 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 09:45 PM

You might want to look at pictures of DDE golf or with golf clubs. I would start with google

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 12:42 AM

Positively Spalding, sure RTJ would be certain to outfit angc's  most famous member after himself with ag Spalding, tell us how you found it???

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 02:26 AM

I found this...

https://www.golf.com...bs-sold-auction

https://tinyurl.com/ybba87sw


Doesn't preclude their possibly being replicas, but they sure look to be something similar.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 03:51 AM

Sleuthing around the internet finds anecdotal information as to what you may have.  Nothing definitive and I defer to those much more knowledgeable.

DDE would only play Spalding clubs (confirming what Moco posted).  And only irons stamped RTJ, Jr.  His set would typically be stamped "General Ike" and/or "five star".  That sole plate say 50's Spaldings and earlier, unlike those in this article.  Keep in mind that DDE became a 5 star general on 12/20/44.  Didn't join ANGC until 10/48.  Would stand to reason, any clubs bearing a signature stamping would have likely been after these dates.

https://www.golf.com...-equipment.html

An auction from 2008 of DDE 50's vintage "Game Used Golf Clubs".  Note the sole plate of the woods having the same shape as yours, but having the Spalding stamping rather than Personal.  The inserts are different as well.  But the stamped signature is consistent.  

https://sports.ha.co...e/a/709-19577.s

Speculating on the "Personal" stamping.  Perhaps indicating that this was a commemorative club from Spalding's custom shop.  The 3 screw, black insert suggests RTJ, Jr. Kro-Flite models, rather than 50's era Spalding "Pro Line" models I've been observing.  That were typically all red or multi-color.  

Hard to imagine that a D from a one-of-a-kind "Personal" set of DDE clubs would get separated from the remainder.  Any provenance you could provide would certainly enhance the value.  Nevertheless, a very cool club.  Thanks for sharing it with us.

Edited by Fellaheen51, 13 September 2018 - 03:57 AM.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 06:00 AM

Thanks for these insights guys, itís very helpful and sincerely appreciated!

Itís good to know at least that itís definitely a Spalding - I was confused as every other model Iíd seen had the Spalding stamp on the footplate in place of this oneís ďpersonalĒ stamp. I could try to contact the Spalding company directly and see if they have any additional info, but I think theyíre mostly basketballs these days. Would anyone here know if the true temper dynamic shaft is consistent with a 40ís-50ís Spalding?

Iíll keep researching the club myself and report back any findings.
Thanks again to everyone who took the time to respond. You guys are great and this is a terrific forum!

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 06:44 AM

View Postjr55, on 13 September 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Thanks for these insights guys, it's very helpful and sincerely appreciated!

It's good to know at least that it's definitely a Spalding - I was confused as every other model I'd seen had the Spalding stamp on the footplate in place of this one's "personal" stamp. I could try to contact the Spalding company directly and see if they have any additional info, but I think they're mostly basketballs these days. Would anyone here know if the true temper dynamic shaft is consistent with a 40's-50's Spalding?

I'll keep researching the club myself and report back any findings.
Thanks again to everyone who took the time to respond. You guys are great and this is a terrific forum!

Research indicates the "Dynamic" name was introduced in 1942, and the company that produced it was formally renamed True Temper in 1949.  So yes, consistent with the timeline.
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Posted 13 September 2018 - 06:56 AM

Thanks Fellaheen!

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:45 AM

Try to get Bob Kletcke . He’s retired but try to get him through the PGA  OR Google

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 03:19 PM

Will do. Thanks Charley

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:46 PM

View Postxgolfx, on 13 September 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

Try to get Bob Kletcke . He’s retired but try to get him through the PGA  OR Google

CHARLEY PENNA

as Usual, Charley, you are a goldmine of golf info.  If Kletcke is still alive that should be a great source of info as well as validation of the clubs authenticity..  Looks like the real deal to me, based on the few Spalding
woods I have owned or seen.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:57 PM

You can find Bob at Grandfather Mountain Golf Course in North Carolina

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:27 AM

I have a connection at Grandfather Mountain.  Message me and Iíll see what I can dig up after I get back home after the storm.  My boss at Yeamans Hall is getting ready to take the GM position at Grandfather Mountain and Iím sure would be willing to help out with this.

Edited by oldschoolrocker, 14 September 2018 - 07:28 AM.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 02:01 PM

Thanks oldschool, thatís very generous of you and I greatly appreciate whatever help your friend could offer.

I tried contacting Spalding directly with the registration number and got nowhere.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 02:14 PM

WOW!! This is going to be one dynamic thread to keep a watch on. This is better than any mystery on TV and no violence to boot. Can't get any better than this. Got Mr Penna and Mr Moore on this and Randy doing the detective work!!!
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:27 PM

View Postjr55, on 14 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Thanks oldschool, that's very generous of you and I greatly appreciate whatever help your friend could offer.

I tried contacting Spalding directly with the registration number and got nowhere.


Spalding sold off their golf operations to Callaway, I believe.  You could try them, but I don't know that they would have kept all that info...
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Posted 16 September 2018 - 10:37 AM

Bob had a place for years at Grandfather. When Augusta was closed he would spend time up there. When he and Dave Spencer retired thatís where he went. You will have no problem finding him. I would just call up there and the Pro Shop can help you.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 10:46 AM

I would make sure and keep it in the condition it is now. Don't try to clean it up, that would be a big mistake. It needs to stay original.

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 12:23 PM

Going to jump in on this thread with a related story.  I had a friend in St. Louis back in the late 80's that had some clubs, from Spalding, that he had ordered personally from Spalding and they had his name on them.  A guy that he played golf with really liked them and contacted Spalding with the serial number to get a similar set for himself.  Imagine his surprise when they arrived with his buddy's name on them!  That's how precise their record keeping was back then.

So if the club is not legit, It may be, at least, an exact match to what the president had made for himself.

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 01:45 PM

From what I understand, Ike had more than one set, probably at different locations. The Spaldings were regulars at Augusta.
There's an article on the GOLF site, March 30, 2011. Tried to copy link, but phone not cooperating!

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 08:29 PM

Thanks again for all your input guys. Best I can tell the club is genuine but currently neither Spalding nor Callaway can access archive records to track the registration number, which would likely put this mystery to bed.

Meanwhile I've looked at every photo of every club I could find attributed to DDE, even communicating directly with the folks at the Eisenhower museum in Abeline, and while many appear very similar, none have the "Personal" designation in place of the "Spalding" stamp. Eisenhower was known to have many sets of clubs but I have yet been able to find another like this. Not sure what that means, but unless another one surfaces, or Spalding finds their archival records, the mystery may remain forever unsolved.

Is this a lost "personal" club of our 34th president? We may never know, but it's a pretty nice looking vintage wood that might just have a story to tell someday.

Thanks for indulging me, you seem like a great bunch, and I'm hoping to learn more about this great game from all of you.

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 07:19 AM

This is so freaking cool!!

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 06:15 PM

I talked with the incoming GM of Grandfather today and he is willing to help us in our quest.  Just give him some time to get his wet feet up there and heíll be more than happy to approach Mr. Kletcke with the information.

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