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Would you join a "Just Golf " course.

Would you wife Ok it?

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#121 gatorMD

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Posted 25 November 2018 - 01:46 PM

 scooterboy59, on 11 September 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

1. Would you join a course that is just golf? No pool, tennis, fine dining, gym . It may have a snack bar. Golf course is great and dues are moderate say $2000 a year.
2. Would you join a course that allows you only to play golf at certain times say after 1 . No real club house privledges. Course is outstanding  and national ranked. Dues in the $3000 + range.
3.Could you sell this to your wife?

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Posted 25 November 2018 - 01:53 PM

 fairways4life, on 25 November 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

"Golf" only is the "the" only way in my opinion. I would love to see more clubs do away with the big clubhouses and other unnecessary amenities. You can keep dues so much lower when you aren't financing a $3 million clubhouse. You can devote a greater portion of the dues to the actual golf course and probably make some gains in shedding the whole "elitist" stereotype and maybe bring some more people into the game with greater affordability.  

Unfortunately, it seems like these types of clubs are an endangered species. There are about a dozen private clubs within 30 minutes from me and not a single one abides by this model.

There are a lot of assumptions about relative value built into this comment.

In our case, fewer than 20% of the members play golf (defined as more than one round per year). If you stripped away all of the other expenses and paid for just golf course maintenance, but asked that 20% to cover the whole cost, dues would be the same (but the club would be much smaller).

So if youíre in that 20%, one way to look at it is that you pay for a top-notch golf only club...and all the other amenities are available at no additional cost.

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 11:08 PM

 scooterboy59, on 11 September 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

1. Would you join a course that is just golf? No pool, tennis, fine dining, gym . It may have a snack bar. Golf course is great and dues are moderate say $2000 a year.
2. Would you join a course that allows you only to play golf at certain times say after 1 . No real club house privledges. Course is outstanding  and national ranked. Dues in the $3000 + range.
3.Could you sell this to your wife?

That's called a "semi-private" that is a public course with 6 hour rounds.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:11 PM

1: Yes to just golf.
2: Big NO to playing at certain time only. Especially paying for a membership not being able to play when I want.
3: Wife is very understanding. No need to explain.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:41 PM

 schley, on 24 September 2018 - 07:35 AM, said:

This place already exists.  Black Sheep Golf Club about 45 minutes West of Chicago. MEN ONLY, nothing but the golf course, small pro shop, locker room and bar.  NO grill, just some sandwiches and a bar.  27 holes and an ideal man's hangout.

https://www.blacksheepgolfclub.com/

This would appeal to me greatly.

I live in a small market and we have two semi-private fully public courses you can pay for privileges annually and they are about $2500 per year and one private club.  The club assessed the membership for a huge clubhouse during the heydays and it is under utilized and in my opinion hurts the balance sheet these days.  At one point they did charge a handsome initiation fee but those days are long gone.  I signed on for a one year intro membership that gave me all access other than voting and my wife never went there once without me.  So, it was pretty clear that any and all use was for me alone.  I never even saw the swimming pool other than from the window of the club house.

I think it's curious, considering our minimum wage is pretty high here, how good of a course you could have with a skeleton crew.  It seems that if everyone is going to make a livable wage that goods and services are going to be really expensive and employees really have to pull their weight.  I don't know how many guys are willing to jump off the mower and come in and clean the toilets in the locker room, but that's the kind of efficiency I think is necessary.  4 or 5 employees busting as$ and a couple hundred members at least.


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Posted 28 November 2018 - 09:14 PM

For me....all golf course is fine...but if you have a wife and/or family...a full-service club is far better.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 12:09 PM

Yep golf is all that matters to me as far as joining a club. Iím very fortunate to be at an awesome club with all the bells and whistles...Iíve used amenities 2-3 times the whole year but golf nearly daily in the summer.

That being said Iím so zoned on playing that there is no time left to waste hanging out or doing other stuff at the club. All golf all the time is the way to go ;)
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 12:33 PM

Just golf, nothing else, works for me, so definatelly #1 for me!

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 12:45 PM

All I need is a course and a few cold ones and I'm good.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:24 PM

Option #1 is great until you realize the course is not maintained and is over crowded so the rounds are 5 hours.

The problem is not very nice places donít also have all the other stuff that goes with it.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 05:33 PM

probably already mentioned, but RTJ Platinum membership is basically #1 with several courses around the state included.  $1800 btw

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:23 PM

it's like asking "would you join a just lap dance with curtains club".

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:09 PM

Definitely yes to number one. Golf is all you need. You have time to swim, you have time to golf.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 06:15 PM

1) Yes but not ideal. A range is great to really work on your game, i think itís a vital part of a membership.

2) Yes if that time allows you to get close to what you paid out for the rounds you can get in, plus the range :-)

3) YEP.
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Posted 09 December 2018 - 10:13 PM

 scooterboy59, on 11 September 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

1. Would you join a course that is just golf? No pool, tennis, fine dining, gym . It may have a snack bar. Golf course is great and dues are moderate say $2000 a year.

This describes the semi-private membership (annual) for several courses in St. Clair Co., IL, near St. Louis.

Where I play, two semi-p options are available: The Couples Selective (full play during week, after 11 AM weekends and holidays) costs $2,750 a year flat rate. Couples Premium (no restrictions) is $4,800. Range balls and carts included with both.

And, you can get reciprocal  discount greens fees at other clubs in the management network.

The "no fine dining" phrase needs clarification. These courses have a snack bar with brats and burgers, and some pre-wrapped turkey or ham sandwiches, and a bar. That said, these venues make a lot of their annual revenues from hosting both tournaments and social events like wedding receptions and banquets. The head chef can put out a nice meal spread, or work with caterers to set one up. But, no white table cloth under your burger at the turn.

Private-equity country clubs find that the full service fancy restaurant can be a financial drain. A few years ago, a Wall Street Journal story reported that the average mainline country club loses $150K a year on food service.

In fact, golf and country club rough accounting allocates all costs into golf - course maintenance and operations - or lunch - everything else.

A couple of semi-private clubs have pools, but these are for the residents of the housing development rather than the drop-in golfers.

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 03:08 PM

I just don't like the idea of being tied to just one course. In my area (Sacramento/Rocklin/Roseville), we have 8-10 excellent public courses within 30 minutes, so just committing to just 1 is not worth it to me. Average round cost is $40-50, somewhat higher on weekend mornings, but even then, GolfNow deals can be found pretty easily. Most have restaurants/bars, and if not, we have plenty of choices off-site and near courses.

The only thing that would entice me is unlimited range balls and a great short game area. I like to practice, but $10/bucket gets expensive when you're really working on a swing change.

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 04:51 PM

 bluefishercat, on 11 September 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

Yes I belong to one that is just golf and dues are half that.
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Make sense its in Vermont not SoCal lol...
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