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 eagle1997, on 04 September 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

 Obee, on 04 September 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

Yes, I am setting my hands MUCH higher with driver as a result of watching him.

Interesting.  Did you adjust the settings on your driver at all?

I've been playing the F7 One Length since late last year.  

It took a decent amount of time for me to adjust... and I still have BAD days (pun intended).

I immediately loved the longer 9i and wedge tho, especially the built-in increased peak apex, as I never was a high ball hitter to begin with.

As always, Your Results May Vary.

For years when I was younger, I played kind of like Moe Norman and DID have my hands high. I gradually moved away from that to where I'm kind of hunched over and my arms hang very low. I've always struggled with my posture being too "bent over" at address, so I just thought: "What would happen if I felt like I was standing straighter up and extended my arms out a bit form my body." And I liked the way it felt and I liked the way I was hitting the ball that way. Going to stick with it with the driver for a bit....

Edited by Obee, 04 September 2018 - 06:55 PM.

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 pwahmy, on 04 September 2018 - 10:12 AM, said:

 JD3, on 04 September 2018 - 07:06 AM, said:

Not me. Not now anyway

the guy is a literal genius no way to copy  him (for me at least) without having his intelligence + talent

He's as much of a genius as he is an NFL linebacker

[BB28403]

Hellllllllllllllll Noooooo

[NoTalentLefty]

No but it’s a sound swing.

[Obee]

 pwahmy, on 04 September 2018 - 11:54 AM, said:

 Obee, on 04 September 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:

 pwahmy, on 04 September 2018 - 10:12 AM, said:

 JD3, on 04 September 2018 - 07:06 AM, said:

Not me. Not now anyway

the guy is a literal genius no way to copy  him (for me at least) without having his intelligence + talent

You're kidding, right?

His mental prowess as a math/science whiz (which may or may not be genius-level) has nothing to do with his golf swing and the fact that he uses a set of (mostly) same-length clubs.

Anybody can try to emulate that swing -- and many people would probably have solid results by incorporating some/most/all of what he does. Some would hate it, of course.

I believe you skipped over the “(for me at least)” it may work for a lot of people but too much thinking and would drive myself crazy. Have a good one

I still don't get it. What about his swing makes you have to "think" more? Not trying to be a jerk, just totally don't get that.

[Jasonic]

I thought his whole thing was to take variable out so not to think

And no he’s not on a freaking “genius level” with physics. Just stop. When he annoyingly named back muscles that were tight earlier in the year he actually incorrectly named muscles. It’s a facade.

Edited by Jasonic, 04 September 2018 - 07:32 PM.

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 Jasonic, on 04 September 2018 - 07:28 PM, said:

I thought his whole thing was to take variable out so not to think

And no he's not on a freaking "genius level" with physics. Just stop. When he annoyingly named back muscles that were tight earlier in the year he actually incorrectly named muscles. It's a facade.

So, he's not a PHYSICS genius because he uses incorrect ANATOMY terminology.

Thanks for playing...

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 games, on 04 September 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

 Jasonic, on 04 September 2018 - 07:28 PM, said:

I thought his whole thing was to take variable out so not to think

And no he's not on a freaking "genius level" with physics. Just stop. When he annoyingly named back muscles that were tight earlier in the year he actually incorrectly named muscles. It's a facade.

So, he's not a PHYSICS genius because he uses incorrect ANATOMY terminology.

Thanks for playing...

No, thank you for playing Spot the Snake Oil Salesman!
You lost btw.  No Conciliation prizes.  Sorry

[Redjeep83]

He takes his swing more across the line at the top these days vs what he use to. It was very much on a single plane years ago and the shaft would kinda topple a bit over the top on the downswing. I think he started taking it more across the line to help his plane on the downswing be more from the inside and it's obviously helped.

[Jagpilotohio]

 pwahmy, on 04 September 2018 - 10:12 AM, said:

 JD3, on 04 September 2018 - 07:06 AM, said:

Not me. Not now anyway

the guy is a literal genius no way to copy  him (for me at least) without having his intelligence + talent

I’d say he leans more toward idiot savant than genius.


....but he’s definitely very gifted with golf clubs.

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[LeoLeo99]

Two things I pretty much know to be true.

1.  There are people on this site that are smarter than Bryson.
2.  There is no one on this site that is better at golf than Bryson.

35 years ago, my cousin and I were discussing Moe Norman and his unique golf swing.  My cousin dismissed Moe as a savant.  Nothing to do with Moe's personality; just his golf swing.  

Now, 35 years later, we have another savant.  Except this one can putt.

[SullGolf]

In terms of equipment?  I'm trying out single-length now.  Not directly because of him, but indirectly certainly.  There are now manufacturers making single length clubs, and I have friends who've then used them and said good things.  That part is no different than how I figure out most of my impulse purchase.

In terms of my swing?  No.  The way I look at him is that he took an analytical approach and figured out what works for him.  If I did the same, I likely wouldn't end up doing it the same way as he does.

[PenetratingWedgeStinger]

When I think 'genius' especially in sports I think extraordinary innate talent. Bryson's main advantage seems to be an obsessive, meticulous and methodical approach to creating a simple, repeatable swing that works for him. Just because he uses numbers and tinkers with new techniques all the time doesn't make him a genius, but it does indicate a systematic drive for efficiency and improvement, and whether you like his swing or not, you can't deny that this approach is admirable. Definitely good for the game and for inspiring youngsters imo.

[games]

 PenetratingWedgeStinger, on 05 September 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

When I think 'genius' especially in sports I think extraordinary innate talent. Bryson's main advantage seems to be an obsessive, meticulous and methodical approach to creating a simple, repeatable swing that works for him. Just because he uses numbers and tinkers with new techniques all the time doesn't make him a genius, but it does indicate a systematic drive for efficiency and improvement, and whether you like his swing or not, you can't deny that this approach is admirable. Definitely good for the game and for inspiring youngsters imo.

Well said.  This thread should conclude with your post.

[Jasonic]

 games, on 04 September 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

 Jasonic, on 04 September 2018 - 07:28 PM, said:

I thought his whole thing was to take variable out so not to think

And no he's not on a freaking "genius level" with physics. Just stop. When he annoyingly named back muscles that were tight earlier in the year he actually incorrectly named muscles. It's a facade.

So, he's not a PHYSICS genius because he uses incorrect ANATOMY terminology.

Thanks for playing...

The point is if you’re trying to be the smartest guy in the room it helps to actually know what you’re talking about. When you don’t, you’re just an idiot.

[nyrican52884]

I'm a huge fan of Bryson. I'm an engineer, so I'm analytical as well.  About a year ago, I was messing around with the single plane Moe Norman swing, and I really like the idea of having hands high at setup and the trail arm aligned with club at setup, it has always worked for me from when I first started playing, just could never find someone that did the same and willing to recommend it.  

I got away from the Moe Norman swing, because I could not get my head around some of his mechanics, but I did stay with the hand grip and high hands at address.  I started doing more research and found out about BDC and started watching some of Kirk Junge's Setup 4 Impact videos.  I'm not a paid subscriber of his and he definitely pushes his website way too much, but for the most part I'm following his swing principles with great success.  It just makes sense to me and works for me.  I'm not saying it works for everyone.  

I did go to Top Golf a few weeks ago with some people that never hit a club and showed them this method (grip in the hands, trail arm inline with club shaft, turn body back and forth), and was getting some of them (including my wife) to make contact and get the ball to go straight. I think its a simplified swing that makes sense, but so many of us have been playing for so long, it would be difficult to change.

One thing I have found that works for me is pre-setting my body for the backswing.  I get into impact position, and then settle into setup position, and then turn my shoulders and hips a bit as I would in the backswing, but keeping the hands in place (sometimes even adding in some forward shaft lean).  I've never taped myself and I'm sure it looks strage, but works for me.

I believe we'll have a new generation of golfers that will model their swing after him, but we'll need to wait 20 years to see.

Edited by nyrican52884, 05 September 2018 - 01:54 PM.

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 pwahmy, on 04 September 2018 - 10:12 AM, said:

 JD3, on 04 September 2018 - 07:06 AM, said:

Not me. Not now anyway

the guy is a literal genius no way to copy  him (for me at least) without having his intelligence + talent

Never qualified for Academic All American status, which requires you to play at least 50% of matches (check), maintain a stroke average below 76 (check) and a GPA of at least 3.2 (hmmmmmm).

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 gators78, on 05 September 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

 pwahmy, on 04 September 2018 - 10:12 AM, said:

 JD3, on 04 September 2018 - 07:06 AM, said:

Not me. Not now anyway

the guy is a literal genius no way to copy  him (for me at least) without having his intelligence + talent

Never qualified for Academic All American status, which requires you to play at least 50% of matches (check), maintain a stroke average below 76 (check) and a GPA of at least 3.2 (hmmmmmm).

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[Krt22]

Im going to lift like brooks, set up like BAD, bow my wrist like DJ at the top, pause like Hideki, then fire my hips like Rory. I'll be on tour in no time!

[tdk8180]

No

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 Krt22, on 05 September 2018 - 06:54 PM, said:

Im going to lift like brooks, set up like BAD, bow my wrist like DJ at the top, pause like Hideki, then fire my hips like Rory. I'll be on tour in no time!

No love for Furyk?  Mr. 58.

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 NoTalentLefty, on 04 September 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

No but it’s a sound swing.

I changed my mind. Yes, to a degree that I can.
When a straight drive is called for, I have already tried raising my hands on the driver for years.

Edited by NoTalentLefty, 02 February 2019 - 04:50 PM.

[NPVWhiz]

Honestly, no amount of success from an unorthodox player would send me along that path.  Furyk, Wolff, BAD all have some way of converting their intentions with the swing into solid centered ball impact.  That is the only thing that seems to matter in the long run.

[Mych]

Not necessarily changing to copy him, but his theories and application of physics validate a lot of things that I have observed (and usually ignored) over the years. Being an engineer, I think in a very process and mechanically-oriented manner, so I have been much more open to thinking through the physics and trying things that make sense without always deferring to the conventional wisdom. I have moved to single-length irons with great results, but I think of Bryson as a great source of data which I can use to better understand the things I observe.

[jasonfish11]

I'm trying to emulate his impact position and club head speed at impact.  

I don't care how I get there, but if I can copy those 2 things I'd be very happy.

[Man_O_War]

a lot of amateurs actually set up like Bryson. no angle between the wrist and arms..and no wrist hinge...so his swing and power makes no sense to me. oh and he has dwarf shafted irons, same length...his driver and woods are long though.

[BrandonDunes]

Yeah he's got me talking more about the coefficient of restitution to my golf buddies in regards to leaving the flag in, so now I sound very smart.

[Sparklehorse]

If he wanted to , couldn't one suspect he'd be just as successful using other swing styles with different length clubs (he looks quite an athlete)?

[MonteScheinblum]

 Sparklehorse, on 05 February 2019 - 09:14 PM, said:

If he wanted to , couldn't one suspect he'd be just as successful using other swing styles with different length clubs (he looks quite an athlete)?

Bingo

[bluedot]

 MonteScheinblum, on 04 September 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

Golf instruction needs to STOP making great players about their anomalies.

Amen!  I think this is the correct takeaway, at least at this point.  And that in NO way should be taken as diminishing what Dechambeau has done.

I spent 39 years as a high school coach in multiple sports.  I think there are three critical things to keep in mind for Everyman as you watch a pro in any sport who is doing something unusual.

1. We only know what that pro is accomplishing the way they are doing things; we do NOT know what they would be doing were they playing in a more "conventional" manner.  There is a large gray area in between "because of" and "in spite of", and it is really hard to know where the lines are.

2. And, in any case, Everyman's ability to replicate what a professional athlete is doing is limited.

3. The more unconventional what a professional athlete is doing is, relative to other professionals in that sport, the LESS likely that is to be helpful to Everyman.  Azinger and Duval played a fade from very strong grips; doesn't mean I can or should.

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