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#1 smorg

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 12:52 PM

My first onset of the obsessive vintage club disease manifested itself 15 years ago when I picked a set of Mac MT split sole irons with aluminum shafts at a local thrift store.  Well,,, too many clubs to count since then, but yesterday I scored this near mint set of Mac MT split soles 2-10.  I don't think they were hit a dozen times and then put away.  The grips are still soft and pliable.  There isn't much gray area with the split sole MT's, either you love them or hate them.  I looked in the Kaplan Mac book to date them but came away confused.  The book shows MT markings on the face by the scoing lines for the 1969 and 1970 MT split sole models.  These have arrows identical to the 1970 VIP irons but these aren't VIP's.  Also found this an unusual set because of the extra length +1" shafts.  Comments appreciated.

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 03:42 PM

View Postsmorg, on 02 September 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

My first onset of the obsessive vintage club disease manifested itself 15 years ago when I picked a set of Mac MT split sole irons with aluminum shafts at a local thrift store.  Well,,, too many clubs to count since then, but yesterday I scored this near mint set of Mac MT split soles 2-10.  I don't think they were hit a dozen times and then put away.  The grips are still soft and pliable.  There isn't much gray area with the split sole MT's, either you love them or hate them.  I looked in the Kaplan Mac book to date them but came away confused.  The book shows MT markings on the face by the scoing lines for the 1969 and 1970 MT split sole models.  These have arrows identical to the 1970 VIP irons but these aren't VIP's.  Also found this an unusual set because of the extra length +1" shafts.  Comments appreciated.
What did you pay for these? They look really nice.
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Posted 02 September 2018 - 04:20 PM

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View Postsmorg, on 02 September 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

My first onset of the obsessive vintage club disease manifested itself 15 years ago when I picked a set of Mac MT split sole irons with aluminum shafts at a local thrift store.  Well,,, too many clubs to count since then, but yesterday I scored this near mint set of Mac MT split soles 2-10.  I don't think they were hit a dozen times and then put away.  The grips are still soft and pliable.  There isn't much gray area with the split sole MT's, either you love them or hate them.  I looked in the Kaplan Mac book to date them but came away confused.  The book shows MT markings on the face by the scoing lines for the 1969 and 1970 MT split sole models.  These have arrows identical to the 1970 VIP irons but these aren't VIP's.  Also found this an unusual set because of the extra length +1" shafts.  Comments appreciated.
What did you pay for these? They look really nice.
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Posted 02 September 2018 - 05:36 PM

What a steal! They look fantastic
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Posted 02 September 2018 - 06:56 PM

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What a steal! They look fantastic
'Thanks.  I'm thinking about playing these at the WI vintage outing on the 15th.  I don't need +1" length and really can hit stiff shaftsl, but ......these just look and feel so sweet.

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 10:05 PM

View Postsmorg, on 02 September 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

View Postbaloo, on 02 September 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:

What a steal! They look fantastic
'Thanks.  I'm thinking about playing these at the WI vintage outing on the 15th.  I don't need +1" length and really can hit stiff shaftsl, but ......these just look and feel so sweet.

Would love to see them in person
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Posted 03 September 2018 - 01:42 PM

Scott-

Have written at length about the MacGregor MT irons with Split-Level soles. Yes, MacGregor called these "Split-Level" soles.

Tom Weiskopf was in one of their first photo ad campaigns, though he was using a set of 985 Tourney Custom irons when we saw him.

With 1" long, it's likely you have a Special Order Custom set.

What's the Reg No?

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 03:11 PM

View Postrex235, on 03 September 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

Scott-

Have written at length about the MacGregor MT irons with Split-Level soles. Yes, MacGregor called these "Split-Level" soles.

Tom Weiskopf was in one of their first photo ad campaigns, though he was using a set of 985 Tourney Custom irons when we saw him.

With 1" long, it's likely you have a Special Order Custom set.

What's the Reg No?
3L1E37 is the registration number on the ferrules on all except the 10 iron which has a matching ferrule but no registration number.  The 10 iron shaft band also notes it as a Tourney Wedge Extra Length 1" versus Tourney Light Extra Length 1" that is on 2-9 irons.  I thought it might be a special order set but the arrow club face markings really puzzle me (unless the customer had a preference for them, or that's what MacGregor told him he was getting)?
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Posted 03 September 2018 - 06:47 PM

Scott-

"I thought it might be a special order set but the arrow club face markings really puzzle me ...."

?

According to the Kaplan Compilation of the MacGregor Catalogs-

Your clubs have the correct clubface design for the 1971 MacGregor Tourney MT with Tourney Lite steel shaft.  There are

photos of the club faces, and these are shown on pp.4-5 of the 1971 MacGregor Catalog.

It is really an exceptional forging, and the club grind may have been done by either Art Emerson or Don White, who did work on the Split-Level irons.

In an interview from October, 2012, Don White told me the Split Level irons were the first MacGregor iron grinds he did work on.  

They were very few LH MacGregor MT muscleback models- the one LH MT 10 iron with  a muscleback grind like yours had this same clubface < >  

The MT Split-Level irons were one of the rarest LH clubs from MacGregor, as the muscleback grind for nearly every LH MacGregor iron stops at the 9 iron,not the 10.(PW). One of the best examples were the M series Wingback irons

The back pad continues through the RH sets, some including the Sand Iron. Not so for the LH models.

And with lightweight steel shafts?

Yours is indeed a rare set, and their condition makes them quite the find.

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 07:40 PM

View Postrex235, on 03 September 2018 - 06:47 PM, said:

Scott-

"I thought it might be a special order set but the arrow club face markings really puzzle me ...."

?

According to the Kaplan Compilation of the MacGregor Catalogs-

Your clubs have the correct clubface design for the 1971 MacGregor Tourney MT with Tourney Lite steel shaft.  There are

photos of the club faces, and these are shown on pp.4-5 of the 1971 MacGregor Catalog.

It is really an exceptional forging, and the club grind may have been done by either Art Emerson or Don White, who did work on the Split-Level irons.

In an interview from October, 2012, Don White told me the Split Level irons were the first MacGregor iron grinds he did work on.  

They were very few LH MacGregor MT muscleback models- the one LH MT 10 iron with  a muscleback grind like yours had this same clubface < >  

The MT Split-Level irons were one of the rarest LH clubs from MacGregor, as the muscleback grind for nearly every LH MacGregor iron stops at the 9 iron,not the 10.(PW). One of the best examples were the M series Wingback irons

The back pad continues through the RH sets, some including the Sand Iron. Not so for the LH models.

And with lightweight steel shafts?

Yours is indeed a rare set, and their condition makes them quite the find.
Thanks for the information and background on this set. I only have the first edition Kaplan Mac book that goes through 1970, adding the 2nd edition along with his Wilson book to my acquisition list.

Edited by smorg, 03 September 2018 - 09:50 PM.

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 10:59 PM

My dad played MT split soles , pretty sure that exact model. He gamed them in the late 70s thru most of the 80s... he is a callaway Guy now

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 01:26 PM

I picked up a set of the VIP Split Soles 2-9 with  the "1" shafts in them...without a doubt, they are the stoutest shafts I've ever felt in irons. Absolute pipes.
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Posted 04 September 2018 - 03:03 PM

View Postsmorg, on 02 September 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

My first onset of the obsessive vintage club disease manifested itself 15 years ago when I picked a set of Mac MT split sole irons with aluminum shafts at a local thrift store.  Well,,, too many clubs to count since then, but yesterday I scored this near mint set of Mac MT split soles 2-10.  I don't think they were hit a dozen times and then put away.  The grips are still soft and pliable.  There isn't much gray area with the split sole MT's, either you love them or hate them.  I looked in the Kaplan Mac book to date them but came away confused.  The book shows MT markings on the face by the scoing lines for the 1969 and 1970 MT split sole models.  These have arrows identical to the 1970 VIP irons but these aren't VIP's.  Also found this an unusual set because of the extra length +1" shafts.  Comments appreciated.

Dude! Come visit me in South Florida this Winter and bring those along. We can both play our 71's.
I want to see how many new bunkers you create with those down here.  ;)

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:15 PM

Since we have anothe split level thread going  I feel obliged to post another pic of my babies...

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:32 PM

View PostTimV, on 04 September 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

View Postsmorg, on 02 September 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

My first onset of the obsessive vintage club disease manifested itself 15 years ago when I picked a set of Mac MT split sole irons with aluminum shafts at a local thrift store.  Well,,, too many clubs to count since then, but yesterday I scored this near mint set of Mac MT split soles 2-10.  I don't think they were hit a dozen times and then put away.  The grips are still soft and pliable.  There isn't much gray area with the split sole MT's, either you love them or hate them.  I looked in the Kaplan Mac book to date them but came away confused.  The book shows MT markings on the face by the scoing lines for the 1969 and 1970 MT split sole models.  These have arrows identical to the 1970 VIP irons but these aren't VIP's.  Also found this an unusual set because of the extra length +1" shafts.  Comments appreciated.

Dude! Come visit me in South Florida this Winter and bring those along. We can both play our 71's.
I want to see how many new bunkers you create with those down here.  ;)
Actually have had a couple of oil frackers call me and ask if I'd be interested in smacking shale.  Not a bad idea to venture south..it's Sept in the tundra and after the monsoons pass the snow flies.  Keep it in mind.  Thanks.

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:37 PM

View Postfluffy265, on 04 September 2018 - 08:15 PM, said:

Since we have anothe split level thread going  I feel obliged to post another pic of my babies...

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 04:32 AM

Last time I tried a set of Split Soles on the range they lost a golf cart and tee mower in the ditch I made
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Posted 06 September 2018 - 04:36 AM

View PostZNC Dandy, on 04 September 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

I picked up a set of the VIP Split Soles 2-9 with  the "1" shafts in them...without a doubt, they are the stoutest shafts I've ever felt in irons. Absolute pipes.
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Posted 06 September 2018 - 10:25 PM

Fluffy-

Yes- Either Art Emerson or Don White did those MacGregor Split/Level  71 ViPs too.

Unapologetically RH Only...  

Not to worry, there is a set (or two) of '69 LH MacGregor MT's that fills the bill quite nicely...

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 07:24 PM

View PostBIG STU, on 06 September 2018 - 04:32 AM, said:

Last time I tried a set of Split Soles on the range they lost a golf cart and tee mower in the ditch I made

Wow is that ever a nice set of irons!  They are in amazing condition.  I've never had a chance to try the split-level irons but I sure would like to. I've never run across a set.  I must say that a sole that narrow does scare me a little. Maybe even a lot.  Ha!  Like Stu mentions above, they look like they'd dig clean through to China if you let them get away on you.  I guess I'd better get me a set and give em' a rip. Nice find!



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Posted 07 September 2018 - 10:59 PM

I bidded won MacGregor irons of set by EBay

That's lady club of set.  I custom fitting there my new set.  

I pulled there steel shaft trimmed smaller than .335 hole hosel.   Stand drills, Reaming and Boring Vise  hole hosel .355 irons

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 11:28 PM

View PostOpinder, on 07 September 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:

I bidded won MacGregor irons of set by EBay

That's lady club of set.  I custom fitting there my new set.  

I pulled there steel shaft trimmed smaller than .335 hole hosel.   Stand drills, Reaming and Boring Vise  hole hosel .355 irons

- Nippon N.S. Pro 120s steel shafts
- A.W.T 2.0 Stiff by Nippon from Ping Golf special

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Nice job updating with the new shafts.  I like seeing that kind of thing.  Cool bag too.  


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Posted 08 September 2018 - 12:02 AM

Swingingk,

Thanks.

Myself paint acrylic for leather glossy "MacGregor" logo on bag.

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I'm not happy, I want more big "MacGregor" logo.  I've an idea, I ordered MacGregor two headcover wood color green/white shipping come soon next week. I can't wait to excited.

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Posted 08 September 2018 - 01:46 AM

View PostOpinder, on 07 September 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:

I bidded won MacGregor irons of set by EBay

That's lady club of set.  I custom fitting there my new set.  

I pulled there steel shaft trimmed smaller than .335 hole hosel.   Stand drills, Reaming and Boring Vise  hole hosel .355 irons

- Nippon N.S. Pro 120s steel shafts
- A.W.T 2.0 Stiff by Nippon from Ping Golf special

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Those are nice-- I am all about reshafting where one can play them. Love the Macgregor visor and putter cover. You also did an excellent job on the bag stencil
Driver: Homna G1-X Homna stiff shaft
FW TM V-Steel 5 wood 18* Pro Launch Blue
FW TM V-Steel 7 wood 21* Stock TM R
Irons 3 thru PW 1982 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts hard stepped-- Yeah MacHogans or Bastardized Macs
SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore
LW  Cleveland 588 60* DG Sensicore custom sole Scratch EGG style
Putter- Little David 8802 or 97 Scotty Santa Fe rusty as hell
Bag-- Original Ping Hoofer
Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want screw the USGA & R&A
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3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green
PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
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Posted 08 September 2018 - 01:57 PM

BIG STU,

Thanks,   Yes, re-shaft new steel shafts on MacGregor Custom MX irons. There are different lofts in 70's.

Originally.          I need more strong loft.
3 iron - 23 loft. -------- 22 loft
4 iron - 27 loft -------- 26 loft
5 iron - 30.5 loft ----- 29 loft
6 iron - 34 loft
7 iron - 38 loft
8 iron - 43 loft
9 iron - 47 loft

I worry, I don't want break the bore hosel iron. I think enough.

Callaway FT Tour 8.5 degree
Mizuno MST 13 degree
KZG iron hybird 18 degree

3-4 irons Maxfli Revolution back cavity 21 loft, 24 loft
5-PW Bullet Golf blade forged  TW 276 Forged
SW Cleveland 588-RTX. 56 16
LW Cleveland REG.588. 60 6

Odyssey White Hot #9

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Posted 09 September 2018 - 03:32 AM

OH yeah you are fine in just going 1*. When folks go to jacking them 3 or 4* and jerking on them hard to do so then there is when the problems with breakage start. Most breakages on forged irons come from lie adjustments because that can be radical and again people jerking hard trying to get the number in one big bend
Driver: Homna G1-X Homna stiff shaft
FW TM V-Steel 5 wood 18* Pro Launch Blue
FW TM V-Steel 7 wood 21* Stock TM R
Irons 3 thru PW 1982 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts hard stepped-- Yeah MacHogans or Bastardized Macs
SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore
LW  Cleveland 588 60* DG Sensicore custom sole Scratch EGG style
Putter- Little David 8802 or 97 Scotty Santa Fe rusty as hell
Bag-- Original Ping Hoofer
Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want screw the USGA & R&A
Redneck Hippie Golf When the Tailgate drops the BS Stops
Vintage
Toney Penna Model 11 Aldila HM-40
3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green
PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
SW Macgregor LRA 56* TT Wedge Stiff DJ Special
Putter ( subject to change) Cleveland 8802 Designed By
Bag Old School Titleist Stand

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