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#61 Sabumnim3

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:29 AM

Sorry, but itís a trip reading most the opinions on here from people that have little to no knowledge of what theyíre talking about. Iíve taught and trained various forms of martial arts for over 30 years with some of the top instructors in the world and still run a school today.

There are so many variables that come into play during a ďstreetĒ fight that itís not cut ní dry but to say that someone who has no training would somehow have an advantage or at least a fair fight against someone well trained is just foolish. Itís no different than taking someone whoís never golfed and expecting them to beat a scratch golfer.

Brazilian Jujitsu is great but limited in its practice. Any form of Danzan Ryu will give you a more well-rounded experience especially when it comes to striking, which according to many on here isnít important in a fight🤦🏼‍♂️. You also get all the ground work that BJJ took from the Japanese systems. That being said, the most effective system for striking and weapons defense is Filipino systems of Eskrima, Kadena de Mano, Larga Mano etc... What will make you the best practitioner is the ability to take multiple arts and be able to blend them. The art I teach is essentially a fusion of many forms.

I aplologize if it seems like Iím lecturing but itís my livelihood and something Iím well versed in. I always enjoy discussing this with the ďI watch UFCĒ or ďmy cousinís friend has a black beltĒ crowd. Not trying to hate, just educate...


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:15 AM

Mike is right above. I have been in around 9-10 good fights. Most I have won but a couple got the best of me. One I needed to run from and was drunk but after getting sucker punched I couldnít walk let alone drive but jumped in my Jeep and ran!!! But I never had any real training other than what my Vietnam Vet father taught me. Plus playing sports and knowing how to punch from always punching things. My old man was trained in forms of Judo, JujiI and Karate but was meant for hand to hand combat in the jungle against an enemy who knew these as well but much smaller people. But what helped me the most was my rage because once my switch is flipped you will need to knock me out or my Adrenalin stops. I have fainted after fights from all the sugar I burned.

Remember when UFC was all about brawls most were Black Belt type Karate experts. I wouldnít fight any BB or trained fighter and most of those guys who have training donít pick fights.

I also grew up with some tough buds who faught in UFC sanction fights. One was a Div 1 wrestler and the other was just a brawler. Two completely different weight classes but personally saw them fight a few times. These werenít guys looking for fights either. Instead fights seem to always find them, or me.

Anyways anything organized for a child is awesome. I would bet your child who knows Karate would Smoke any other kid who doesnít. But when there is a size/strengt difference it might not matter just as. Bladehunter deacribed.

Only way to know is to stop being sissies on her guessing and get out there and get into a fight. Otherwise get back to golf and stop acting tough or that you know something!
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Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:26 AM

Benny bringiní the fire!!

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:44 AM

This thread is getting hilarious now.

Thanks, guys.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 03:47 PM

Most memorable to me is that many street fights happen in groups/packs and erupt quickly and are chaotic. Keep your feet, don't take down, and be aware of what is on all sides cause on the ground, you're a target for multiple people to start clobbering you.

Also, even one on one, it's often some aggressor who takes offense, that crazy person who without warning comes over and tries to pop you. In those cases, training is good so you are natural at slipping and countering in one move rather than just covering up.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 03:49 PM

All things being equal, someone who has self defense or any type of combat training & live sparring is going to have an advantage over Joe Blow.

The obsession over "street fights" is silly.  Just don't get in them.  Avoid confrontation or being out at the bars too late.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 03:58 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 25 January 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

Most memorable to me is that many street fights happen is groups and erupt quickly and are chaotic. Keep your feet, don't take down, and be aware of what is on all sides cause on the ground, you're a target for multiple people to start clobbering you.

Also, even one on one, it's often some aggressor who takes offense, that crazy person who without warning comes over and tries to pop you. In those cases, training is good so you are natural at slipping and countering in one move rather than just covering up.

Yes, very chaotic.  Even guys who fight for a living, in group situations, things get messy.  Just look at the Diaz brothers brawl against Mayhem Miller, or the Khabib camp vs Conor camp nonsense.

It's a crapshoot.

Bas Rutten was on Joe Rogan's podcast and was talking about fighting in general, and his biggest worry is that a lot of schools out there instill a completely false sense of confidence in people who go to the dojo a few times a week, but have no business actually fighting.  The last thing you want to do is think you are going to be fine in a situation against a knife or a gun and decide to engage that person rather than trying to calm the situation down and walk away.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:14 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 25 January 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 25 January 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

Most memorable to me is that many street fights happen is groups and erupt quickly and are chaotic. Keep your feet, don't take down, and be aware of what is on all sides cause on the ground, you're a target for multiple people to start clobbering you.

Also, even one on one, it's often some aggressor who takes offense, that crazy person who without warning comes over and tries to pop you. In those cases, training is good so you are natural at slipping and countering in one move rather than just covering up.

Yes, very chaotic.  Even guys who fight for a living, in group situations, things get messy.  Just look at the Diaz brothers brawl against Mayhem Miller, or the Khabib camp vs Conor camp nonsense.

It's a crapshoot.

Bas Rutten was on Joe Rogan's podcast and was talking about fighting in general, and his biggest worry is that a lot of schools out there instill a completely false sense of confidence in people who go to the dojo a few times a week, but have no business actually fighting.  The last thing you want to do is think you are going to be fine in a situation against a knife or a gun and decide to engage that person rather than trying to calm the situation down and walk away.

What you say is true which is why you do your research before joining a school. For every good instructor thereís 50 jabroniís out there that donít have a clue what theyíre doing. I taught knife and gun defense as well as dat training to law enforcement for years and if you donít know what youíre doing you put lives at stake.

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 08:51 AM

View PostTitleist 670, on 25 January 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

All things being equal, someone who has self defense or any type of combat training & live sparring is going to have an advantage over Joe Blow.

The obsession over "street fights" is silly.  Just don't get in them.  Avoid confrontation or being out at the bars too late.

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 08:53 AM

View PostSabumnim3, on 25 January 2019 - 09:14 PM, said:

View PostTitleist 670, on 25 January 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 25 January 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

Most memorable to me is that many street fights happen is groups and erupt quickly and are chaotic. Keep your feet, don't take down, and be aware of what is on all sides cause on the ground, you're a target for multiple people to start clobbering you.

Also, even one on one, it's often some aggressor who takes offense, that crazy person who without warning comes over and tries to pop you. In those cases, training is good so you are natural at slipping and countering in one move rather than just covering up.

Yes, very chaotic.  Even guys who fight for a living, in group situations, things get messy.  Just look at the Diaz brothers brawl against Mayhem Miller, or the Khabib camp vs Conor camp nonsense.

It's a crapshoot.

Bas Rutten was on Joe Rogan's podcast and was talking about fighting in general, and his biggest worry is that a lot of schools out there instill a completely false sense of confidence in people who go to the dojo a few times a week, but have no business actually fighting.  The last thing you want to do is think you are going to be fine in a situation against a knife or a gun and decide to engage that person rather than trying to calm the situation down and walk away.

What you say is true which is why you do your research before joining a school. For every good instructor there’s 50 jabroni’s out there that don’t have a clue what they’re doing. I taught knife and gun defense as well as dat training to law enforcement for years and if you don’t know what you’re doing you put lives at stake.

I appreciate the proper contextual use of the word “jabroni”.

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 11:18 AM

View PostTitleist 670, on 25 January 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

All things being equal, someone who has self defense or any type of combat training & live sparring is going to have an advantage over Joe Blow.

The obsession over "street fights" is silly.  Just don't get in them.  Avoid confrontation or being out at the bars too late.

Agree , don't get why street fights are a badge of honor for some. It's 2019...we don't need to get into dumb street fights when there are other options, like online bullying them until they cry
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