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How many "regular" PGA wins equal a "major" win?


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#181 deadsolid...shank

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 02:55 PM

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View Postbscinstnct, on 13 September 2018 - 10:14 AM, said:

    Here’s what Tour pros REALLY think (about Tiger, Trump, gambling, cheating and so much more)

https://www.golf.com...s-donald-trump/



WOULD YOU TAKE ONE MAJOR OR 10 TOUR WINS?

ONE MAJOR: 36%
10 TOUR WINS: 64%


“Depends if it’s 10 Puerto Rico Opens.”
“I’ll take history over padding my bank account.”
“Would you rather win $10+ million or $1.85 million in the lottery? All about the cash.”
“Which major?”


"All about the cash." This...

When I used to fantasize about playing on tour, I just wanted to make a decent living playing golf. Because I love playing golf. I didn't care, nor had a deep desire to win any tournaments. Enough to support my family and keep my card every year would have been enough for me. I wouldn't want a bunch of drunk fans and cameras following me around, thanks. ;)

But then I love playing golf and even just hitting different shots at the range. I'm headed to the range now, the fourth time this week. :D

Very surprising how many guys would take one major over 10 tour wins. I would think if they changed it to 5 wins, the majority of the pros would take a major over 5 tour wins.
So essentially you are saying Andy North had a better career than Stricker? Or at the very least equal?

I love Stricker, he’s awesome. But Andy North is still being brought up almost 35 years after his win, quite frankly I doubt in 35 years Stricker will brought up in many golf history  conversations. No matter how much we like him.

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#182 Shilgy

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:11 PM

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View Postbscinstnct, on 13 September 2018 - 10:14 AM, said:

Here’s what Tour pros REALLY think (about Tiger, Trump, gambling, cheating and so much more)

https://www.golf.com...s-donald-trump/



WOULD YOU TAKE ONE MAJOR OR 10 TOUR WINS?

ONE MAJOR: 36%
10 TOUR WINS: 64%


“Depends if it’s 10 Puerto Rico Opens.”
“I’ll take history over padding my bank account.”
“Would you rather win $10+ million or $1.85 million in the lottery? All about the cash.”
“Which major?”


"All about the cash." This...

When I used to fantasize about playing on tour, I just wanted to make a decent living playing golf. Because I love playing golf. I didn't care, nor had a deep desire to win any tournaments. Enough to support my family and keep my card every year would have been enough for me. I wouldn't want a bunch of drunk fans and cameras following me around, thanks. ;)

But then I love playing golf and even just hitting different shots at the range. I'm headed to the range now, the fourth time this week. :D

Very surprising how many guys would take one major over 10 tour wins. I would think if they changed it to 5 wins, the majority of the pros would take a major over 5 tour wins.
So essentially you are saying Andy North had a better career than Stricker? Or at the very least equal?

I love Stricker, he’s awesome. But Andy North is still being brought up almost 35 years after his win, quite frankly I doubt in 35 years Stricker will brought up in many golf history  conversations. No matter how much we like him.
Sorry-in a way you have me laughing. Yes, Andy North is being brought up in conversations. If that is your goal so are Micheel, Moody and co.  North is being brought up for his anomaly  of a career.  Played the PGA tour full time for years and has just three wins -two of them majors(US Opens).  I am more impressed by Stricker. Got it done 10 times instead of 3.  Reached 2nd on the money list in his best year vs North's best of 24th.

So we all have varying opinions on "what counts".
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:18 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 September 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 September 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 September 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 14 September 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

View Postwrmiller, on 14 September 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:


    Here’s what Tour pros REALLY think (about Tiger, Trump, gambling, cheating and so much more)

https://www.golf.com...s-donald-trump/



WOULD YOU TAKE ONE MAJOR OR 10 TOUR WINS?

ONE MAJOR: 36%
10 TOUR WINS: 64%


“Depends if it’s 10 Puerto Rico Opens.”
“I’ll take history over padding my bank account.”
“Would you rather win $10+ million or $1.85 million in the lottery? All about the cash.”
“Which major?”


"All about the cash." This...

When I used to fantasize about playing on tour, I just wanted to make a decent living playing golf. Because I love playing golf. I didn't care, nor had a deep desire to win any tournaments. Enough to support my family and keep my card every year would have been enough for me. I wouldn't want a bunch of drunk fans and cameras following me around, thanks. ;)

But then I love playing golf and even just hitting different shots at the range. I'm headed to the range now, the fourth time this week. :D

Very surprising how many guys would take one major over 10 tour wins. I would think if they changed it to 5 wins, the majority of the pros would take a major over 5 tour wins.
So essentially you are saying Andy North had a better career than Stricker? Or at the very least equal?


I love Stricker, he’s awesome. But Andy North is still being brought up almost 35 years after his win, quite frankly I doubt in 35 years Stricker will brought up in many golf history  conversations. No matter how much we like him.
Sorry-in a way you have me laughing. Yes, Andy North is being brought up in conversations. If that is your goal so are Micheel, Moody and co.  North is being brought up for his anomaly  of a career.  Played the PGA tour full time for years and has just three wins -two of them majors(US Opens).  I am more impressed by Stricker. Got it done 10 times instead of 3.  Reached 2nd on the money list in his best year vs North's best of 24th.

So we all have varying opinions on "what counts".

Why are you laughing, you brought him up, not me. Is anyone going to bring up Stricker in 35 years (other than he gave Tiger a putting lesson).
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:25 PM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 September 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:


Why are you laughing, you brought him up, not me. Is anyone going to bring up Stricker in 35 years (other than he gave Tiger a putting lesson).
Sorry-my post probably comes across as laughing at you in print.  I just meant that Andy North is generally brought up as a prime example of why majors are not a bigger deal. Or why they are not harder to win.

North and his game were a good fit for his era of US Opens.  And to his credit he won two.  

In my opinion, and I am not trying to change anyone else's opinion, it is "better" to have reached the levels that a Stricker did in the game than to have a few great weeks.  YMMV.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:41 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 September 2018 - 04:25 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 September 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:


Why are you laughing, you brought him up, not me. Is anyone going to bring up Stricker in 35 years (other than he gave Tiger a putting lesson).
Sorry-my post probably comes across as laughing at you in print.  I just meant that Andy North is generally brought up as a prime example of why majors are not a bigger deal. Or why they are not harder to win.

North and his game were a good fit for his era of US Opens.  And to his credit he won two.  

In my opinion, and I am not trying to change anyone else's opinion, it is "better" to have reached the levels that a Stricker did in the game than to have a few great weeks.  YMMV.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:40 PM

If money wasnt a factor, I'd take 1 Masters over an infinite amount of regular wins.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:58 PM

I don't have a ego to feed, nothing to prove, nor care if I'm remembered by anyone other than my family.

I'd still take the cash and enjoy my life. YMMV

And who the hell's Andy North? ;)
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 02:56 PM

I will say none. Winning a Major shouldn't be something you need to get into the HOF. Except fir a chosen few most won their major by luck. You telling me John Daily is a better golfer than Monty. First the PGA is one step above a regular tour stop. US Open is garbage. Only Masters and The Open are true tests. You win 50 events no Majors is still greatnesd.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 03:31 PM

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I will say none. Winning a Major shouldn't be something you need to get into the HOF. Except fir a chosen few most won their major by luck. You telling me John Daily is a better golfer than Monty. First the PGA is one step above a regular tour stop. US Open is garbage. Only Masters and The Open are true tests. You win 50 events no Majors is still greatnesd.

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:13 AM

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    Here’s what Tour pros REALLY think (about Tiger, Trump, gambling, cheating and so much more)

[url="https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/2018/09/12/anonymous-pga-tour-survey-tiger-woods-donald-trump/"]https://www.golf.com...s-donald-trump/[/url]



WOULD YOU TAKE ONE MAJOR OR 10 TOUR WINS?

ONE MAJOR: 36%
10 TOUR WINS: 64%


“Depends if it’s 10 Puerto Rico Opens.”
“I’ll take history over padding my bank account.”
“Would you rather win $10+ million or $1.85 million in the lottery? All about the cash.”
“Which major?”

[/quote]

"All about the cash." This...

When I used to fantasize about playing on tour, I just wanted to make a decent living playing golf. Because I love playing golf. I didn't care, nor had a deep desire to win any tournaments. Enough to support my family and keep my card every year would have been enough for me. I wouldn't want a bunch of drunk fans and cameras following me around, thanks. ;)

But then I love playing golf and even just hitting different shots at the range. I'm headed to the range now, the fourth time this week. :D
[/quote]

Very surprising how many guys would take one major over 10 tour wins. I would think if they changed it to 5 wins, the majority of the pros would take a major over 5 tour wins.
[/quote]So essentially you are saying Andy North had a better career than Stricker? Or at the very least equal?
[/quote]

I love Stricker, he’s awesome. But Andy North is still being brought up almost 35 years after his win, quite frankly I doubt in 35 years Stricker will brought up in many golf history  conversations. No matter how much we like him.[/quote]

I just don't know about that. People still bring up Bruce Lietzke. Why? Because he was a damn good golfer with a unique swing and something interesting: he very rarely practiced.

People will be talking about Stricker in 20 years because he was a damn good golfer of his time.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 11:44 AM

In response to the title of the thread...0.

A major is a major. Thatís why no other tournament is a major. Sure winnings is hard. But winning a major is a different level of hard.

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 09:39 AM

View Postyouraway2, on 24 August 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

No comparison
Well maybe The Memorial should equal one major win.
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Posted 14 January 2019 - 09:56 AM

View Postyouraway2, on 14 January 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

View Postyouraway2, on 24 August 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

No comparison
Well maybe The Memorial should equal one major win.

lol

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 01:08 PM

View PostYoungJedi, on 12 January 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

In response to the title of the thread...0.

A major is a major. That's why no other tournament is a major. Sure winnings is hard. But winning a major is a different level of hard.
How so?
Same opponents?  check
Same courses?  check
The two greatest players ever won majors at approximately the same pace as regular events.  There is nothing inherently more difficult winning a major than any other big event. Unless there is something in the players head that makes it so. Apparently some players found majors easier to win...Micheel...North....Moody   While others like Stricker and Monty of course found them to be harder.

Edited to add:  It is my belief that there are a couple main reasons young players in general do so much better earlier in their career than most in the past.  One is that they have better swing training as children.  Perhaps the main reasons is mental training that has taught them that golf is golf. The challenge does not change from the amateur ranks to majors on the big tour. It is them against the course and not against the other players.

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 01:54 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 January 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

View PostYoungJedi, on 12 January 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

In response to the title of the thread...0.

A major is a major. That's why no other tournament is a major. Sure winnings is hard. But winning a major is a different level of hard.
How so?
Same opponents?  check
Same courses?  check
The two greatest players ever won majors at approximately the same pace as regular events.  There is nothing inherently more difficult winning a major than any other big event. Unless there is something in the players head that makes it so. Apparently some players found majors easier to win...Micheel...North....Moody   While others like Stricker and Monty of course found them to be harder.

Edited to add:  It is my belief that there are a couple main reasons young players in general do so much better earlier in their career than most in the past.  One is that they have better swing training as children.  Perhaps the main reasons is mental training that has taught them that golf is golf. The challenge does not change from the amateur ranks to majors on the big tour. It is them against the course and not against the other players.

Címon the US Open at Pebble Beach is a completely different beast than the regular crapola tournament at Pebble Beach.

More difficult course setup and a far stronger field. Aside from the name of the course, they have almost nothing in common.

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 03:45 PM

View PostRobertBaron, on 14 January 2019 - 01:54 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 January 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

View PostYoungJedi, on 12 January 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

In response to the title of the thread...0.

A major is a major. That's why no other tournament is a major. Sure winnings is hard. But winning a major is a different level of hard.
How so?
Same opponents?  check
Same courses?  check
The two greatest players ever won majors at approximately the same pace as regular events.  There is nothing inherently more difficult winning a major than any other big event. Unless there is something in the players head that makes it so. Apparently some players found majors easier to win...Micheel...North....Moody   While others like Stricker and Monty of course found them to be harder.

Edited to add:  It is my belief that there are a couple main reasons young players in general do so much better earlier in their career than most in the past.  One is that they have better swing training as children.  Perhaps the main reasons is mental training that has taught them that golf is golf. The challenge does not change from the amateur ranks to majors on the big tour. It is them against the course and not against the other players.

C'mon the US Open at Pebble Beach is a completely different beast than the regular crapola tournament at Pebble Beach.

More difficult course setup and a far stronger field. Aside from the name of the course, they have almost nothing in common.
  A) someone will win-just like any event. B) The harder field is true-to an extent. Do you think the winning score would have been any different this past week if DJ and Koepka and Woods were playing?  The winning score does not really change based on who is playing. The better players have a lower scoring average because they are more consistent.  Would anyone have gone lower than Svennson(in rd 1) or Kuchar?  C)  see A
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 11:09 PM

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View PostShilgy, on 14 January 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

View PostYoungJedi, on 12 January 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

In response to the title of the thread...0.

A major is a major. That's why no other tournament is a major. Sure winnings is hard. But winning a major is a different level of hard.
How so?
Same opponents?  check
Same courses?  check
The two greatest players ever won majors at approximately the same pace as regular events.  There is nothing inherently more difficult winning a major than any other big event. Unless there is something in the players head that makes it so. Apparently some players found majors easier to win...Micheel...North....Moody   While others like Stricker and Monty of course found them to be harder.

Edited to add:  It is my belief that there are a couple main reasons young players in general do so much better earlier in their career than most in the past.  One is that they have better swing training as children.  Perhaps the main reasons is mental training that has taught them that golf is golf. The challenge does not change from the amateur ranks to majors on the big tour. It is them against the course and not against the other players.

C'mon the US Open at Pebble Beach is a completely different beast than the regular crapola tournament at Pebble Beach.

More difficult course setup and a far stronger field. Aside from the name of the course, they have almost nothing in common.
  A) someone will win-just like any event. B) The harder field is true-to an extent. Do you think the winning score would have been any different this past week if DJ and Koepka and Woods were playing?  The winning score does not really change based on who is playing. The better players have a lower scoring average because they are more consistent.  Would anyone have gone lower than Svennson(in rd 1) or Kuchar?  C)  see A

A) in games without ties someone will always win. In general the better player or team wins more.

B) the winning score would have most likely been different if it were a major. The course set up would probably play harder. The better players in the field of a major might have put more pressure on Kuchar, forcing him to take more stressful shots. Like, iirc he started Sunday with a 3 stroke lead. He might not have that big of a cushion with more of the top 25 in the field. He might have to ďgo for itĒ more with a DJ or Tiger breathing down his neck on the final round of a major.

C) itís possible. Youíre talking about the top 5 players in the world who werenít in the field. Who knows? One of them might have shot  a 63 on Sunday and won by a stroke or 2.

D) closing out a Game 7 or any game where the stakes are highest is one of the most difficult things in sports. The mental toughness the all time greats like Tiger and Jack possess is probably their greatest asset. A 1 stroke lead on a Sunday in April at Augusta is a whole different ball of wax then the same 1 stroke lead on a Sunday in January in Hawaii.

Edited by RobertBaron, 15 January 2019 - 11:10 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2019 - 11:16 PM

^^Then why do the best-Jack and Tiger-win majors roughly at the same rate they win regular events? If the best have this huge mental advantage and the majors are so much more difficult to win why didn't they win more majors? How could Yang beat Woods? Fleck beat Hogan?

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 11:24 PM

Because winning majors is hard.


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