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Sign's that iron shafts too soft?


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#1 Coy M

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 08:24 AM

Just recently got back into golf. The only two iron sets I've ever owned before my current set had KBS Tour X shafts in them. I recently decided to try a set of AP2's with s300 AMT shafts. I definitely can feel a big difference in the shafts. When I hit full normal flighted shots with the s300 the ball flight is pretty good (with normal full swings with no wind the ball goes the same distance as my previous set with the KBS Tour X). But I have noticed that if I try to flight the ball down with some type of punch or 3/4 shot the ball starts low and balloons. I'm pretty much assuming this is from the shafts being too soft. Can I get any backing or conformation on this theory of mine?

Note:  I really like the feeling of the shafts a lot better than the KBS X but I never had ballooning with the X flex shafts.

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 11:31 AM

The performance difference is more likely due to the different bend profile between the two shafts rather than the change in flex label.. The difference you feel is Dynamic Gold’s softer butt and mid section compared to the KBS.

Priorities for shaft matching are, weight, profile and finally flex.

Edited by DaveMac, 13 August 2018 - 11:34 AM.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 11:43 AM

Try a DG X100 standard model or a Project X 6.0 or 6.5 standard design

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 12:00 PM

View PostDaveMac, on 13 August 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:

The performance difference is more likely due to the different bend profile between the two shafts rather than the change in flex label.. The difference you feel is Dynamic Gold's softer butt and mid section compared to the KBS.

Priorities for shaft matching are, weight, profile and finally flex.

Thank you for the detailed reply. I believe the s300 are the same same weight as the KBS Tours but like you said a different bend profile. I also think my swing needs some work after 4 years of not playing but 1-2 times a year. I know for a fact I'm steep on downswing, something that needs to be fixed.
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Posted 13 August 2018 - 12:07 PM

Don't make assumptions based on flex.   The profile is unlikely to be causing it directly.

It's possible the feel of the softer mid-section could be influencing things but if that were the case it would be more likely to show up in the full swing than in the 3/4 swing (or both).

What heads were you coming from?  The Ap2's have been known to be a higher launching/spinning head for some.
Also how old were the previous heads? Fresh face and groves can make a difference as well.

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Edited by Stuart G., 13 August 2018 - 12:10 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 12:15 PM

Previous set are Nike Vr Pro Combos. I bought them used but heads were and still are in very good shape. I only really played like 15-20 rounds with over a 5 year time span due to back issues that I've finally somewhat resolved.
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Posted 13 August 2018 - 12:32 PM

Without seeing your swing, or spin numbers on full vs. punch shots, I'm not ready to say too soft a shaft is the problem.

Other posters have commented on the differing performance dynamics of the two shafts, which seems to explain things.

Edited by ChipNRun, 13 August 2018 - 12:34 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 10:38 PM

Bend profile makes a difference, but the way I tell is if my iron shots balloon into the slightest wind right at the end of flight and drop short.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 07:04 AM

View PostDustdevil, on 13 August 2018 - 10:38 PM, said:

Bend profile makes a difference, but the way I tell is if my iron shots balloon into the slightest wind right at the end of flight and drop short.

That's pretty much dead on what's happening.
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