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#1 Invisible-z

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:44 AM

Summary of our $1,300 (2 pax) experience at The Kingdom by Taylormade in Carlsbad

The short version:
- 4 hybrid missing in order
- iron set lie angle adjustment missing
- wedge lie angle adjustment missing
- putter lie angle adjustment missing
- grip size too big
- the grips options incorrect
- 5 emails ignored
- client’s request not followed
- the client has to initiate contact with TaylorMade to move things forward
- delayed order by over 1 week or more
- incorrect order placed and with no confirmation from the client
- client forced to take on the order


Director contacted, update below


The long version:
I was very excited about my fitting at the Kingdom. I've had a good fitting experience down at Titleist TPI just next door about 6 years ago. The experience was amazing. I read great things about Taylormade fitting too at the Kingdom and given their recent marketing effort I had high hopes. It
wasawhooping $650 pp but if the fitting is as good as the one I got down at Titleist, I'd say its worth it.

Anyway, so here we go.

I made my booking via our club about 2-3 months in advance. We had sent numerous emails to confirm and reconfirm because my dad and I are flying across the big pond for this fitting and made sure TM knows about it. Don't want to get bumped off last minute, etc.

On the day of the fitting, we got an email from the receptionist asking us to send in our CC for authorization at8AM. I replied promptly and approved the authorization. Small hiccup she probably forgot but its all good!

No one was there to greet us at the HQ (unlike Titleist) so we wandered up to registration and got ourselves registered. The security guy didn't seem to know what was happening. Eventually, he found our booking. While we were being checked in, I got an email from the same receptionist with a single sentence "are you two on your way".

Was that a rhetorical question because I just authorized the payment like an hour ago. A little rude but no biggie I thought. After the check-in, we were told the Kingdom is at a different location so we had to drive across the street to get there. OK, so now we were 25 minutes late when we go to Kingdom's front door.

When we got to the front door of the Kingdom the doors were locked. So... I thought had those guys left because we are late?? Just when we were about to drive back to the HQ, we were greeted by the receptionist with no much of a smile. We walked in through the doors and then was told to go back out to the car to get our own bags. My dad is over 65 so I went and got both our bags while they watched. Certainly not what I read about and not how Titleist treated me back in the days. Whatever, we are on vacation and came here for a good time I thought to myself.

Below
thetimeare fairly accurate because I had time stamps on all my photos

August 1st -
day of fitting
10AM
intro, warm-up, etc.

1015AM
We used Gears (https://www.gearssports.com/) go for a 3D swing motion analysis. I thought that was a complete waste of time from a fitting perspective. We got a USB at the end with our 3D swings recorded so I suppose that's why we did it. The fitter didn't seem overly enthusiastic about it too (honestly, I wouldn't either if I knew this was gonna be pointless).

1045AM
Driver - one shaft and one head
Fairway - two shafts and one head
Iron - one shaft and 3 heads
Wedge - Hi Toe 60 only (no chip shots, bunkers, or rough)

1215PM
The fitter took me in to get my driver put together. That was pretty cool.

1230PM
Fitter wanted to send us out but I reminded him I had a putter fitting too. We went through the putter fitting

1240PM
Got my spec sheets and we were done. I was told to make the order through them because Kingdom orders tend to be faster (I later verified with TM sales that this is not true). The only difference is it comes out of a different account (ie e-commerce vs wholesale) but its essentially the same speed. TM sales told me though I should get a discount of ordering through the Kingdom. Well, we didn't get any.


9PM
I reviewed the spec sheets and researched the metalwood shafts and saw some possible mistakes. I had couple questions for our fitters so I emailed them a thank you note with my questions. This was where the nightmare began.

August 2nd - Thursday
no response after 24 hours. Follow up email sent from me

August 3rd - Friday
Still no response after 24 hours. Another follow up email sent. Finally got a short response that night. The fitter said its the weekend and will reply after the weekend. Umm... ok

August 6th - Monday
When I finally got the actual response (6 days after the fitting), the fitter simply attached the spec sheet which I got on the day of my fitting and asked what I want to be changed. You can imagine I almost jumped out of my skin. Did you read my email?

Repeated my questions in another email. Got a response the same day and he corrected me on what I thought were mistakes. Nice, at least movement here.

August 7th - Tuesday
I decided to call the fitter the following day to
further clarify on the shaft choices and close out on all outstanding questions so we can move the order along.

The response I got about one of his shaft choices was along the lines of "I am not too sure about the shaft profile actually. I didn't read up on them but I know you needed something low spin. I really don't know those shafts too well but you could go with either one. You hit the ball well enough and they would fit you. Pick one of them".

Umm... seriously? Is that why I flew halfway around the world and pay $650 bucks to get this sort of answer. For a moment I wondered if he was just toying with me because I know he had worked there for quite some time. By the way, the shaft I was mentioning is Mitsubishi Tensei CK Series shaft. I wasn't sure if I was getting the pro or normal version. The cost of the shaft upcharge for pro version was $200. After the call, I still wasn't sure which I was specced for because he didn't know which version he fitted me for. WTF.


Well, so after the call I was going to make the purchase anyway (we were both eager to get new clubs). I wrote the fitter a confirmation email and spelt everything out for him to confirm the details of our conversation. I was uncertain whether he would my order right so I asked to get a breakdown on the invoice so I could check all the specs before the order is placed. Oh right... and the guys at the Kingdom never told us how much the cost of the equipment was. I suppose they just expected us to open our wallets and pay up no matter how much it would cost?  

August 8th - Wednesday
My confirmation email was not responded to after 24 hours.

Well, OK I wanted to get this done while I am still on US time, so I called the receptionist to follow up on the issue since its now administrative related work and I am guessing she would put in the order. By that time, I was on literally sitting in a plane that was
about to takeoff back to Asia. She immediately sent me the invoice w/ breakdown (thank god) immediately. I hung up and I looked through it. Guess what? THERE WERE MISTAKES ALL OVER THE ORDER!!! Before the plane took off, I emailed her immediately to amend the order. The email was sent before I shut off my phone.

No surprise my email was not responded to for 24 hours.


August 9th - Friday (Asia time)
I am back in my home country after a long flight and 15 hour time difference. Opened up my email with no reply to my email. I emailed the receptionist and told her to cancel her order while I make the order on my own. She later wrote me a somewhat angry email stating "I’m a little confused at what your expectations are at this point considering I have had no access to email". OK, well she said mentioned TM email has been down on Tuesday but honestly not my problem. Someone on your team made a mistake. Fix it. At least that's how good teams function.


I emailed their director to stop the order before this gets more complicated. Dealing with this aftermath is going to be so fun, especially with a 15 hour time difference.

I hope they will come their senses... I really look forward to what happens next... :telephone:


August 10/11 - Sat/Sun
I spoke with the Director of Taylormade Kingdom. He apologized and want to make this right. Actions are being taken now.

I have better things to do than to post updates on a forum but I understand trust / loyalty is easy to destroy and hard to build. It's a tall order but if they somehow get this back to even par I feel obligated to provide a full picture of the resolution.

Edited by Invisible-z, 13 August 2018 - 11:21 PM.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:33 AM

Man, this experience makes my off the rack clubs look great lol. Hopefully they at least discount your fitting fees. Total s***-show.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:44 AM

 Invisible-z, on 10 August 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

Summary of our $1,300 (2 pax) experience at The Kingdom by Taylormade in Carlsbad

The short version:
- 4 hybrid missing in order
- iron set lie angle adjustment missing
- wedge lie angle adjustment missing
- putter lie angle adjustment missing
- grip size too big
- the grips options incorrect
- 5 emails ignored
- client’s request not followed
- the client has to initiate contact with TaylorMade to move things forward
- delayed order by over 1 week or more
- incorrect order placed and with no confirmation from the client
- client forced to take on the order Apologies in advance for the long email but please bear with me.

The long version:
I was very excited about my fitting at the Kingdom. I've had a good fitting experience down at Titleist TPI just next door about 6 years ago. The experience was amazing. I read great things about Taylormade fitting too at the Kingdom and given their recent marketing effort I had high hopes. It was a whooping $650 pp but if the fitting is as good as the one I got down at Titleist, I'd say its worth it.

Anyway, so here we go.

I made my booking via our club about 2-3 months in advance. We had sent numerous emails to confirm and reconfirm because my dad and I are flying across the big pond for this fitting and made sure TM knows about it. Don't want to get bumped off last minute, etc.

On the day of the fitting, we got an email from the receptionist asking us to send in our CC for authorization at 8AM. I replied promptly and approved the authorization. Small hiccup she probably forgot but its all good!

No one was there to greet us at the HQ (unlike Titleist) so we wandered up to registration and got ourselves registered. The security guy didn't seem to know what was happening. Eventually, he found our booking. While we were being checked in, I got an email from the same receptionist with a single sentence "are you two on your way".

Was it a rhetorical question because I just authorized the payment like an hour ago. A little rude but no biggie I thought. After the check-in, we were told the Kingdom is at a different location so we had to drive across the street to get there. OK, so now we were 25 minutes late when we go to Kingdom's front door.

When we got to the front door of the Kingdom the doors were locked. So... I thought had those guys left because we are late?? Just when we were about to drive back to the HQ, we were greeted by the receptionist with no much of a smile. We walked in through the doors and then was told to go back out to the car to get our own bags. My dad is over 65 so I went and got both our bags while they watched. Certainly not what I read about and not how Titleist treated me back in the days. Whatever, we are on vacation and came here for a good time I thought to myself.

Below the time are fairly accurate because I had time stamps on all my photos

August 1st - day of fitting
10AM
intro, warm-up, etc.

1015AM
We used Gears (https://www.gearssports.com/) go for a 3D swing motion analysis. I thought that was a complete waste of time from a fitting perspective. We got a USB at the end with our 3D swings recorded so I suppose that's why we did it. The fitter didn't seem overly enthusiastic about it too (honestly, I wouldn't either if I knew this was gonna be pointless).

1045AM
Driver - one shaft and one head
Fairway - two shafts and one head
Iron - one shaft and 3 heads
Wedge - Hi Toe 60 only (no chip shots, bunkers, or rough)

1215PM
The fitter took me in to get my driver put together. That was pretty cool.

1230PM
Fitter wanted to send us out but I reminded him I had a putter fitting too. We went through the putter fitting

1240PM
Got my spec sheets and we were done. I was told to make the order through them because Kingdom orders tend to be faster (I later verified with TM sales that this is not true). The only difference is it comes out of a different account (ie e-commerce vs wholesale) but its essentially the same speed. TIM sales told me though I should get a discount of ordering through the Kingdom. Well, we didn't get any.

9PM
I reviewed the spec sheets and researched the metalwood shafts and saw some possible mistakes. I had couple questions for our fitters so I emailed them a thank you note with my questions. This was where the nightmare began.

August 2nd - Thursday
no response after 24 hours. Follow up email sent from me

August 3rd - Friday
Still no response after 24 hours. Another follow up email sent. Finally got a short response that night. The fitter said its the weekend and will reply after the weekend. Umm... ok

August 6th - Monday
When I finally got the actual response (6 days after the fitting), the fitter simply attached the spec sheet which I got on the day of my fitting and asked what I want to be changed. You can imagine I almost jumped out of my skin. Did you read my email?

Repeated my questions in another email. Got a response the same day and he corrected me on what I thought were mistakes. Nice, at least movement here.

August 7th - Tuesday
I decided to call the fitter the following day to further clarify on the shaft choices and close out on all outstanding questions so we can move the order along.

The response I got about one of his shaft choice was along the lines of "I am not too sure about the shaft profile actually. I didn't read up on them but I know you needed something low spin. I really don't know those shafts too well but you could go with either one. You hit the ball well enough and they would fit you. Pick one of them".

Umm... seriously? Is that why I flew halfway around the world and pay $650 bucks to get this sort of answer. For a moment I wondered if he was just toying with me because I know he had worked there for quite some time. By the way, the shaft I was mentioning is Mitsubishi Tensei CK Series shaft. I wasn't sure if I was getting the pro or normal version. The cost of the shaft upcharge for pro version was $200. After the call, I still wasn't sure which I was specced for because he didn't know which version it was he fitted me for.

Well, so after the call I was going to make the purchase anyway (we were both eager to get new clubs). I wrote the fitter a confirmation email and spelt everything out for him to confirm the details of our conversation. I was uncertain whether he would my order right so I asked to get a breakdown on the invoice so I could check all the specs before the order is placed. Oh right... and the guys at the Kingdom never told us how much the cost of the equipment was. I suppose they just expected us to open our wallets and pay up no matter how much it would cost?  

August 8th
My confirmation email was not responded to after 24 hours.

Well, OK I wanted to get this done while I am still on US time, so I called the receptionist to follow up on the issue since its now administrative related work and I am guessing she would put in the order. By that time, I was on literally sitting in a plane that was about to takeoff back to Asia. She immediately sent me the invoice w/ breakdown (thank God finally someone with some sense) immediately. I hung up and I looked through it. Guess what? THERE WERE MISTAKES ALL OVER THE ORDER!!! Before the plane took up, I emailed her immediately (I was on the plane back to my country of origin) to amend the order.

No surprise my email was not responded to for 24 hours.

August 9th (Asia time)
I am back in my home country after a long flight and 15 hour time difference. Opened up my email with no reply to my email.
I think as a customer that had just paid 1,300USD for a fitting for 2 people and to have gotten myself so worked up over a simple job ...I deserve to get a full refund on the fitting and a discount on our orders... or am I crazy to feel this way?

I emailed their director to stop the order before this gets more complicated. Dealing with this aftermath is going to be fun.

A list of things that went belly up:
- 4 hybrid missing in order
- iron set lie angle adjustment missing
- wedge lie angle adjustment missing
- putter lie angle adjustment missing
- grip size too big
- the grips options incorrect
- 5 emails ignored
- client’s request not followed
- the client has to initiate contact with TaylorMade to move things forward
- delayed order by over 1 week or more
- incorrect order placed and with no confirmation from the client
- client forced to take on the order

At the price you paid and trouble and distance travelled you took to have the TM experience, shame on them, not wonder the golf industry struggles they just don't seem to understand the customer service element

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:47 AM

Long story short - Play Titleist.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 02:48 AM

Sounds awful, also sounds like way too little time was taken to do a proper driver, iron, wedge and fairway fitting.

I had the whole bag fitted at one of the independent companies and it was expensive but the attention to detail was excellent (no mistakes or follow up required).


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 03:02 AM

 scratchswinger, on 10 August 2018 - 01:47 AM, said:

Long story short - Play Titleist.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:32 AM

Sad to read this.........I hope someone from Taylormade reads this and takes appropriate action to make this right.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:57 AM

That sounds totally unprofessional IMHO, personally I'm not a huge TM fan, but from what you've said they didn't and don't care much about you.
A friend of mine had a TM fitting a few years ago here in Australia, it was at a high end golf club with track man and lots of shafts etc, his shafts were I think tipped (?) or something, I don't really know that much about the tech side like that, but over the course of 2 years all those iron shafts broke, they were replaced free of charge, and those ones broke too, then the set was replaced, and yep half of them ended up snapping off near the hosel as well.

Finally he emailed the head TM guy here in Australia telling him the story and complaining and asking what he was going to do about it and why would he ever consider purchasing any TM equipment in the future. Well to his credit the head honcho got int touch with my friend very quickly and after speaking to him, getting details etc arranged a complete tour style fitting at their center in Melbourne (state capital) with a free replacement set of irons and wedges, all the latest product and delivered within 10 days, he came through and ever since my friend has been very happy with no problems.

I myself had a Mizuno fitting for irons (our pro has the Mizuno fitting training with DNA and also Trackman certified) this fitting went over an hour with MANY different shafts and all the heads and he gave me the 6 iron he made up from the cart to my specs to take away for a week to use before I made my decision, it was a great experience and I don't regret the purchase.

I hope you get satisfaction with this poor and unfortunate issue, will be interested to hear how it works out.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 06:20 AM

You'd think that anyone they greet at what is effectively their "flagship store" would get proper treatment. I guess to them they don't care whether you've flown 5000 miles or come from around the corner but for me I'd have maybe laid on a few extras - certainly I'd have made sure you got treated better than that
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:28 AM

I am literally speechless that anyone would give such poor service at that price range.  I am sorry for your experience and hope they come to their senses and make it right for you without too much more agrevation.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:34 AM

That is crazy! I got a fitting there back in 2013 and my experience was completely different from what you described. I had an amazing day and felt like I was a member of their tour staff.

I have heard rumors that TM has gone way downhill since being purchased. People are saying that they are a nightmare to work with and back orders and mistakes are the norm now. Really sad it's gone downhill this way and unfortunate you had a sup par experience.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:42 AM

 03trdblack, on 10 August 2018 - 08:34 AM, said:

back orders and mistakes are the norm now. Really sad it's gone downhill this way and unfortunate you had a sup par experience.

A few months ago I met a really nice guy who was a TM rep.  Got me a discount on a new driver.  He told me to just pick out my options and text him a screenshot of the cart.  I did so, and got 25% off.  All good.

The head was one degree off (too low).  The adapter was red (I looked it up, apparently its flatter than a normal adapter.  I didn't choose this option.).  I had picked a Z-Grip, my favorite grip and one i use on 13 clubs, and it somehow came with a midsize (!) Winn Dry Tac grip.  The driver was right (M4) and the shaft was right (Atmos Red X) but they didn't cut it down (I ordered 44.5" it came stock).

Went right to the BST.  No time for that nonsense when the 910D2 is already bombing it.

I love their old rescues but once those come out it'll be a while before taylormade gets in the bag again.  Such a let down after being excited for a true custom driver.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:02 AM

With the tour players they have in their stable, you would think they would try a little harder to show the consuming public why the pros play their gear. But it seems as though they are doing a half assed job of that.  I am a fan of the tm products I have had this far but may reconsider any future purchases.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:09 AM

Wow what a terrible fitting! I worked as a club fitter at PGA superstore for a bit and I'd think even our worst fitter would still have given you a better setup and at least you wouldn't have been out the money for the fitting itself!

I did a custom order M4 earlier this year and they messed it up royally too. Sad to see TM go downhill so quickly with their custom order process. That'll lose a ton of customers for them! Just goes to show buying off the rack and then picking up shafts and tweaking on your own is actually better.

Hope you enjoyed your time here in the states aside from the fitting!
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:14 AM

 Invisible-z, on 10 August 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

Summary of our $1,300 (2 pax) experience at The Kingdom by Taylormade in Carlsbad

The short version:
- 4 hybrid missing in order
- iron set lie angle adjustment missing
- wedge lie angle adjustment missing
- putter lie angle adjustment missing
- grip size too big
- the grips options incorrect
- 5 emails ignored
- client’s request not followed
- the client has to initiate contact with TaylorMade to move things forward
- delayed order by over 1 week or more
- incorrect order placed and with no confirmation from the client
- client forced to take on the order

The long version:
I was very excited about my fitting at the Kingdom. I've had a good fitting experience down at Titleist TPI just next door about 6 years ago. The experience was amazing. I read great things about Taylormade fitting too at the Kingdom and given their recent marketing effort I had high hopes. It
wasawhooping $650 pp but if the fitting is as good as the one I got down at Titleist, I'd say its worth it.

Anyway, so here we go.

I made my booking via our club about 2-3 months in advance. We had sent numerous emails to confirm and reconfirm because my dad and I are flying across the big pond for this fitting and made sure TM knows about it. Don't want to get bumped off last minute, etc.

On the day of the fitting, we got an email from the receptionist asking us to send in our CC for authorization at8AM. I replied promptly and approved the authorization. Small hiccup she probably forgot but its all good!

No one was there to greet us at the HQ (unlike Titleist) so we wandered up to registration and got ourselves registered. The security guy didn't seem to know what was happening. Eventually, he found our booking. While we were being checked in, I got an email from the same receptionist with a single sentence "are you two on your way".

Was that a rhetorical question because I just authorized the payment like an hour ago. A little rude but no biggie I thought. After the check-in, we were told the Kingdom is at a different location so we had to drive across the street to get there. OK, so now we were 25 minutes late when we go to Kingdom's front door.

When we got to the front door of the Kingdom the doors were locked. So... I thought had those guys left because we are late?? Just when we were about to drive back to the HQ, we were greeted by the receptionist with no much of a smile. We walked in through the doors and then was told to go back out to the car to get our own bags. My dad is over 65 so I went and got both our bags while they watched. Certainly not what I read about and not how Titleist treated me back in the days. Whatever, we are on vacation and came here for a good time I thought to myself.

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thetimeare fairly accurate because I had time stamps on all my photos

August 1st -
day of fitting
10AM
intro, warm-up, etc.

1015AM
We used Gears (https://www.gearssports.com/) go for a 3D swing motion analysis. I thought that was a complete waste of time from a fitting perspective. We got a USB at the end with our 3D swings recorded so I suppose that's why we did it. The fitter didn't seem overly enthusiastic about it too (honestly, I wouldn't either if I knew this was gonna be pointless).

1045AM
Driver - one shaft and one head
Fairway - two shafts and one head
Iron - one shaft and 3 heads
Wedge - Hi Toe 60 only (no chip shots, bunkers, or rough)

1215PM
The fitter took me in to get my driver put together. That was pretty cool.

1230PM
Fitter wanted to send us out but I reminded him I had a putter fitting too. We went through the putter fitting

1240PM
Got my spec sheets and we were done. I was told to make the order through them because Kingdom orders tend to be faster (I later verified with TM sales that this is not true). The only difference is it comes out of a different account (ie e-commerce vs wholesale) but its essentially the same speed. TIM sales told me though I should get a discount of ordering through the Kingdom. Well, we didn't get any.


9PM
I reviewed the spec sheets and researched the metalwood shafts and saw some possible mistakes. I had couple questions for our fitters so I emailed them a thank you note with my questions. This was where the nightmare began.

August 2nd - Thursday
no response after 24 hours. Follow up email sent from me

August 3rd - Friday
Still no response after 24 hours. Another follow up email sent. Finally got a short response that night. The fitter said its the weekend and will reply after the weekend. Umm... ok

August 6th - Monday
When I finally got the actual response (6 days after the fitting), the fitter simply attached the spec sheet which I got on the day of my fitting and asked what I want to be changed. You can imagine I almost jumped out of my skin. Did you read my email?

Repeated my questions in another email. Got a response the same day and he corrected me on what I thought were mistakes. Nice, at least movement here.

August 7th - Tuesday
I decided to call the fitter the following day to
further clarify on the shaft choices and close out on all outstanding questions so we can move the order along.

The response I got about one of his shaft choices was along the lines of "I am not too sure about the shaft profile actually. I didn't read up on them but I know you needed something low spin. I really don't know those shafts too well but you could go with either one. You hit the ball well enough and they would fit you. Pick one of them".

Umm... seriously? Is that why I flew halfway around the world and pay $650 bucks to get this sort of answer. For a moment I wondered if he was just toying with me because I know he had worked there for quite some time. By the way, the shaft I was mentioning is Mitsubishi Tensei CK Series shaft. I wasn't sure if I was getting the pro or normal version. The cost of the shaft upcharge for pro version was $200. After the call, I still wasn't sure which I was specced for because he didn't know which version he fitted me for. WTF.


Well, so after the call I was going to make the purchase anyway (we were both eager to get new clubs). I wrote the fitter a confirmation email and spelt everything out for him to confirm the details of our conversation. I was uncertain whether he would my order right so I asked to get a breakdown on the invoice so I could check all the specs before the order is placed. Oh right... and the guys at the Kingdom never told us how much the cost of the equipment was. I suppose they just expected us to open our wallets and pay up no matter how much it would cost?  

August 8th - Wednesday
My confirmation email was not responded to after 24 hours.

Well, OK I wanted to get this done while I am still on US time, so I called the receptionist to follow up on the issue since its now administrative related work and I am guessing she would put in the order. By that time, I was on literally sitting in a plane that was
about to takeoff back to Asia. She immediately sent me the invoice w/ breakdown (thank god) immediately. I hung up and I looked through it. Guess what? THERE WERE MISTAKES ALL OVER THE ORDER!!! Before the plane took off, I emailed her immediately to amend the order. The email was sent before I shut off my phone.

No surprise my email was not responded to for 24 hours.


August 9th - Friday (Asia time)
I am back in my home country after a long flight and 15 hour time difference. Opened up my email with no reply to my email. I emailed the receptionist and told her to cancel her order while I make the order on my own. She later wrote me a somewhat angry email stating "I’m a little confused at what your expectations are at this point considering I have had no access to email". OK, well she said mentioned TM email has been down on Tuesday but honestly not my problem. Someone on your team made a mistake. Fix it. At least that's how good teams function.


I emailed their director to stop the order before this gets more complicated. Dealing with this aftermath is going to be so fun, especially with a 15 hour time difference.

I hope they will
come their senses... I really look forward to what happens next... :telephone:

First off, holy monologue.

Secondly, you deserve $$$$ back... At LEAST 25% for that miscarriage of professionalism.

Shocking.

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#16 Chip_Unsure

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:32 AM

That service is terrible, however this is the part that is almost the most concerning


1045AM
Driver - one shaft and one head
Fairway - two shafts and one head
Iron - one shaft and 3 heads
Wedge - Hi Toe 60 only (no chip shots, bunkers, or rough)


That is NOT a FITTING, that is a demo!  You could walk into any half decent golf store, anywhere in the world and get close to that level of “fitting”.  Either they fit you perfectly first go, or they didn’t give a sh!t…. I’ve been to a fitting where we hit a good result on irons almost immediately, then spent the next hour on various other head/ shaft combo’s to prove the initial result was spot on.

I’d be demanding the fitting feel back and I would not have even considered placing an order off of that experience.

I truly feel for you given the travel commitment of time and money.

Of course I’d give TM the chance to somehow make right the situation, but just refunding the fitting fees does not even come close.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:48 AM

OP that is horrible. I also hope to see some resolution for this.

 pierso2, on 10 August 2018 - 09:09 AM, said:

Wow what a terrible fitting! I worked as a club fitter at PGA superstore for a bit and I'd think even our worst fitter would still have given you a better setup and at least you wouldn't have been out the money for the fitting itself!

I did a custom order M4 earlier this year and they messed it up royally too. Sad to see TM go downhill so quickly with their custom order process. That'll lose a ton of customers for them! Just goes to show buying off the rack and then picking up shafts and tweaking on your own is actually better.

Hope you enjoyed your time here in the states aside from the fitting!
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#18 North Butte

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:17 AM

Sounds a lot bizarre to me.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:41 AM

TaylorMade’s CS is abysmal since they broke away from Adidas. I tried to contact them multiple times over a few week period and received no response. I finally gave up and ordered a bunch of equipment from another OEM. What else can you do?
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 02:36 PM

As they say: Nuts and Bolts, Nuts and Bolts, you got screwed.

Livin' proof that Lefties are not naturally talented.

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#21 magnus7319

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 03:01 PM

Ask for a refund. That’s bush league. Put them on blast. Put this out on FB and IG etc. Their customer service might suck these days but no company likes a review this negative out on social media. Squeaky wheel and all that...
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 03:23 PM

Yeah, social media is a powerful customer service tool. I hate that because I do like their product, but makes me think twice about ordering anything direct. Callaway is hard to beat for customer service.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 03:31 PM

Bob Parsons would never allow this to happen.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 04:22 PM

I'd be filing a complaint with your credit card company. You didn't get what you paid for.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 04:25 PM

 magnus7319, on 10 August 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

Ask for a refund. That’s bush league. Put them on blast. Put this out on FB and IG etc. Their customer service might suck these days but no company likes a review this negative out on social media. Squeaky wheel and all that...


Better Business Bureau complaint has always worked for me. I just ordered some clubs from TM and when I called a couple times to ask for the status they seemed more than happy to help. Maybe one of those outlier situations but obviously needs to be corrected.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:37 PM

 cardia10, on 10 August 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

Yeah, social media is a powerful customer service tool. I hate that because I do like their product, but makes me think twice about ordering anything direct. Callaway is hard to beat for customer service.

Callaway’s great in that they don’t mind fixing their mistakes.  Bought a 7-iron set of XR’s from them that showed up with three different shafts, incorrect grips and missing an iron.  They happily fixed it but you wonder how it happened to begin with.

If I’d flown halfway around the world for service like the OP got, I’d cancel everything, dispute the credit card charge and play a different brand.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 07:05 PM

I would blast them on social media and send other companies the link with an opportunity to remedy TMs mistakes and show you how a company can get it right! Could have been an awesome experience which makes it that much worse. If you walk into big box you don’t expect the world but it doesn’t cost the world either.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 07:18 PM

It bugs me that we always hear " get fit ". I did it and paid for it twice. It was a horrible experience each time.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 07:24 PM

 C-rad, on 10 August 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

It bugs me that we always hear " get fit ". I did it and paid for it twice. It was a horrible experience each time.
This kinda stuff is the reason I'll probably always play off the rack.
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Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:17 PM

What should have a been a trip and experience of a lifetime turned into a bit of a nightmare, so sorry to read your post. I have often thought about making a lengthy trip similar to yours but your experience certainly makes me question that.
I know reading peoples experiences on here there have been some truly memorable (for the right reasons) fitting sessions, and the odd bad experience mixed in.

Hope it all gets worked out for you.

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