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#1 ADB

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:21 PM

So since purchasing a new set of 718 AP1's, Ive now played nearly a dozen rounds. Ive had far more inconsistent iron play than I can ever recall. My first round with them was decent but since its been very erratic. I hit alot of thick shots, or low sometimes balls that push. When I do hit one well its got good distance but those are not nearly as common. Today I experimented by playing the front 9 with the AP1's than at the turn went back to the truck and swapped my Ping G5 back in. It was like night and day, suddenly the ball flight was straigher and far more consistent. Yes, the Titleist are nearly 1.5 clubs longer but the erratic ball flight is ruining my game. Looks like I will simply take my lumps, clean em up and trade in the AP1's for cash. Had this happen once many years ago after switching from a set of TM Burners to Callaway X14. I never could hit the Callway consistently and gave up. I simply couldnt reproduce my demo experience at demo day.


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:22 PM

I'm betting very different shafts. Probably much lighter in the AP1 than the G5.

Or at least your description of the problem sound exactly like me when I try irons with too light (under about 95 or 100 grams) shafts in them.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:26 PM

I was in the same boat when I first got my set of AP1s (714s)
Hated them. Tried to sell them, but no takers so I stuck with them.

After a season and a half with them now I love them.

I think my biggest issue was going from something that was even more game improvement, to the AP1s, which though they're still considered SGI or GI, still required me to put a better swing on the ball than what I was used to with my old Adams irons. The Adams were so damn forgiving that I didn't have to worry about making a solid swing - they'd go regardless. Not so much with the AP1s.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:32 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 09 August 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

I'm betting very different shafts. Probably much lighter in the AP1 than the G5.

Or at least your description of the problem sound exactly like me when I try irons with too light (under about 95 or 100 grams) shafts in them.

Seems to always be the case for me.  Anytime I try using lighter or heavier shafts than what I'm used to, or when the swingweight varies enough, it will feel like I've never played golf before.
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:34 PM

View PostADB, on 09 August 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

So since purchasing a new set of 718 AP1's, Ive now played nearly a dozen rounds. Ive had far more inconsistent iron play than I can ever recall. My first round with them was decent but since its been very erratic. I hit alot of thick shots, or low sometimes balls that push. When I do hit one well its got good distance but those are not nearly as common. Today I experimented by playing the front 9 with the AP1's than at the turn went back to the truck and swapped my Ping G5 back in. It was like night and day, suddenly the ball flight was straigher and far more consistent. Yes, the Titleist are nearly 1.5 clubs longer but the erratic ball flight is ruining my game. Looks like I will simply take my lumps, clean em up and trade in the AP1's for cash. Had this happen once many years ago after switching from a set of TM Burners to Callaway X14. I never could hit the Callway consistently and gave up. I simply couldnt reproduce my demo experience at demo day.
Same shafts from the demo day to what you have? Did you check the lies checked.. the lofts.. etc?

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:42 PM

View Posttobiasjd, on 09 August 2018 - 01:32 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 09 August 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

I'm betting very different shafts. Probably much lighter in the AP1 than the G5.

Or at least your description of the problem sound exactly like me when I try irons with too light (under about 95 or 100 grams) shafts in them.

Seems to always be the case for me.  Anytime I try using lighter or heavier shafts than what I'm used to, or when the swingweight varies enough, it will feel like I've never played golf before.

I played for my first good many years with 130g Dynamic Gold shafts. Way too heavy for me but I'd imagine in a pinch I could get used to them now.

But the really light ones, it's like you say. I literally can't figure out where the bottom of the club is relative to the ground. It's like a flashback to my first summer taking up the game. Anywhere from a total whiff to hitting six inches behind the ball. It's a crazy feeling.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:29 PM

Sorry to hear. I can’t believe it’s the club though.  The shaft possibly could be the issue though as others have such. My experience has been the opposite.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:35 PM

Get some G400s!
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:37 PM

View PostJoelsim, on 09 August 2018 - 02:35 PM, said:

Get some G400s!

Alright. Somebody had to say it ;-)
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:39 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 09 August 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

View PostJoelsim, on 09 August 2018 - 02:35 PM, said:

Get some G400s!

Alright. Somebody had to say it ;-)

I’d put money on that being the right thing to do though!

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:42 PM

The G5 may have a shaft around 103 to 108 grams, played a set 4 years ago.
Moved to the S58, rebuilt those, had similar weight stafts, and just average for me after 18 months!

From then on i used 115 to 125 gram, now dg r300 at 120/121 grams. Love em.
You may have an 85 gram shaft in the AP1, look for a set of XP105 or similar.
NS Pro in 110 gram also.
Then get Lie Test on the setup.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 03:08 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 09 August 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

I'm betting very different shafts. Probably much lighter in the AP1 than the G5.

Or at least your description of the problem sound exactly like me when I try irons with too light (under about 95 or 100 grams) shafts in them.
The G5 has CS Lite R Flex 95 gram shaft.....the AP1's R Flex 93 gram shatf. No real different but.......the AMT Red shatf is ascending mass shaft so it gets heavier as you go from 4-PW

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 03:10 PM

View PostRogerinNewZealand, on 09 August 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

The G5 may have a shaft around 103 to 108 grams, played a set 4 years ago.
Moved to the S58, rebuilt those, had similar weight stafts, and just average for me after 18 months!

From then on i used 115 to 125 gram, now dg r300 at 120/121 grams. Love em.
You may have an 85 gram shaft in the AP1, look for a set of XP105 or similar.
NS Pro in 110 gram also.
Then get Lie Test on the setup.

I NEVER criticise AP1's.......... was on top of a hill 160m out a few years ago,
and the AP1 player next too me lobbed the ball to 5 feet from the pin !
I know when to bee impressed and shut up !!
The G5 has a CS Lite 95 gram shaft while the AMT Red shaft in the AP1 is 93 grams ascending mass as you move through the iron set. The AP1 irons also have a narrow sole with less bounce. I think maybe thse differences are the reason for the erratic play in my hands!

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 03:10 PM

Yeah, ascending mass and all it's not a heck of a lot different.

Must be something else.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 05:04 PM

I just moved from AP1 714 w XP 95 Reg steel to AP1 718 w Tensi graphite stiff. Have played about six rounds so far and the good has outweighed the bad. Moved from 98 gram to 68 gram shaft so feel is different.

I do hit them higher and farther but not quite as straight as steel yet. I do expect to love them.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 07:05 PM

Well I just sold them on Ebay. Got back most of my money seeing as how I got them at $200 discount from Golf Galaxy originally. For now I will go back to my G5's. A friend on mine has a barely used set of Ping G30's. I am gonna give them a whirl and see how they compare.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 07:08 PM

View PostADB, on 09 August 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

Well I just sold them on Ebay. Got back most of my money seeing as how I got them at $200 discount from Golf Galaxy originally. For now I will go back to my G5's. A friend on mine has a barely used set of Ping G30's. I am gonna give them a whirl and see how they compare.

Wow. If they can’t cut the mustard then cut ‘em loose. Well done!


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 09:07 PM

Bingo and ditto !!  I wanted to love the Ap1 irons but they were no better than my Hogan Apex Edge irons from 2001.  I switched to Mizzy MX25 irons and loved the feel, but distance sucked. Finally found the miraculous Ping G25 irons—real distance with regular lofts, but the big benefit was tight dispersion.  Crazy good. The G30s have jacked lofts and longer shafts but are still supposed to be awesome. Good luck!
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 10:17 PM

6 rounds in to 716 APQs from Eye 2s. Went to stiff flex. Shot 5 rounds in the 79s which I have never done. Last night Not so good. Walked twilight in the heat and never scored it but I woukd guess bogey at best. I hit 718s and struggled at the pro shop


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 06:34 PM

That isn’t too bad at all. Stick with them. Big improvement over Eye 2s, which I love (in my heart, not on the course any longer).  I have other variables, such as bad wrists, age, and Swing Amnesia— shooting 81 one day and 93 the next...How the hell did I forget my 81 swing in one day???  For me, the G25 irons add to my game and swing.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:16 PM

View PostTim Schoch, on 09 August 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

Bingo and ditto !!  I wanted to love the Ap1 irons but they were no better than my Hogan Apex Edge irons from 2001.  I switched to Mizzy MX25 irons and loved the feel, but distance sucked. Finally found the miraculous Ping G25 irons—real distance with regular lofts, but the big benefit was tight dispersion.  Crazy good. The G30s have jacked lofts and longer shafts but are still supposed to be awesome. Good luck!
Well after some real thoughtful evaluation I decided to stick with my G5's. Heck they have been good for so long...sure a newer iron liek the G30 or G might be a bit longer, maybe tighter dispersion but is it really worth the money. I ended up investing in 2 new wedges. Cleveland CBX 50 and 54 degree.

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:04 AM

View PostADB, on 10 August 2018 - 09:16 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 09 August 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

Bingo and ditto !!  I wanted to love the Ap1 irons but they were no better than my Hogan Apex Edge irons from 2001.  I switched to Mizzy MX25 irons and loved the feel, but distance sucked. Finally found the miraculous Ping G25 irons—real distance with regular lofts, but the big benefit was tight dispersion.  Crazy good. The G30s have jacked lofts and longer shafts but are still supposed to be awesome. Good luck!
Well after some real thoughtful evaluation I decided to stick with my G5's. Heck they have been good for so long...sure a newer iron liek the G30 or G might be a bit longer, maybe tighter dispersion but is it really worth the money. I ended up investing in 2 new wedges. Cleveland CBX 50 and 54 degree.

I think G or G400 would be the first real, significant leap forward from your G5’s. Not so much G25 or G30 in my opinion.

Those CBX wedges look great to me and a buddy of mine switched to them a few months ago and loves them.
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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:13 AM

View PostNorth Butte, on 11 August 2018 - 06:04 AM, said:

View PostADB, on 10 August 2018 - 09:16 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 09 August 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

Bingo and ditto !!  I wanted to love the Ap1 irons but they were no better than my Hogan Apex Edge irons from 2001.  I switched to Mizzy MX25 irons and loved the feel, but distance sucked. Finally found the miraculous Ping G25 irons—real distance with regular lofts, but the big benefit was tight dispersion.  Crazy good. The G30s have jacked lofts and longer shafts but are still supposed to be awesome. Good luck!
Well after some real thoughtful evaluation I decided to stick with my G5's. Heck they have been good for so long...sure a newer iron liek the G30 or G might be a bit longer, maybe tighter dispersion but is it really worth the money. I ended up investing in 2 new wedges. Cleveland CBX 50 and 54 degree.

I think G or G400 would be the first real, significant leap forward from your G5’s. Not so much G25 or G30 in my opinion.

Those CBX wedges look great to me and a buddy of mine switched to them a few months ago and loves them.

G25s revolutionized the G line. Totally different club than the G20, similar to the G400, which I do not like as much.
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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:35 AM

View PostADB, on 10 August 2018 - 09:16 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 09 August 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

Bingo and ditto !!  I wanted to love the Ap1 irons but they were no better than my Hogan Apex Edge irons from 2001.  I switched to Mizzy MX25 irons and loved the feel, but distance sucked. Finally found the miraculous Ping G25 irons—real distance with regular lofts, but the big benefit was tight dispersion.  Crazy good. The G30s have jacked lofts and longer shafts but are still supposed to be awesome. Good luck!
Well after some real thoughtful evaluation I decided to stick with my G5's. Heck they have been good for so long...sure a newer iron liek the G30 or G might be a bit longer, maybe tighter dispersion but is it really worth the money. I ended up investing in 2 new wedges. Cleveland CBX 50 and 54 degree.

Even though I love my AP1s , I admire your decision.
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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:57 AM

... Different folks and different strokes. I have been saying for years now since teaching full time, that we should all play the most forgiving irons we can effectively play. Personally, I aways try to push that envelope and often effectively gets me when I go too forgiving. About 7 years ago I tried to add 3 irons and replace my hybrids and picked up AP1 and AP2 3irons and did some testing on the range and at the course. I really wanted to go with the AP1's but they launched too high for me and I did not care for the feel while the AP2 had an ideal launch and while not the best feeling iron, it felt better than the AP1. Now id the performance was better with the AP1 I would not care about feel, but if the same an of course in this case the performance was worse for me with the AP1, feel can make a difference in my decision.

... I gave my AP1 to a mid index friend that was playing AP2's and it is still in his bag and he loves it as it replaced one of his hybrids. He uses it off the tee several times a round and although he has replaced his AP2's he has kept the AP1. Different strokes worked for the different folk this time.

Cobra F8 ... Even Flow Blue 65s
Cobra F8 15* ... Even Flow Blue 75s
Exotics CBX Iron Wood 17* ... HZRDUS Black 85hy
TaylorMade RBZ Tour 21.5* Altus 85hys
4-pw TaylorMade P790 Recoil Prototype 95's
SM6 52* F Grind /SM7 D Grind 58* ... Recoil 110s
Bobby Grace 6330 at 33"

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#26 Tim Schoch

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:17 PM

I went through a similar evaluation as you and it is interesting how each player has a personal preference for clubs. It is great actually. Definitely worth a player’s time to experiment to find their ideal club set.  For me, I have found that a lot of older quality clubs perform just as well if not better than today’s strange looking clubs.
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TaylorMade Burner driver 10.5* REAX reg graphite
TaylorMade Burner 3-wood 15* REAX reg graphite
Adams Idea A12 #4 Hybrid 21* VTS Proforce reg graphite
Ping G25 Blue Dot 5-P, graphite reg
Titleist Vokey SM6 56/14 and 60/10
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#27 memphishorn

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 08:53 PM

Update on my progression with my new AP1 718's.

Played in two match play matches last weekend. Hit 13 and 11 greens respectively with an Ace on a 140 yd par 3 with the 8 iron. Liking them better every round.
Titleist 915 D2 10.5* Diamana Blue 60 Regular
Titleist 915F 15*Diamana Blue 70 Regular
Titleist 904F 19* YS6 Stiff
Titleist 910 Hybrid 24* and 27* Kali Regular
Titleist AP1 718 6-GW1 Tensei Graphite Stiff
Vokey 52.08 SM6, 56.14 SM6
Scotty Cameron Newport Classic Gun Blue

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MacGregor MT Tourney 1967 WM2T 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Persimmon w/ Aluminum Insert
MacGregor MT Tourney 1971 Split Sole irons 3-10
MacGregor VIP 1967 Sand Iron
Ping Anser 1969 85020
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