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#61 RH82

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:41 PM

Just curious on how you guys got the wedges early?


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:53 PM

View PostRH82, on 23 August 2018 - 09:41 PM, said:

Just curious on how you guys got the wedges early?

Me too!

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 10:09 PM

View PostYepyukon, on 23 August 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

RTX-4 review: I have played the RTX-3's since they came out and have loved the playability of them, especially around the greens. I have a 50*, 56* (bent to 55*), and 60* in the black finish all 2 dot/mid bounce. They are shafted with a PX 6.0 steel shaft. My carry distance is 50*-110, 55*-95, 60*-75 on full swings. I am putting the RTX-4's into play with the same lofts, bounce, and finish but with the stock DG TI shaft. I am a digger/driver and can take a beaver pelt of a divot while playing if I am not careful, so the V-Sole and bounce are my friend.

Looks: They are sharp. I love the new look of the 4's and the reduced offset is nice, but nothing that jumps out at you (even when holding them together). The stock shaft of the DG Tour Issue shaft is a nice complement and allowed me to flight my shots when needed. The writing and stamping on the head really blends well together and does not look overly busy. The V-Sole seems to be greatly removed/toned-down on my 50* and 60* but the 55* is roughly the same.

Spin: This is where the 4 is going to outshine the 3 all day long, IMO. I loved the spin I got from the 3. I could stop it where I wanted or back it up, but occasionally I would catch one that just spun like crazy or didn't spin as much as I had hoped. Given, I only have 1 round with the 4's in the bag, that was not an issue today. If I needed it to stop, it did. If I expected it to spin a little more or less, it did. Out of the thick rough, you could feel the ball grab the face and really gave me the confidence that I could still control the distance and spin.

Bunker: This is where I will struggle for a bit I think. I am a decent bunker player but I failed to get up and down twice today from easy-ish spots after taking too much sand. I tend to use my 60* out of most bunkers but might practice a bit with my 55* due to the reduction of the sole. It could have just been a bad day from the bunkers though so I will keep working with that.

Full shot: These felt great from the fairway. The 3's I always felt were a little dead off the face. While that I not neccessarily a bad thing, it didn't give the feedback that I could instantly tell it was struck pure or slightly off center. The 4's are a different animal. Again, it could be the shaft change or the head, or a combination of both, but they felt great and really responsive when struck.

Around the green: I only hit a few shots from around the green as I tend to use my PW or 8i and get the ball on the ground most of the time. I did have one shot today from 50yds that I was able to control the flight and spin really well and a few other shots where I was short sided in fringe/rough. You can really feel the ball come off the face with spin, even on short shots. I really like the V sole on my 50 RTX-3 and wish it was the same on the 4's, but I think I can get used to it. I tend to stray away from using my 60 off any tight lie unless I need to so I didn't have that shot today to compare.

Overall: I think people that did not like the RTX-3 will really like this wedge. Likewise, I think that people that liked the RTX-3's will also like this wedge, but maybe not a full set or at least a different bounce/dot configuration from what they are used to. The spin is amazing and they are really easy to flight. The feel might be the best improvement for me on full shots. I have never been one to play a PW outside of the set make up but these will make me think of getting a 46 to match. I can see these making a pretty big splash on the wedge market.

Attachment face.jpgAttachment vsole.jpg

Wow the vsole looks reduced quite a bit on the 4s.  Not sure I like that part of it but will see..
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Posted 23 August 2018 - 10:21 PM

View PostRH82, on 23 August 2018 - 09:41 PM, said:

Just curious on how you guys got the wedges early?

Don't know about the other guys, but being a Srixon/Cleveland hard goods account, they offered us a program to get the wedges early so that we could try them out and know about them with real world experience prior to official launch.

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Posted 24 August 2018 - 10:16 AM

Damn the Vsole does look cut down a ton on those pics. I love the current vsole on my 50, just not my 54 or 60.

Ideally I would like a 2 dot 45/50, full sole 54, and low/Xlow 60.

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Posted 24 August 2018 - 11:00 AM

After my first round with these I can say that I'm really impressed.  i have always played high bounce wedges.  I don't know if you have heard this or not... but in Seattle.. it rains.  Most of the year the ground is really soft.  This has led me to play high bounce wedges.  However, I really use my wedges around the green and dont take many full shots with anything higher than my gw.  After playing around with the xlow, I can say that my Hi Toe might be in trouble.  I only used it out of the sand once today, but there wasnt any digging and the wedge made it through just fine.  I'll need a lot more practice out of the sand before I'm as comfortable with it as I am with the Hi-Toe though.  Around the greens the xlow was excellent.  I did a lot of chipping with the 54 and 58.  The 54 is the same bounce as my current 54 so not much a difference there.  However there seems to be significantly more spin.  After reading another review above mine I made sure to throw darts at the pin instead of aiming to have my ball roll out.  I'm glad I did.  For my higher chips there was barely any run.  Spin and trajectory were both easy to manipulate today.

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Posted 24 August 2018 - 07:11 PM

View PostMrFlapjack, on 23 August 2018 - 10:09 PM, said:

View PostYepyukon, on 23 August 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

RTX-4 review: I have played the RTX-3's since they came out and have loved the playability of them, especially around the greens. I have a 50*, 56* (bent to 55*), and 60* in the black finish all 2 dot/mid bounce. They are shafted with a PX 6.0 steel shaft. My carry distance is 50*-110, 55*-95, 60*-75 on full swings. I am putting the RTX-4's into play with the same lofts, bounce, and finish but with the stock DG TI shaft. I am a digger/driver and can take a beaver pelt of a divot while playing if I am not careful, so the V-Sole and bounce are my friend.

Looks: They are sharp. I love the new look of the 4's and the reduced offset is nice, but nothing that jumps out at you (even when holding them together). The stock shaft of the DG Tour Issue shaft is a nice complement and allowed me to flight my shots when needed. The writing and stamping on the head really blends well together and does not look overly busy. The V-Sole seems to be greatly removed/toned-down on my 50* and 60* but the 55* is roughly the same.

Spin: This is where the 4 is going to outshine the 3 all day long, IMO. I loved the spin I got from the 3. I could stop it where I wanted or back it up, but occasionally I would catch one that just spun like crazy or didn't spin as much as I had hoped. Given, I only have 1 round with the 4's in the bag, that was not an issue today. If I needed it to stop, it did. If I expected it to spin a little more or less, it did. Out of the thick rough, you could feel the ball grab the face and really gave me the confidence that I could still control the distance and spin.

Bunker: This is where I will struggle for a bit I think. I am a decent bunker player but I failed to get up and down twice today from easy-ish spots after taking too much sand. I tend to use my 60* out of most bunkers but might practice a bit with my 55* due to the reduction of the sole. It could have just been a bad day from the bunkers though so I will keep working with that.

Full shot: These felt great from the fairway. The 3's I always felt were a little dead off the face. While that I not neccessarily a bad thing, it didn't give the feedback that I could instantly tell it was struck pure or slightly off center. The 4's are a different animal. Again, it could be the shaft change or the head, or a combination of both, but they felt great and really responsive when struck.

Around the green: I only hit a few shots from around the green as I tend to use my PW or 8i and get the ball on the ground most of the time. I did have one shot today from 50yds that I was able to control the flight and spin really well and a few other shots where I was short sided in fringe/rough. You can really feel the ball come off the face with spin, even on short shots. I really like the V sole on my 50 RTX-3 and wish it was the same on the 4's, but I think I can get used to it. I tend to stray away from using my 60 off any tight lie unless I need to so I didn't have that shot today to compare.

Overall: I think people that did not like the RTX-3 will really like this wedge. Likewise, I think that people that liked the RTX-3's will also like this wedge, but maybe not a full set or at least a different bounce/dot configuration from what they are used to. The spin is amazing and they are really easy to flight. The feel might be the best improvement for me on full shots. I have never been one to play a PW outside of the set make up but these will make me think of getting a 46 to match. I can see these making a pretty big splash on the wedge market.

Attachment face.jpgAttachment vsole.jpg

Wow the vsole looks reduced quite a bit on the 4s.  Not sure I like that part of it but will see..

They are. I am going to have to get used to these for a few shots but I think they will work. I might go higher bounce for my mid wedge and go 50, 58, 60 since I rarely hit full shots with my 55 as it is. That should help with bunker shots or when I need to explode out.
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Posted 24 August 2018 - 08:21 PM

I have played 3 rounds with the XLOW 58 Raw and the 54 Mid Raw.
Great wedges. Feel so good and spin is very good.
Put them on your must try list.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:32 PM

I've played two rounds now with these in 50,54,58 degree.  They spin great from the rough or fairway and have a great feel.  Off center hits performed better that expected.  Went with the full bounce option on the 58 and love it out of the sand.  Looking forward to playing these for the next year or so.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 02:13 PM

Currently playing the 52/mid, 56/mid, 60/low and have 2.5 rounds on them.  I'd agree with everything that's been said so far: superior look (especially at address) than the 3's, s400 feels like a great shaft choice, v-sole is less pronounced in the mid-grind, etc.  If you're looking for new wedges, then these are a must try.  Personally, I was deciding between the new sm7's or the rtx 4's.  Either choice would've been great but I'm very happy with the rtx 4's and the performance I'm getting out of them.  

I'm playing in the PNW where fairways and greens can be super firm one weekend then swamp-like the next.  As far as choosing bounce/grind options goes, the mid-bounce 52 and 56 did great in both conditions.  Extremely versatile as advertised.  The low-bounce was great off firm/tight lies and was surprisingly good off soggy damp conditions as well.  If you're a halfway decent wedge player, then don't hesitate to give the low-bounce a try.  Very easy to open up for little flop shots around the green or close the face for a 50-ish yard pitch.  

On a side note, these wedges also blend in nicely with my z765 irons.  If you like any of the z irons lineup, then these wedges will appeal to you as well.


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Posted 28 August 2018 - 08:36 AM

Just seen UK specs. Full sole only available on 56/58/60. And S400 as standard shaft? Must have got a job lot off TT. Waaay too stiff and heavy for club players. Bet they will be getting  a lot of custom orders for lighter and softer shafts.

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 09:21 AM

Based on the looks and the few reviews so far, I think I'm going to have to try a 60 Low.
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Posted 28 August 2018 - 11:07 AM

View Postelwhippy, on 28 August 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

Just seen UK specs. Full sole only available on 56/58/60. And S400 as standard shaft? Must have got a job lot off TT. Waaay too stiff and heavy for club players. Bet they will be getting  a lot of custom orders for lighter and softer shafts.

S400 is the most popular wedge shaft in the world. Its also 4-5grams heavier and equal stiffness to a s200/s300. Youll see more people pleased this is offered stock than not

Custom orders are easy enough too. Its a great initiative to offer ti s400 stock though
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Posted 28 August 2018 - 12:20 PM

The bounce options make me sad.  Higher = better ...

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 12:33 PM

View PostFullOfBrushMan, on 28 August 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

The bounce options make me sad.  Higher = better ...

You obviously know your game much better than I, so YMMV.  However, I used to play ALL high bounce wedges.  I'm really liking the xlow 58*.  Don't discount the mids or lows until youve tried them.

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 12:39 PM

View Postblink3665, on 28 August 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

View PostFullOfBrushMan, on 28 August 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

The bounce options make me sad.  Higher = better ...

You obviously know your game much better than I, so YMMV.  However, I used to play ALL high bounce wedges.  I'm really liking the xlow 58*.  Don't discount the mids or lows until youve tried them.
Listen, I agree on the 58-60 maybe being a bit low but 3* of bounce is way too low for me.  I think my 60 with 6 is a bit too low and I can hit flops all day with that thing.  Easier to take bounce off than put it back on ...

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 12:41 PM

What are the bounce specs for each offering?
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Posted 28 August 2018 - 04:13 PM

I thought the s400 was basically just more consistent in weight and the wedge flex could sort of be all over the place? Looks like Im wrong on that, if so, what is the difference?
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Posted 28 August 2018 - 05:21 PM

Please remove any BST or WTB from this thread.  Otherwise it will get shut down.

Edited by blink3665, 28 August 2018 - 05:21 PM.

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 06:54 PM

View PostKonklifer, on 28 August 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

What are the bounce specs for each offering?

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 08:36 PM

Anyone compare the 56* full and mid bounce? I’m torn between which one to go with.

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 08:55 PM

 RH82, on 30 August 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

Anyone compare the 56* full and mid bounce? Im torn between which one to go with.

I saw the full range today at a local golf shop. I wasnt able to demo the clubs. Based on the grinds, Ill be buying a 56* Full and bending it to 55*.
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Posted 31 August 2018 - 04:20 AM

 jclinegolf, on 30 August 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

 RH82, on 30 August 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

Anyone compare the 56* full and mid bounce? I'm torn between which one to go with.

I saw the full range today at a local golf shop. I wasn't able to demo the clubs. Based on the grinds, I'll be buying a 56* Full and bending it to 55*.
any views on ease of use of the full on full swing fairway shots....tempted for sand and rough, but wondering about sole on fairway...

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 02:11 PM

 blink3665, on 28 August 2018 - 05:21 PM, said:

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 02:18 PM

 RH82, on 30 August 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

Anyone compare the 56* full and mid bounce? I’m torn between which one to go with.
I had a chance to play around with the bounces. On full-swing shots, I didn't really notice a difference. If you were talking about a 50 or 52*, I would say either works. When you're opening club face on shots around the green or on bunker, which I would use my 56* with, I felt ever so slightly that the leading edge looked lower on mid-bounce. Probably a bit psychological and Cleveland marketing efforts working ... but I went with the mid bounce on my 56.

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 03:19 PM

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 05:32 PM

 Morry, on 31 August 2018 - 04:20 AM, said:


any views on ease of use of the full on full swing fairway shots....tempted for sand and rough, but wondering about sole on fairway...

Full shots from a 54/10 mid were outstanding. Heavy mid trajectory ball flight with plenty of spin.

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 07:36 AM

I noticed the mid and full have the same bounce? So the full would have a larger sole?

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Posted 09 September 2018 - 06:24 AM

 Spooky67, on 02 September 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

 Morry, on 31 August 2018 - 04:20 AM, said:

any views on ease of use of the full on full swing fairway shots....tempted for sand and rough, but wondering about sole on fairway...

Full shots from a 54/10 mid were outstanding. Heavy mid trajectory ball flight with plenty of spin.
appreciated, but was asking about the Full sole rather than the mid
wondering about the interaction of the new Full sole
thanks


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