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#1 drptehachapi

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Posted 27 July 2018 - 04:48 PM

Is keeping score overrated sometimes?

Edited by drptehachapi, 27 July 2018 - 05:07 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2018 - 08:54 PM

When using old clubs, yeah.
When using my new stuff, no.
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 10:01 PM

 dcopp7, on 27 July 2018 - 08:54 PM, said:

When using old clubs, yeah.
When using my new stuff, no.
If I had new clubs I probably would. My friends let me know my score from time to time...only if they win. Lol

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 06:17 AM

I still keep score when using the old clubs.  I like demonstrating to myself how little my scores change when i pull out the lumber.   :)
The Ever Changing Bag!

Driver:  Ram persimmon, TW805, Precision 6.5, 43"  (TW801 & TW802 w/Dynamic S backups)
3w:  Golden Ram mid-80s persimmon, Precision 6.5, 42.25"
1 iron, Vibration Matched Golden Ram, DGS400
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 06:50 AM

 NRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 06:17 AM, said:

I still keep score when using the old clubs.  I like demonstrating to myself how little my scores change when i pull out the lumber.   :)

Amen to that, Brother!
It's actually hard to really show how different the score would be, but I've had rounds when I've been hitting the persimmons well and shot high 70s, then had rounds when I've been swinging the new woods well, and scored in the high seventies. Maybe one or two shots lower at most, if that.

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 07:00 AM

I play a more consistent because the pressure is off.

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 07:23 AM

 No Catchy Nickname, on 28 July 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

 NRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 06:17 AM, said:

I still keep score when using the old clubs.  I like demonstrating to myself how little my scores change when i pull out the lumber.   :)

Amen to that, Brother!
It's actually hard to really show how different the score would be, but I've had rounds when I've been hitting the persimmons well and shot high 70s, then had rounds when I've been swinging the new woods well, and scored in the high seventies. Maybe one or two shots lower at most, if that.


And on top of that....  My longest drive of 2016 was with a Ping Zing Blonde laminate.  I only played the Zing Blondes for a month to six weeks that year, not like it was one amongst a full season of lumber usage.  (edit:  autocorrect is a pain)

I've posted that before, but I think it bears repeating.  There's a line of thought that using persimmons, or even older blades, means the scores will devolve from what one might see with more modern sticks.  I don't believe that's necessarily true.  It may be, but I think it depends on each individual.

Edited by NRJyzr, 28 July 2018 - 11:13 AM.

The Ever Changing Bag!

Driver:  Ram persimmon, TW805, Precision 6.5, 43"  (TW801 & TW802 w/Dynamic S backups)
3w:  Golden Ram mid-80s persimmon, Precision 6.5, 42.25"
1 iron, Vibration Matched Golden Ram, DGS400
2-PW, 1980 Golden Ram Tour Grinds, Dynamic S
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34.5", PP58 midsize grip
             (Cleveland Huntington Beach #1 35" -or- Mizuno TPM-2, 35" as backups)
Balls:  in no particular order...  Wilson Staff FG Tour, Duo Urethane, or 50 Elite, Srixon ZStar/ZStar XV
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 07:47 AM

Enjoy the game any way you want to!
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 08:20 AM

 sdandrea, on 28 July 2018 - 07:47 AM, said:

Enjoy the game any way you want to!
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 08:22 AM

 NRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

 No Catchy Nickname, on 28 July 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

 NRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 06:17 AM, said:

I still keep score when using the old clubs.  I like demonstrating to myself how little my scores change when i pull out the lumber.   :)

Amen to that, Brother!
It's actually hard to really show how different the score would be, but I've had rounds when I've been hitting the persimmons well and shot high 70s, then had rounds when I've been swinging the new woods well, and scored in the high seventies. Maybe one or two shots lower at most, if that.


And on top of that....  My longest drive of 2016 was with a Ping Zing Blonde laminate.  I only played the Zing Blondes for a month to six weeks that year, not like it was one amongst a full season of limber usage.

I've posted that before, but I think it bears repeating.  There's a line of thought that using persimmons, or even older blades, means the scores will devolve from what one might see with more modern sticks.  I don't believe that's necessarily true.  It may be, but I think it depends on each individual.
I believe that as well


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Posted 28 July 2018 - 01:10 PM

 NRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

 No Catchy Nickname, on 28 July 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

 NRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 06:17 AM, said:

I still keep score when using the old clubs.  I like demonstrating to myself how little my scores change when i pull out the lumber.   :)

Amen to that, Brother!
It's actually hard to really show how different the score would be, but I've had rounds when I've been hitting the persimmons well and shot high 70s, then had rounds when I've been swinging the new woods well, and scored in the high seventies. Maybe one or two shots lower at most, if that.


And on top of that....  My longest drive of 2016 was with a Ping Zing Blonde laminate.  I only played the Zing Blondes for a month to six weeks that year, not like it was one amongst a full season of lumber usage.  (edit:  autocorrect is a pain)

I've posted that before, but I think it bears repeating.  There's a line of thought that using persimmons, or even older blades, means the scores will devolve from what one might see with more modern sticks.  I don't believe that's necessarily true.  It may be, but I think it depends on each individual.
I will agree 100% on the statement of it depending on the individual. i actually hit the ball and score better with classic blades because they fit my eye , I have been playing them most of my life and the feel is there for me.I do not have any feel and control with modern CBs even if they are forged. Now with the persimmons it depends on the course and the distances involved. I am not going to say I hit the persimmons as far as I do a modern metal wood. Control is about the same now that my SS has slowed. In reality since I play classic blades as my gamer set there is really no difference when I go all vintage just a different set and year of irons usually Macgregor. Instead of my cheating hybrid I carry a persimmon 4 wood and 5 wood. If I go to the forward tees on my home course I usually shoot about the same strictly vintage as I do with the bag for all seasons as Randy puts it. Now I do change up on wedges and putters between the two sets part of my fun.

Edit I will say another thing and again like you said it depends on the individual. I have a friend of mine who hits an old Eye2 Laminate 3 wood and he is long long with it. Actually his wife bought him the newest TM driver one year at Christmas. He hits that laminate 3 wood longer than he hits any modern driver. Proved it up at Golfsmith in Myrtle on the simulator. Had those guys scratching their heads. I actually had one from the old shop stock I gave him for a back up. Trust me if one hits the thrifts or used club shops in this area he snatches it up in a hurry if he sees it. I think he has as many zing and Eye2 laminate 3 woods now than I have 588 wedges

Edited by BIG STU, 28 July 2018 - 01:19 PM.

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 01:12 PM

 sdandrea, on 28 July 2018 - 07:47 AM, said:

Enjoy the game any way you want to!
My sentiments exactly and you guys have always heard me say that--- Whatever floats your boat, trips your trigger etc.
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 02:07 PM

 NRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

 No Catchy Nickname, on 28 July 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

 NRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 06:17 AM, said:

I still keep score when using the old clubs.  I like demonstrating to myself how little my scores change when i pull out the lumber.   :)

Amen to that, Brother!
It's actually hard to really show how different the score would be, but I've had rounds when I've been hitting the persimmons well and shot high 70s, then had rounds when I've been swinging the new woods well, and scored in the high seventies. Maybe one or two shots lower at most, if that.


And on top of that....  My longest drive of 2016 was with a Ping Zing Blonde laminate.  I only played the Zing Blondes for a month to six weeks that year, not like it was one amongst a full season of lumber usage.  (edit:  autocorrect is a pain)

I've posted that before, but I think it bears repeating.  There's a line of thought that using persimmons, or even older blades, means the scores will devolve from what one might see with more modern sticks.  I don't believe that's necessarily true.  It may be, but I think it depends on each individual.

Are the Zing woods easier to hit than say a Powebilt Citation? I want to play a wooden driver but sheer all I’m hitting are low heelers..

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 02:23 PM

Iíll take ^ this one, having played both considerably.
For myself, the Blonde Ping Maple Laminate fairway woods and a Persimmon Citation driver would give you the best of both worlds.
As stated before, finding a real wood to fit your game can be a frustrating experience.  But, either of these head designs are tried and true, so, which shaft suits your game better?

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 02:45 PM

I have a brand new Citation that a member here built for me about a decade ago or so. Rifle steel shaft.

It's been a few years since I swung it, but the last time I did I was only about 15-20 yards or so shorter than my then current Titleist titanium driver. People at the range were just standing there watching me hit that thing.

I need to find a set of late 80s Staff Tour Blades (to match my set of persimmons I still have) and go play some real clubs again. :D

I'm not suggesting we kill all the stupid people, I'm just suggesting we remove all the warning labels and let the situation resolve itself.

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 02:53 PM

I keep score, but either way is fine. Do whatever makes the game enjoyable.

Even if I don't write it down, I'm pretty much already aware of where I stand.
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Posted 29 July 2018 - 11:43 AM

Never kept score when I played match.
All it matters is to be one up on the opponent.

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 11:51 AM

I'm too competitive to not keep score but I've learned to wait until the end of the round to write down the scores.
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 04:18 PM

 wrmiller, on 28 July 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

I have a brand new Citation that a member here built for me about a decade ago or so. Rifle steel shaft.

It's been a few years since I swung it, but the last time I did I was only about 15-20 yards or so shorter than my then current Titleist titanium driver. People at the range were just standing there watching me hit that thing.

I need to find a set of late 80s Staff Tour Blades (to match my set of persimmons I still have) and go play some real clubs again. :D
I was cranking one of my old Pennas on the range the other day--- This one has a regular shaft in it and I think it is going to be my front line classic gamer. I was hitting it about 220 or so with a little controlled draw which is saying a lot for me. But I was hitting it solid and it had that certain whack to it. The tourist golfers were looking. Of course I got the standard comment from one. "If you had a metal driver you could really hit a ball" I told him I have several including a Homna and a 915 D-2 Titleist. " Well why are you hitting that wooden antique?" My standard answer BECAUSE I STILL CAN!!!!!!  Lots of times I throw one of the persimmon drivers in the bag when I practice. It helps my ball striking. I figure if I can hit the face reasonably good on a 300 CC persimmon then a "toaster on a stick" as Randy (OSR) puts it is a no brainer.
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 06:44 PM

 wrmiller, on 28 July 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

I have a brand new Citation that a member here built for me about a decade ago or so. Rifle steel shaft.

It's been a few years since I swung it, but the last time I did I was only about 15-20 yards or so shorter than my then current Titleist titanium driver. People at the range were just standing there watching me hit that thing.

I need to find a set of late 80s Staff Tour Blades (to match my set of persimmons I still have) and go play some real clubs again. :D

The late 80ís remakes are okay, but, if you want 80ish Wilsonís I think the fg17 would be the ticket.


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 06:57 PM

View Postoldschoolrocker, on 31 July 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

View Postwrmiller, on 28 July 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

I have a brand new Citation that a member here built for me about a decade ago or so. Rifle steel shaft.

It's been a few years since I swung it, but the last time I did I was only about 15-20 yards or so shorter than my then current Titleist titanium driver. People at the range were just standing there watching me hit that thing.

I need to find a set of late 80s Staff Tour Blades (to match my set of persimmons I still have) and go play some real clubs again. :D

The late 80's remakes are okay, but, if you want 80ish Wilson's I think the fg17 would be the ticket.

I never hit any of the remakes, but yea I think a nice set of FG-17s might do it.

I don't know if I can put a good enough swing on them anymore, but it would be fun to try.
I'm not suggesting we kill all the stupid people, I'm just suggesting we remove all the warning labels and let the situation resolve itself.

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Posted 01 August 2018 - 12:51 PM

I still keep score, but I don't sweat the score if it isn't great. I play more for enjoyment than competition.

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 11:50 PM

It drives my wife nuts that i all ways take score. I think there was one round last years with out getting my crayon out to scribble a number down. Maybe next time out with the classics i won't scribble anything down?
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Posted 07 August 2018 - 04:30 AM

I almost always play by myself amd I keep score mostly as a measurement of my progress. Sometimes if the day is particularly lousy I will start playing practice shots, etc as the round becomes a practice round.

Tracking score (in relation to par like +1, E, -1, -2, etc) fairways and greens in regulation, and putts helps me to stay focused. When the round is over the card goes in the trash. I haven't created a spreadsheet yet. Maybe next season.

Fixation on score however can be detrimental as I have learned this year. There seems to be a delicate balance between wanting to enjoy the round and wanting to always be improving. Scores go in waves and cycles, and so much depends on mental preparations, mood, personal problems, health, conditioning, diet, and equipment. Better to roll with the changes and accept that there will be rounds that are just stupidly easy and others that are just plain stupid.

I am trying to find that balance, as I am suffering from instructional information overload. But in general I have been treating every alone round as a quasi-practice round in preparation for the times when I play with a partner(s). So far results are mixed...

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:47 AM

View PostDcohenour, on 07 August 2018 - 04:30 AM, said:

I almost always play by myself amd I keep score mostly as a measurement of my progress. Sometimes if the day is particularly lousy I will start playing practice shots, etc as the round becomes a practice round.

Tracking score (in relation to par like +1, E, -1, -2, etc) fairways and greens in regulation, and putts helps me to stay focused. When the round is over the card goes in the trash. I haven't created a spreadsheet yet. Maybe next season.

Fixation on score however can be detrimental as I have learned this year. There seems to be a delicate balance between wanting to enjoy the round and wanting to always be improving. Scores go in waves and cycles, and so much depends on mental preparations, mood, personal problems, health, conditioning, diet, and equipment. Better to roll with the changes and accept that there will be rounds that are just stupidly easy and others that are just plain stupid.

I am trying to find that balance, as I am suffering from instructional information overload. But in general I have been treating every alone round as a quasi-practice round in preparation for the times when I play with a partner(s). So far results are mixed...

I can relate D.  In the ongoing effort to improve ball striking, often have to many swing thoughts rolling around in my head while attempting to play.  Do this, try that, take away on a certain plane, extension, etc.  To the point that I became a basket case and cannot execute.  "Instructional information overload".  When this occurs, have to perform a mental reset.  Purge all swing thoughts and "Just hit the damn ball".  A line that Big Stu infamously dropped while I was chattering on about swing planes and related swing things some time ago.  And he was exactly right.  

All of us have enough basic understanding of what is required to hit a golf ball.  No doubt there are changes that can be made to execute more effectively.  And it's a good thing to try and work on improvements.  But I'm also a believer that sometimes, we should clear our heads of such thoughts and let our innate natural abilities take over.  Because over thinking creates tension, and tension is not good thing when it comes to striking a golf ball.  Let it flow and just hit the damn ball.  Chase it down and try to do it better with the next swing.

Which sort of leads into the premise of this thread.  Playing classic clubs and score.  Playing classic wood and blade is exclusively a solo endeavor.  By preference.  No performance pressure placed on myself because there is no one there to observe.  Just myself, out on a course, trying to utilize clubs that are likely beyond my skill set.  To hit the singular, "Oh yeah! That's pretty sweet" good shot.  Then attempting to do it again.  Score becomes a meaningless concept.  As I'm not playing for score as a chronicler of how well I may be performing.  I can see how well a singular shot was executed.  How well a hole was played out.  Without needing to write down a number as a means of validation.  

And that's how I approach playing classic wood and blade.  Try and make each shot a good one.  If not, then the next one.  Play each hole as an entity onto itself.  Not as a continuum of 18, with a number at the end that denotes whether it was a successful endeavor.  Find it rather liberating.  Remember the good shots, the well struck ball with persimmon, the iron shot from afar that finds the green, the hole that may have been par'd.  All the not so good ones are quickly forgotten.  No pressure.  Who am I trying to impress with whatever golfing abilities I may possess?  There to enjoy myself.  Have fun with it.  No expectations, therefore no disappointments.  

FWIW and as always, YMMV.

Edited by Fellaheen51, 07 August 2018 - 05:54 AM.

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#26 Dr. Block

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 12:52 PM

View PostNRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

View PostNo Catchy Nickname, on 28 July 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

View PostNRJyzr, on 28 July 2018 - 06:17 AM, said:

I still keep score when using the old clubs.  I like demonstrating to myself how little my scores change when i pull out the lumber.   :)

Amen to that, Brother!
It's actually hard to really show how different the score would be, but I've had rounds when I've been hitting the persimmons well and shot high 70s, then had rounds when I've been swinging the new woods well, and scored in the high seventies. Maybe one or two shots lower at most, if that.


And on top of that....  My longest drive of 2016 was with a Ping Zing Blonde laminate.  I only played the Zing Blondes for a month to six weeks that year, not like it was one amongst a full season of lumber usage.  (edit:  autocorrect is a pain)

I've posted that before, but I think it bears repeating.  There's a line of thought that using persimmons, or even older blades, means the scores will devolve from what one might see with more modern sticks.  I don't believe that's necessarily true.  It may be, but I think it depends on each individual.

I find I am much more consistent with the old equipment. I manage my game and the course much better. I think it makes golf a lot more fun. You can really get back to the art of playing golf again when distance stops being an obsession. I don't think about flying bunkers, cutting dog-leg corners, or blasting short irons at tucked pins with the classic equipment.  I think about shaping shots and where my miss will leave me.  I might not shoot lower scores with the old gear, but I certainly don't have as many scorecard killing holes or stretches of holes.

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