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Ban Green-Reading Books?

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 07:08 PM


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Posted 28 November 2018 - 02:28 PM

Who in the hell let those cheating books into the pro game in the first place......moron

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 10:17 PM

View PostgatorMD, on 22 November 2018 - 06:00 PM, said:

any update on this?
http://www.usga.org/...ation-final.pdf

i used one of these today and man i thought it was actually very helpful.....

it seems like they're going to allow them but in a smaller scale

https://www.golfchan...its-green-books

l limit images of greens to a scale of 3/8 inch to 5 yards (1:480), and books can be no larger than 4 1/4 inches by 7 inches (pocket-sized). The interpretation also bans the use of magnification devices beyond normal prescription glasses.
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Posted 29 November 2018 - 12:06 AM

View PostCreedo77, on 28 November 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

View PostgatorMD, on 22 November 2018 - 06:00 PM, said:

any update on this?
http://www.usga.org/...ation-final.pdf

i used one of these today and man i thought it was actually very helpful.....

it seems like they're going to allow them but in a smaller scale

https://www.golfchan...its-green-books

l limit images of greens to a scale of 3/8 inch to 5 yards (1:480), and books can be no larger than 4 1/4 inches by 7 inches (pocket-sized). The interpretation also bans the use of magnification devices beyond normal prescription glasses.
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Posted 29 November 2018 - 03:40 AM

I think handmade ones that don't compute exact hole location fall lines are ok, when they publish a whole new set of maps for each day of the tournament as the holes change, that's going too far.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 05:47 PM

View PostA.Princey, on 29 November 2018 - 03:40 AM, said:

I think handmade ones that don't compute exact hole location fall lines are ok, when they publish a whole new set of maps for each day of the tournament as the holes change, that's going too far.

they dont make new books for each day.

the books dont indicate hole locations either
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Posted 29 November 2018 - 06:30 PM

View PostCreedo77, on 29 November 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

View PostA.Princey, on 29 November 2018 - 03:40 AM, said:

I think handmade ones that don't compute exact hole location fall lines are ok, when they publish a whole new set of maps for each day of the tournament as the holes change, that's going too far.

they dont make new books for each day.

the books dont indicate hole locations either

They certainly do, on both counts.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 06:34 PM

Yeah, they have books with red lines near the hole indicating straight putts to the particular hole location, indicating which sides of the hole have putts that will remain within the cup width if struck solid and straight.
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Posted 29 November 2018 - 07:59 PM

View PostOutBackHack, on 29 November 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

View PostCreedo77, on 29 November 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

View PostA.Princey, on 29 November 2018 - 03:40 AM, said:

I think handmade ones that don't compute exact hole location fall lines are ok, when they publish a whole new set of maps for each day of the tournament as the holes change, that's going too far.

they dont make new books for each day.

the books dont indicate hole locations either

They certainly do, on both counts.

sorry, complete brain fart, mine was for Sunday of the event I was in.

Last year at the same event they only gave out one book (might have been for the members at the club to purchase) and that didnt have the hole locations

Edited by Creedo77, 29 November 2018 - 08:14 PM.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 08:00 PM

View PostA.Princey, on 29 November 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

Yeah, they have books with red lines near the hole indicating straight putts to the particular hole location, indicating which sides of the hole have putts that will remain within the cup width if struck solid and straight.


the one i have has the actual circle to indicate the hole location for that day....no signs of any red lines on mine

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 08:09 PM

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 08:09 PM

"Yours", are you on tour?? The one Johnny Miller was showing during a broadcast a couple years back did.

Edited by A.Princey, 29 November 2018 - 08:13 PM.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 08:13 PM

View PostA.Princey, on 29 November 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

"Yours", are you on tour?? The one Johnny Miller was showing during a broadcast a few years back did.

I worked the quicken loans this summer at my local course where I caddie.

I didnt need one as I know the greens well, but the woman in charge of giving them out for the week offered them to the caddies who didnt purchase one ($150) before the event started to get feedback from us.

Now, as I'm looking at the one I got two years ago there are more defined lines on that one. The one I got this summer is more generic ie not as many lines on the greens to the one from 2017.

Although, looking at a buddies from Shinnecock there are the red lines (along with black) you're talking about.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 09:24 PM

I am OK with yardage books because they provide information that is able to be determined without special technology. If needed, the yardage can be paced off manually, with the exception of carries over water, etc. I am OK with green books that have information that the player and/or his caddie has prepared by manual observation such as, rolling balls on the green, notes from previous rounds played, Aimpoint, etc.

I do NOT, in any way, believe that green reading books prepared using technology or equipment that provides information that can not be discernable by normal human perception should be allowed. Those type books remove what I feel is a necessary skill from the game. Walking off a yardage takes no special skill, just patience. Slope enabled lasers or anemometers (wind measuring devices) are not allowed for the same reason.
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Posted 29 November 2018 - 10:34 PM

View Postclublender, on 26 July 2018 - 05:03 PM, said:

Bryson DeChambeau ran into some trouble recently using a compass on the course. Then Golfweek recently broke the story that beginning January 1, 2019, green-reading books may be outlawed on tour. What should pros be allowed to use to assist their game and what should be banned? Green-reading books? Pin-placement maps? Rangefinders? Carts? Compasses? What's integral to the game and what is just a tool, like a sand wedge, a golf bag and a caddy? Can a golfer use a computer to calculate the best path to sink a putt?

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 12:42 AM

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 08:20 AM

View PostJohnnypenso, on 29 November 2018 - 12:06 AM, said:

View PostCreedo77, on 28 November 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

View PostgatorMD, on 22 November 2018 - 06:00 PM, said:

any update on this?
http://www.usga.org/...ation-final.pdf

i used one of these today and man i thought it was actually very helpful.....

it seems like they're going to allow them but in a smaller scale

https://www.golfchan...its-green-books

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:27 PM

Yardage charts are fine and have been around for years . The green reading books take it a step too far . The skill of reading the greens is part of the game and should remain so . So therefore in my way of thinking the green books should be banned .
In fact I would ban yardage charts and let the pros use rangefinders .

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 12:48 PM

I like the idea of allowing lasers (no slope) and removing green books.

This is totally my opinion. I like the idea of less prep time in between shots. This obviously will not guarantee that but I think would be a good compromise.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 10:48 AM

Have you seen https://www.strackaline.com/#/

I was amazed, if it isn't cheating I don't know what is.  Golf is supposed to be played from your skills, Oops, I forgot, we're growing the game.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 09:07 PM

I realize I'm repeating myself, but...

So what publicly-available information can be documented and referenced, and what can't?
I'm trying to figure out where to draw the line. No one has helped me draw it.

Using publicly-available information isn't cheating, IMO. Since we have better methods of gathering that data economically, it now can't be used?
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Posted 02 December 2018 - 10:52 PM

View Postyouraway2, on 02 December 2018 - 10:48 AM, said:

Have you seen https://www.strackaline.com/#/

I was amazed, if it isn't cheating I don't know what is.  Golf is supposed to be played from your skills, Oops, I forgot, we're growing the game.

i use one of these stracka yardage books on a course i caddie at....a few greens dont break the way the book says

The tour sherpa books that the tour uses are much better
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