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Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:27 PM

Wow, I didn't see the MGS article prior to my most recent post.  Like I've said, I've seen breakages with many models (Graffaloy, Aldila, Mitsubishi Rayon, True Temper Dynamic Gold) but the MGS info, along with the tour player info (prior to that my only knowledge was of the Senden break among tour players) it definitely raises some cause for concern.  I didn't have any issues in my fitting, but I still haven't actually received my shaft to put into play yet. Last I knew it was in route from Switzerland.

It would be interesting to see if TPT offers some sort of warranty on shafts sold as long as they're installed by a professional fitter, and what the time frame for that might be if someone like Jason Day keeps his shafts on a pitch count.

Scottaz, once I get the shaft I'll let you know about the feel and if there's anything specific, where again are you guys having your breaks? I'll snap some photos to see if there's anything that can be noticed.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:29 PM

View Postscottaz, on 04 December 2018 - 12:17 PM, said:

I think the MGS article was interesting and accurate. TPT is onto something that is working incredibly well. You just can't argue with the wins on tour and great results so many are seeing after being properly fit.

It'll be interesting to see if they can figure this out and gain players trust.

After my fitting with Jon, I asked Eric if his shaft felt a bit lumpy around where our breaks were taking place. Mine does for sure. His didn't. But it feels different there than the rest of the shaft and wasn't there in the others I've had. Let me know if you can feel it when it comes swgolf12.  

It's been cold here and I've been playing a lot. It's the best shaft I've played. I can't say I'm optimistic but it's too good to leave out of the bag. My playing partners take cover when I'm up. :russian_roulette:  .

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I would say the MGS article is quite fair given the results.  
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At this point them seem to be committed to figuring things out.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:35 PM

View Postswgolf12, on 04 December 2018 - 12:27 PM, said:

Wow, I didn't see the MGS article prior to my most recent post.  Like I've said, I've seen breakages with many models (Graffaloy, Aldila, Mitsubishi Rayon, True Temper Dynamic Gold) but the MGS info, along with the tour player info (prior to that my only knowledge was of the Senden break among tour players) it definitely raises some cause for concern.  I didn't have any issues in my fitting, but I still haven't actually received my shaft to put into play yet. Last I knew it was in route from Switzerland.

It would be interesting to see if TPT offers some sort of warranty on shafts sold as long as they're installed by a professional fitter, and what the time frame for that might be if someone like Jason Day keeps his shafts on a pitch count.

Scottaz, once I get the shaft I'll let you know about the feel and if there's anything specific, where again are you guys having your breaks? I'll snap some photos to see if there's anything that can be noticed.

My breaks were about 4-8" up from the tip. But what I'm feeling is higher up and most of the way down to the tip. The shaft changes looks right around where I'm feeling it.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:45 PM

View Postscottaz, on 04 December 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

View Postswgolf12, on 04 December 2018 - 12:27 PM, said:

Wow, I didn't see the MGS article prior to my most recent post.  Like I've said, I've seen breakages with many models (Graffaloy, Aldila, Mitsubishi Rayon, True Temper Dynamic Gold) but the MGS info, along with the tour player info (prior to that my only knowledge was of the Senden break among tour players) it definitely raises some cause for concern.  I didn't have any issues in my fitting, but I still haven't actually received my shaft to put into play yet. Last I knew it was in route from Switzerland.

It would be interesting to see if TPT offers some sort of warranty on shafts sold as long as they're installed by a professional fitter, and what the time frame for that might be if someone like Jason Day keeps his shafts on a pitch count.

Scottaz, once I get the shaft I'll let you know about the feel and if there's anything specific, where again are you guys having your breaks? I'll snap some photos to see if there's anything that can be noticed.

My breaks were about 4-8" up from the tip. But what I'm feeling is higher up and most of the way down to the tip. The shaft changes looks right around where I'm feeling it.

When it's a design flaw the breaks normally happen at a point where the manufacturer is trying to make the shaft flex.  This is going back years ago so I don't remember if it was the Matrix Code or the XCon but they kept breaking a little below the grip.  I was a certified fitter with them and they told me flat out that they're breaking right where they are trying to make the shaft bend during the swing.  It was a stiff butt section that transitioned to a softer mid section and the breaks were occurring right at the transition point.

The fine line a shaft design walks is trying to use super stiff and thin material because that super stiff material is brittle breaks much more easily than materials that are less stiff.  Think of it like a fishing pole's ability to bend vs. a golf shaft's ability to bend.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:48 PM

The .06% failure rate TPT is reporting can't possibly be accurate. Maybe it was a typo by MGS? Counting only the breaks I am personally aware of, they would have had to produce roughly 25,000 shafts in 2018 alone for that number to hold.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:52 PM

View PostRonSwanson, on 04 December 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

The .06% failure rate TPT is reporting can't possibly be accurate. Maybe it was a typo by MGS? Counting only the breaks I am personally aware of, they would have had to produce roughly 25,000 shafts in 2018 alone for that number to hold.

I don't believe it was a typo.  I seem to remember Sinclair saying something similar when I was with him.  I don't want to put words in Jon's (or anyone's mouth) but I was told a very small number of shafts were failing.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:56 PM

View Postebrasmus21, on 04 December 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

View PostRonSwanson, on 04 December 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

The .06% failure rate TPT is reporting can't possibly be accurate. Maybe it was a typo by MGS? Counting only the breaks I am personally aware of, they would have had to produce roughly 25,000 shafts in 2018 alone for that number to hold.

I don't believe it was a typo.  I seem to remember Sinclair saying something similar when I was with him.  I don't want to put words in Jon's (or anyone's mouth) but I was told a very small number of shafts were failing.

That's actually a big percentage of failures in manufacturing.  Most manufacturing companies look for  < .00034% failure rate so between 3 and 4 per million and TPT is at 6 per ten thousand if that number is correct.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:03 PM

View Postdelmer, on 04 December 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

View Postebrasmus21, on 04 December 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

View PostRonSwanson, on 04 December 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

The .06% failure rate TPT is reporting can't possibly be accurate. Maybe it was a typo by MGS? Counting only the breaks I am personally aware of, they would have had to produce roughly 25,000 shafts in 2018 alone for that number to hold.

I don't believe it was a typo.  I seem to remember Sinclair saying something similar when I was with him.  I don't want to put words in Jon's (or anyone's mouth) but I was told a very small number of shafts were failing.

That's actually a big percentage of failures in manufacturing.  Most manufacturing companies look for  < .00034% failure rate so between 3 and 4 per million and TPT is at 6 per ten thousand if that number is correct.

Well, as time goes on it seems more and more to me that the problem keeps rearing its ugly head.  

I also believe in what Sinclair told me...  TPT is trying to blaze a trail into a completely new process.  It's bound to be problematic at first - I guess then problem then becomes when is it just too much.
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 01:11 AM

Let's just reiterate PITCH COUNT by Jason Day. That's insane in a shaft I don't know what to say about that. That's gotta be fixed.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 05:33 AM

I recently hit the MKP-MT-16/15 and LKP-LT-16/15. I didn’t like either. I swing it around 113/114 avg and I was swinging significantly slower with the TPT stuff. Also, spin went way up. Not my thing, but it’s good to see that they are working for a lot of y’all. Hope they fix the breaking problem.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 11:20 AM

This is about the only time I am glad to have a slower swing. I ain’t breaking no shaft at 88 mph!
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 11:47 AM

View Postdelmer, on 04 December 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

View Postebrasmus21, on 04 December 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

View PostRonSwanson, on 04 December 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

The .06% failure rate TPT is reporting can't possibly be accurate. Maybe it was a typo by MGS? Counting only the breaks I am personally aware of, they would have had to produce roughly 25,000 shafts in 2018 alone for that number to hold.

I don't believe it was a typo.  I seem to remember Sinclair saying something similar when I was with him.  I don't want to put words in Jon's (or anyone's mouth) but I was told a very small number of shafts were failing.

That's actually a big percentage of failures in manufacturing.  Most manufacturing companies look for  < .00034% failure rate so between 3 and 4 per million and TPT is at 6 per ten thousand if that number is correct.
This. Came in here to chime in as a...I'll say semi expert in six sigma and lean manufacturing principals (have green & black belt), .06% failure is pretty bad... but it's a catostrophic failure at that.

Would you buy a car that every 6 in 10,000 units made had a wheel fall off whilst highway driving, considering that specific car model had sold say 3 million units? I wouldn't want to risk being one of the 1800 cars on the road just waiting to crash in to oncoming traffic or whatever could result from a total failure.

Luckily breaking a golf shaft doesn't result in possible death, but it's pretty brutal if you spent $500 on the shaft and $400 on the head and you send you head flying down the fairway after snapping a shaft, possibly breaking the head... it could hurt somebody, etc.

The Jday swing count is just insane. I would not buy one of these until that issue was resolved.
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 12:50 PM

Has anyone seen anything on social media about TPT's plans to fix these issues?  Seems like it would be a great opportunity to invite the public into the company and allow us to see the how, when, what of making the shafts better and better.
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 12:53 PM

View Postebrasmus21, on 05 December 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

Has anyone seen anything on social media about TPT's plans to fix these issues?  Seems like it would be a great opportunity to invite the public into the company and allow us to see the how, when, what of making the shafts better and better.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 04:28 PM

View Post03trdblack, on 05 December 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

View Postebrasmus21, on 05 December 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

Has anyone seen anything on social media about TPT's plans to fix these issues?  Seems like it would be a great opportunity to invite the public into the company and allow us to see the how, when, what of making the shafts better and better.

Looks like they are logged in reading this thread right now.

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Yes, the feedback of the GolfWRX Community is very important to us!

Two years ago, very few people were aware of TPT Golf and how we had adapted our parent company’s technology to golf shafts after its success in other high-performance industries. We know what we’ve achieved since is incredibly rare and comes with both notoriety and scrutiny. We embrace all of it.

Our company has never been more convinced of the merits of our patented shaft manufacturing technology. We believe that our automated, robot-driven process is the future of golf shaft manufacturing, and we say this because of the measurable improvement golfers across the world are seeing with our shafts.

It’s true that a small number of our shafts have broken over the last year. This issue has not been related to our technology, but rather our execution as we’ve scaled to meet growing demand. We know that any shaft breakage is unacceptable, and we’ve investigated each incident thoroughly. We’ll always keep evolving, improving, and responding with the necessary changes to improve our shafts just like we’ve done over the last two decades in other industries.  

We also want our customers to know that we stand behind every golf shaft we make, and we will always replace a customer’s shaft should there ever be an issue.

Going forward, we’re going to continue to improve our current shaft lineup and bring innovation to new shaft categories. Our Authorized Fitters (retailers) are sticking with us because they know the power of our technology, and our products will be available to test on their walls.

In our experience, golfers will never turn their back on something that can help them save a few strokes. We promise to continue to deliver golf shafts that allow them to do exactly that.

Thank you all for your continued participation in this discussion.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:06 AM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 05 December 2018 - 11:47 AM, said:

View Postdelmer, on 04 December 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

View Postebrasmus21, on 04 December 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

View PostRonSwanson, on 04 December 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

The .06% failure rate TPT is reporting can't possibly be accurate. Maybe it was a typo by MGS? Counting only the breaks I am personally aware of, they would have had to produce roughly 25,000 shafts in 2018 alone for that number to hold.

I don't believe it was a typo.  I seem to remember Sinclair saying something similar when I was with him.  I don't want to put words in Jon's (or anyone's mouth) but I was told a very small number of shafts were failing.

That's actually a big percentage of failures in manufacturing.  Most manufacturing companies look for  < .00034% failure rate so between 3 and 4 per million and TPT is at 6 per ten thousand if that number is correct.
This. Came in here to chime in as a...I'll say semi expert in six sigma and lean manufacturing principals (have green & black belt), .06% failure is pretty bad... but it's a catostrophic failure at that.

Would you buy a car that every 6 in 10,000 units made had a wheel fall off whilst highway driving, considering that specific car model had sold say 3 million units? I wouldn't want to risk being one of the 1800 cars on the road just waiting to crash in to oncoming traffic or whatever could result from a total failure.

Luckily breaking a golf shaft doesn't result in possible death, but it's pretty brutal if you spent $500 on the shaft and $400 on the head and you send you head flying down the fairway after snapping a shaft, possibly breaking the head... it could hurt somebody, etc.

The Jday swing count is just insane. I would not buy one of these until that issue was resolved.

If it was clearly the best for my swing it wouldn't bother me knowing the company had my back on the customer service end. My question would be if the shaft failed a year or two down the line, what would the customer service be like in terms of addressing it? In my life, I have only ever had 1 shaft fail on me (stock R7ti 3 wood TM Shaft) and it was getting replaced anyways so I ultimately didn't care.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:29 AM

^^^ After 2 years of use I really don't hold anyone too responsible for any issues I have.  Then again most people on here rarely play the same equipment for 2 years.

Nice to see TPT staying in front of any issues.  These forums can be a little unforgiving at times.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:58 AM

View Posttptgolf, on 05 December 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

View Post03trdblack, on 05 December 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

View Postebrasmus21, on 05 December 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

Has anyone seen anything on social media about TPT's plans to fix these issues?  Seems like it would be a great opportunity to invite the public into the company and allow us to see the how, when, what of making the shafts better and better.

Looks like they are logged in reading this thread right now.

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Yes, the feedback of the GolfWRX Community is very important to us!

Two years ago, very few people were aware of TPT Golf and how we had adapted our parent company’s technology to golf shafts after its success in other high-performance industries. We know what we’ve achieved since is incredibly rare and comes with both notoriety and scrutiny. We embrace all of it.

Our company has never been more convinced of the merits of our patented shaft manufacturing technology. We believe that our automated, robot-driven process is the future of golf shaft manufacturing, and we say this because of the measurable improvement golfers across the world are seeing with our shafts.

It’s true that a small number of our shafts have broken over the last year. This issue has not been related to our technology, but rather our execution as we’ve scaled to meet growing demand. We know that any shaft breakage is unacceptable, and we’ve investigated each incident thoroughly. We’ll always keep evolving, improving, and responding with the necessary changes to improve our shafts just like we’ve done over the last two decades in other industries.  

We also want our customers to know that we stand behind every golf shaft we make, and we will always replace a customer’s shaft should there ever be an issue.

Going forward, we’re going to continue to improve our current shaft lineup and bring innovation to new shaft categories. Our Authorized Fitters (retailers) are sticking with us because they know the power of our technology, and our products will be available to test on their walls.

In our experience, golfers will never turn their back on something that can help them save a few strokes. We promise to continue to deliver golf shafts that allow them to do exactly that.

Thank you all for your continued participation in this discussion.

This response, as well as the MSG response as it is mostly word for word copy, reads like a customer service bot.

Although, the offer to become part of the TPT internal testing program to evaluate prototypes that was extended to the MSG guys is notably missing...
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:56 AM

View PostRonSwanson, on 06 December 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

View Posttptgolf, on 05 December 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

View Post03trdblack, on 05 December 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

View Postebrasmus21, on 05 December 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

Has anyone seen anything on social media about TPT's plans to fix these issues?  Seems like it would be a great opportunity to invite the public into the company and allow us to see the how, when, what of making the shafts better and better.

Looks like they are logged in reading this thread right now.

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Two years ago, very few people were aware of TPT Golf and how we had adapted our parent company’s technology to golf shafts after its success in other high-performance industries. We know what we’ve achieved since is incredibly rare and comes with both notoriety and scrutiny. We embrace all of it.

Our company has never been more convinced of the merits of our patented shaft manufacturing technology. We believe that our automated, robot-driven process is the future of golf shaft manufacturing, and we say this because of the measurable improvement golfers across the world are seeing with our shafts.

It’s true that a small number of our shafts have broken over the last year. This issue has not been related to our technology, but rather our execution as we’ve scaled to meet growing demand. We know that any shaft breakage is unacceptable, and we’ve investigated each incident thoroughly. We’ll always keep evolving, improving, and responding with the necessary changes to improve our shafts just like we’ve done over the last two decades in other industries.  

We also want our customers to know that we stand behind every golf shaft we make, and we will always replace a customer’s shaft should there ever be an issue.

Going forward, we’re going to continue to improve our current shaft lineup and bring innovation to new shaft categories. Our Authorized Fitters (retailers) are sticking with us because they know the power of our technology, and our products will be available to test on their walls.

In our experience, golfers will never turn their back on something that can help them save a few strokes. We promise to continue to deliver golf shafts that allow them to do exactly that.

Thank you all for your continued participation in this discussion.

This response, as well as the MSG response as it is mostly word for word copy, reads like a customer service bot.

Although, the offer to become part of the TPT internal testing program to evaluate prototypes that was extended to the MSG guys is notably missing...

Well since both this thread, and MGS article bring up the same issues, it would make sense to have a similar response, no?  I'd imagine that the WRX members that were selected here are part of that internal testing program, that didn't seem to have been previously extended to the MGS community. Some of the MGS employees had hit them, but I don't believe they were offered to members, as they were here.

What do you want the response to read like? They addressed why they're having issues, and that they're committed to getting it right. Only time will tell if they can fix their issues, but they've been pretty forward with everything going on, which you can't say about some companies when they run into issues.
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#320 RonSwanson

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 12:56 PM

View Postswgolf12, on 06 December 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

Well since both this thread, and MGS article bring up the same issues, it would make sense to have a similar response, no?  I'd imagine that the WRX members that were selected here are part of that internal testing program, that didn't seem to have been previously extended to the MGS community. Some of the MGS employees had hit them, but I don't believe they were offered to members, as they were here.

What do you want the response to read like? They addressed why they're having issues, and that they're committed to getting it right. Only time will tell if they can fix their issues, but they've been pretty forward with everything going on, which you can't say about some companies when they run into issues.

I'm not intending to be a hater. Some people who's opinion I trust and value have had great things to say about the performance of the TPT. Even saying it's the best performing shaft they have ever played. It's really the only reason I'm sure I'll test one at some point next season.

As far as the TPT response post, I'll just leave it at this, it is not what I expected given the company's current predicament, the audience and the various reasons they have previously attributed to the breaks.

As you are one of the testers here, I'll be interested in your results and the durability of the 14.5 (proto?) you're getting given your speed to burn and the laundry list of shafts you have previously broken.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:10 PM

I truly believe that TPT will stand behind their product and replace any damaged shaft, but who is going to replace the driver head  IF it's damaged due to the shaft breakage??
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:18 PM

View PostWHC888, on 06 December 2018 - 01:10 PM, said:

I truly believe that TPT will stand behind their product and replace any damaged shaft, but who is going to replace the driver head  IF it's damaged due to the shaft breakage??

That's my concern.
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