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#1 Cowabunga

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:20 PM

I seem to finally be coming inside and not early extending, however the expense is that my hips are spinning out of control. Would you guys agree? Or is this ok? Any drills appreciated!

https://youtu.be/1_aXHLMp8cQ

https://youtu.be/OuAnY4Jda7w

Edited by Cowabunga, 13 July 2018 - 09:25 PM.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 04:08 AM

Show some videos with the ball...swing changes much when hitting
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#3 Cowabunga

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 06:45 AM

View Postrusty04, on 14 July 2018 - 04:08 AM, said:

Show some videos with the ball...swing changes much when hitting


By holding my back, and specifically my hands, to the target and letting my core pull the arms through has really helped to come inside and stay in posture.

I'm curious if at some point I need to make the arms active, or stall out the hips. Right now my arms are completely dead weight with no activation.

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 08:39 AM

This sounds like hooks, blocks, flipping, getting stuck waiting to happen.  Have to speed up the arms.  Not sure why you'd ever want your arms to be dead weight with no activation.

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:57 AM

This is over exaggerating hip turn.  Right now, the hips are leaving the upper body behind and are not connected.  Get the right elbow to fall in front of the right hip and then turn through.

Also, clean up that right foot footwork.  The heel needs to lead the tow instead of spinning out on it.  More of a rolling motion.

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:33 AM

You need to be hitting a ball, too easy to swing different when there is no result.

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 08:23 PM

You are lucky to be so flexible but the amount of strain you are putting on your spine is imho very risky.  You are also going to risk injuring your lead knee too because rather than keeping the weight pressure on the inside of the lead foot in the mid-late downswing and bracing over an extending lead leg , the foot has already turned over the outside and your knee is way outside the left foot. You might need someone to guide you on how to swing rhythmically in balance and without strain.

Here is a video by Shawn Clement that might provide you with some 'feel drills' using heavy tools to get your pivot, weight shift. rhythm and balance all in synch.


Edited by WILDTHING, 14 July 2018 - 08:41 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 08:47 AM

Swing looks a bit loose, but with pretty good fundamendals, imo. You could improve your transition somewhat. By starting the lower body a split hair before the upper body, hands and club head has completed the back swing. Study Fowler’s trhythm and transition in that regard...

Also, you could tighten up a few nuts and bolts.

I disagree with those who oppose to the hands behind dead weight, it’s a good thing imo. But use your trail hand to brace the connection between lead arm and shoulder. Use it to place your hands where the pivot gets max leverage.

IMO you’re on the right track here.

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 07:18 AM

View PostWILDTHING, on 14 July 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

You are lucky to be so flexible but the amount of strain you are putting on your spine is imho very risky.  You are also going to risk injuring your lead knee too because rather than keeping the weight pressure on the inside of the lead foot in the mid-late downswing and bracing over an extending lead leg , the foot has already turned over the outside and your knee is way outside the left foot. You might need someone to guide you on how to swing rhythmically in balance and without strain.

Here is a video by Shawn Clement that might provide you with some 'feel drills' using heavy tools to get your pivot, weight shift. rhythm and balance all in synch.



Thanks for the reply, I'm looking forward to checking out that video during my lunch break.

You are very astute with your observation, I give you credit. I'm already experiencing pain along my spine. Some nights I'll wake up and have trouble rolling over in bed. At first I thought it was from lifting something heavy at work, but my doctor confirmed that due to the area I'm having pain, it's not from lifting but from golf.

It looks like I'll certainly abandon the swing motion of trying to keep the back/hands turned as long as possible until the hip turn forces them to move. That forced restriction was a bad idea. Unfortunately it seemed the only way for me to to keep from early extending, and the easiest way for me to get the club to come from the inside/shallow without me just letting my arms fall before I start my rotation, which feels like it won't generate much power (though I may be wrong).

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 07:24 AM

View PostLefthook, on 15 July 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

Swing looks a bit loose, but with pretty good fundamendals, imo. You could improve your transition somewhat. By starting the lower body a split hair before the upper body, hands and club head has completed the back swing. Study Fowler's trhythm and transition in that regard...

Also, you could tighten up a few nuts and bolts.

I disagree with those who oppose to the hands behind dead weight, it's a good thing imo. But use your trail hand to brace the connection between lead arm and shoulder. Use it to place your hands where the pivot gets max leverage.

IMO you're on the right track here.

Thanks for the reply! I'll try to start the lower body a little sooner. The instructor I've been taking lessons from has me feeling like I let my arms fall after they reach the top of the backswing before I start my lower body. To get the club more inside, I am supposed to let them fall longer. I think that has slowed down when my transition starts.


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 07:25 AM

View Postbogeypro, on 14 July 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

This is over exaggerating hip turn.  Right now, the hips are leaving the upper body behind and are not connected.  Get the right elbow to fall in front of the right hip and then turn through.

Also, clean up that right foot footwork.  The heel needs to lead the tow instead of spinning out on it.  More of a rolling motion.

This is what the Pro I have been taking lessons from is telling me as well. To let the arms fall before you turn. The issue I have is figuring out timing, I still seem to struggle with it. I'll keep working, and try the right elbow move you suggested.

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 07:26 AM

Not a pro - but to me looks a lot like Monte's "68 Ballerina"

https://rebelliongol...m/68_ballerina/

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 08:43 AM

View PostStuart G., on 16 July 2018 - 07:26 AM, said:

Not a pro - but to me looks a lot like Monte's "68 Ballerina"

https://rebelliongol...m/68_ballerina/

Exactly!!

View PostStuart G., on 16 July 2018 - 07:26 AM, said:

Not a pro - but to me looks a lot like Monte's "68 Ballerina"

https://rebelliongol...m/68_ballerina/


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#14 Cowabunga

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 06:34 PM

Wild thing, I took your suggestion and looked at some Shawn Clement videos. I tried his "throwing the club" swing thought. I think it helped quiet things down a little. My apologies for not including a ball, only had a minute to run out and try it.

https://youtu.be/7-GdFYO-Y4Y

https://youtu.be/4OFDV8PW6qE

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