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#1 smeal818

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:46 PM

A little background: started playing consistently about 1 year ago and hover around 90's in terms of scoring. Lately, contact with irons has been dismal so I figured I'd upload some videos only to find out my old habit of sucking the club inside has come back full force. I've been playing solid golf (for me) up until about a month ago and shot my best 9 ever with a 40. Please note that the clubs used were either a 6 or 8 iron and in the DTL videos I tried keeping the club outside the hands, once I saw how horribly inside the first looked on video (pretty sure the first is on the channel). Any feedback is greatly appreciated as I am extremely eager to work out the multitude of issues I'm sure I have. Thanks in advance!

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#2 carrera

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 01:07 AM

Thanks for posting.  While I believe you will improve much faster working with a good pro in person, if that is not possible for $$$ reasons (or there are no good teachers near you) you will probably get some good advice here on your pivot (hip rotation is flat and minimal), overrun/overswing on backswing, grip, etc.  Consider this a bump for comments.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 01:15 AM

I'm definitely no instructor, but your lack of balance in the follow through is not optimal. The knees could be bent a little more, and feet slightly wider to engage the ground better and help with not tipping over, post-shot. The other glaring thing I noticed was your hands creep back in the takeaway before the clubhead moves at all. The hands, shaft and clubhead should move as one unit to start the backswing. Early extension as well, the shaft is perpendicular to the ground about 1-2ft before contact, forward shaft lean(basically the opposite) is optimal at impact, full extension occurring past the ball.

My first swing suggestion, totally fine if others deem it a poor one, is to reduce your backswing length by 25%, it could help reduce EE because the clubhead has less travel distance back to the ball and you'll be able to accelerate through the entire downswing instead of losing steam halfway down.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 02:17 AM

Let’s start with something simple to get things linked up better.

Bend your right elbow way later in the backswing and that will allow you to shorten the backswing some....and get the right elbow forward sooner on the downswing.

You actually end up in a semi decent spot at the top and then massively leave your arms behind in the downswing.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 02:46 AM

You have a classic, upper body dominated swing.  A little run off with the arms at the top after shoulders are done turning, and you start the down swing by unwinding from the top, instead from the lower body.  Your upper body also starts moving toward the target.  As a result of all this, the club releases early in downswing.  You've got to improve your sequencing.  Lower body needs to start unwinding BEFORE the shoulders are finished turning in the back swing.


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Posted 13 July 2018 - 07:09 AM

View Posthbgpagolfpro, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 AM, said:

You have a classic, upper body dominated swing.  A little run off with the arms at the top after shoulders are done turning, and you start the down swing by unwinding from the top, instead from the lower body.  Your upper body also starts moving toward the target.  As a result of all this, the club releases early in downswing.  You've got to improve your sequencing.  Lower body needs to start unwinding BEFORE the shoulders are finished turning in the back swing.

If he starts more with the lower body, that's going to leave his arms dragging even further behind him.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 07:12 AM

Thank you everyone for the great replies, to sum up with a couple of goals for my next range/ practice session:

1. Improve right elbow action in order to help with connection issues
2. Improve posture and flat pivot, specifically in the hips

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 07:17 AM

View Postlarrybud, on 13 July 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

View Posthbgpagolfpro, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 AM, said:

You have a classic, upper body dominated swing.  A little run off with the arms at the top after shoulders are done turning, and you start the down swing by unwinding from the top, instead from the lower body.  Your upper body also starts moving toward the target.  As a result of all this, the club releases early in downswing.  You've got to improve your sequencing.  Lower body needs to start unwinding BEFORE the shoulders are finished turning in the back swing.

If he starts more with the lower body, that's going to leave his arms dragging even further behind him.

I thought this as well, I would assume this would be valid once I fix my connection issues?

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 07:47 AM

View Postsmeal818, on 13 July 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

Thank you everyone for the great replies, to sum up with a couple of goals for my next range/ practice session:

1. Improve right elbow action in order to help with connection issues


Swing cack-handed a few times to feel that.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:22 AM

Classic 68 Ballerina move:

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You’ve got GUNS, man, use ‘em!


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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:35 AM

You’ve got to learn how to get your hands and arms synced up with your body. Start with feeling maybe a half backswing with a straight right arm and firing the arms first. This drill might help:



and this thread might help:

http://www.golfwrx.c...-pivot-in-sync/



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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:57 AM

View PostRattlesnakeRon, on 13 July 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

Classic 68 Ballerina move:

Posted Image

You’ve got GUNS, man, use ‘em!

Haha thank you, former semi-accomplished powerlifter, if only golf was as easy...

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 10:02 AM

View PostRattlesnakeRon, on 13 July 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

You've got to learn how to get your hands and arms synced up with your body. Start with feeling maybe a half backswing with a straight right arm and firing the arms first. This drill might help:



and this thread might help:

http://www.golfwrx.c...-pivot-in-sync/

I would imagine I developed the 68 ballerina in an effort to fix OTT. Thanks a bunch for the feedback, definitely going to work on some half swings.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 10:12 AM

View Postsmeal818, on 13 July 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

View PostRattlesnakeRon, on 13 July 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

You've got to learn how to get your hands and arms synced up with your body. Start with feeling maybe a half backswing with a straight right arm and firing the arms first. This drill might help:



and this thread might help:

http://www.golfwrx.c...-pivot-in-sync/

I would imagine I developed the 68 ballerina in an effort to fix OTT. Thanks a bunch for the feedback, definitely going to work on some half swings.

Think of your torso as the hub of a bicycle wheel, and your arms as spokes. The spokes have to move faster than the hub as they’re further from the center.

The only “loose” body part is your wrists, which allow the club shaft to lag behind. In the still frame above, your hands should be about 3 feet further in front of your body, fully extended and pointing straight ahead of your chest and club pointing 45 deg towards the target.

Don’t worry about OTT as you sync your arms up. You can change your path after you get the bigger fault fixed.

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#15 RattlesnakeRon

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 10:18 AM

View Postsmeal818, on 13 July 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

View PostRattlesnakeRon, on 13 July 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

Classic 68 Ballerina move:

Posted Image

You’ve got GUNS, man, use ‘em!

Haha thank you, former semi-accomplished powerlifter, if only golf was as easy...

Here’s where your chest and arms should be when your lower body is in that position:

Posted Image


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Posted 13 July 2018 - 10:22 AM

View PostRattlesnakeRon, on 13 July 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

View Postsmeal818, on 13 July 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

View PostRattlesnakeRon, on 13 July 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

Classic 68 Ballerina move:

Posted Image

You’ve got GUNS, man, use ‘em!

Haha thank you, former semi-accomplished powerlifter, if only golf was as easy...

Here’s where your chest and arms should be when your lower body is in that position:

Posted Image

Ron, thanks again for your help, Monte's no turn cast drill and Iteach's thread will be my bible until I get this sorted

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 11:12 AM

Listen to Monte, I had the 68 ballerina move, it actually feels really powerful because your body gets completely open and the club is coming late, BUT their no club head speed with it.  Club head speed as well as face control comes from being in sync, and you need elbow moving forward so the arms can link before you turn with the body hard.

I have tested this before with a flightscope, and the difference from that type of swing and in sync swing where arms get linked up, was close to 15 mph with my driver.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 12:14 PM

View Postjkbroker, on 13 July 2018 - 11:12 AM, said:

Listen to Monte, I had the 68 ballerina move, it actually feels really powerful because your body gets completely open and the club is coming late, BUT their no club head speed with it.  Club head speed as well as face control comes from being in sync, and you need elbow moving forward so the arms can link before you turn with the body hard.

I have tested this before with a flightscope, and the difference from that type of swing and in sync swing where arms get linked up, was close to 15 mph with my driver.

Thanks for the response, it does feel powerful, but as we all know - feel isn't real.

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 09:07 PM

Finally had a chance to get to the range, swings linked below. I tried to work on connection with the ball between forearms drill, as well as a deeper right hip by loading more into the right heel. This swing was after about 70 or so 9 to 3 type swings with wedges and short irons. Ball flight was much improved, soft draws with the occasional fat. Still noticing some arm over-swing but I know that won't be fixed in one session. Let me know what you think, thanks!

https://youtu.be/H6CRQAEEP28   - FO

https://youtu.be/05I4NQh7mu4     - DTL

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Posted Yesterday, 01:02 PM

Bump, headed to the range after work so would appreciate some more feedback before I head out. Also, booked a lesson with a very reputable guy in my area.


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Posted Yesterday, 01:28 PM

Your dtl backswing looks really good but your left shoulder is coming up and out too quickly. your left shoulder should work down and around more.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:12 PM

See the right leg lean at the top,  all good swings have this in common.  Google swing sequences and see what players all through the ages look like at the top of the swing.  Get in that position with your legs and many problems will resolve themselves.

https://www.golfdige.../20060512swings

Edited by b_f_c_99, Yesterday, 02:14 PM.


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Posted Yesterday, 02:26 PM

 sethdavidsdad, on 19 July 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

Your dtl backswing looks really good but your left shoulder is coming up and out too quickly. your left shoulder should work down and around more.

 b_f_c_99, on 19 July 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

See the right leg lean at the top,  all good swings have this in common.  Google swing sequences and see what players all through the ages look like at the top of the swing.  Get in that position with your legs and many problems will resolve themselves.

https://www.golfdige.../20060512swings

I think you guys are saying the same thing, would a feel for this be right shoulder more down & out on DS? Thanks for the input!

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Posted Yesterday, 03:21 PM

 smeal818, on 19 July 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

 sethdavidsdad, on 19 July 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

Your dtl backswing looks really good but your left shoulder is coming up and out too quickly. your left shoulder should work down and around more.

 b_f_c_99, on 19 July 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

See the right leg lean at the top,  all good swings have this in common.  Google swing sequences and see what players all through the ages look like at the top of the swing.  Get in that position with your legs and many problems will resolve themselves.

https://www.golfdige.../20060512swings

I think you guys are saying the same thing, would a feel for this be right shoulder more down & out on DS? Thanks for the input!
No, Right shoulder down will make left come up
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Posted Yesterday, 03:26 PM

 sethdavidsdad, on 19 July 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

 smeal818, on 19 July 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

 sethdavidsdad, on 19 July 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

Your dtl backswing looks really good but your left shoulder is coming up and out too quickly. your left shoulder should work down and around more.

 b_f_c_99, on 19 July 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

See the right leg lean at the top,  all good swings have this in common.  Google swing sequences and see what players all through the ages look like at the top of the swing.  Get in that position with your legs and many problems will resolve themselves.

https://www.golfdige.../20060512swings

I think you guys are saying the same thing, would a feel for this be right shoulder more down & out on DS? Thanks for the input!
No, Right shoulder down will make left come up

Ah, got it, perhaps back to the target longer as a swing thought to work with this evening?


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Posted Yesterday, 03:45 PM

Arms are still way behind. You have no chance from this position except to early extend and flip through impact. iTeach's straight arm drill should help with this.

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Posted Yesterday, 04:10 PM

If you maintain your leg structure like I posted before much of what you want to happen will occur naturally.  Look at old Arnold Palmer or Ben Hogan. Bobby Jones as well   Get in that position at the top.  Use a mirror. Good position will set your low point in front of the ball as well as keep your right shoulder from coming out an$ over.

You will hit some awful shots until your brain adjusts. Use a mirror, get it right.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:19 PM

 RattlesnakeRon, on 19 July 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

Arms are still way behind. You have no chance from this position except to early extend and flip through impact. iTeach's straight arm drill should help with this.

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Ron,

Took me a little while to get warmed up but I solely focused on iTeach's straight arm drill and wow what a difference. Really going to have to work on keeping that right elbow straighter longer in the BS but definitely have some direction now. Didn't get any videos tonight but will post next session. Thanks to everyone for their help thus far, really appreciated.

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